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Prosecutor says Farook's Apple iPhone 5c could contain name of mystery third assailant

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Prosecutor says Farook's Apple iPhone 5c could contain name of mystery third assailant
On December 2nd, when Syed Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, murdered 14 office workers in a San Bernardino office building, initial reports from eye witnesses seemed to indicate that there were three shooters involved. When police cut down the two terrorists in a hail of bullets hours later, there was a methodical search for a third person in the vicinity, but one was never found.

Yesterday, San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said that his agency hasn't been able to completely eliminate the possibility of a third shooter. The county's DA has filed papers with the court saying that the now infamous Apple iPhone 5c used by Farook, could contain the name of a third shooter. In a brief filed on Thursday in federal court, San Bernardino County District Attorney Michael Ramos mentioned a pair of 911 calls during which the callers reported that three people were involved in the attack.

While that sounds credible, the DA went so far as to claim that Farook's iPhone may be at the heart of a "lying-dormant cyber pathogen" that lies in wait, the clock ticking toward the ultimate destruction of San Bernardino's computer network. While that sounds far-fetched, it is up to the DA to try to convince the judge to force Apple to open the phone. Even the police chief admits that he hasn't heard anything about a booby-trap placed on the phone.

The government is trying to get Apple to write the special version of iOS that would be required for Apple to unlock the phone, which was given to Farook for his job with the San Bernardino Department of Health. Apple is not complying with a court order requiring it to unlock the handset and turn the information over to the feds. Apple CEO Tim Cook says that if such software ends up in the wrong hands, iPhone users around the world will be in danger of having the personal information stored on their phone, stolen by hackers.

source: NYPost

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posted on 05 Mar 2016, 10:47 11

1. Wiencon (Posts: 1721; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)


what if the only thing they will find on that phone is flappy bird?

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 11:18 1

7. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3645; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


So then, we should just abandon any search in any case. If they knew without a doubt that a third persons name was on it, they'd most likely also know his name already.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 21:47 1

52. sgodsell (Posts: 3089; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


The new name of this mystery assailant Apple iPhone should be Jack the rip off.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 12:17 1

15. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 1947; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


Then we will know, that despite being terrorist they had good taste in addictive gaming lol.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 10:48 14

2. WillieFDiaz (Posts: 110; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Jesus Christ, the FBI will say ANYTHING to get into that device wont they? It's so ridiculous at this point I gotta sit back and laugh and just roll my eyes.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 11:41 7

10. lyndon420 (Posts: 3741; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Yup. It's getting more and more ridiculous with every passing day.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 10:56 3

4. Bm888 (Posts: 390; Member since: 06 Jul 2015)


Well this is between a hard place and rock situation..

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 11:17 2

6. AlikMalix (Posts: 4860; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


I'm so tired of this story.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 11:29 4

8. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3645; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


I see valid points on BOTH sides of the argument. First, everyone wants to keep their sense of privacy, and that is NOT a bad thing in this day and age. But there are also real threats. The problem is, if Apple and other companies are willfully engineering their software to make it so that even with a valid court order no one can get to the information, that can also be a bad thing.

Up until computers, the only area that was unable to be forcibly searched was a person's mind. Now we have engineered devices that accomplish the same thing. What I fear is that if Apple continues with this, going so far as to also encrypt their cloud storage as has been reported, why would criminals and terrorists continue to use burner devices, when they can do everything they need to on a smartphone without fear of it's contents being used against them? I value my privacy, but I also value lives as well. And that's what makes this case so difficult. The people on both sides who are absolute in their beliefs are both wrong, because this isn't an issue that is black and white, and I fear that no matter which path we go down, there will be serious repercussions in the future.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 22:41 4

53. Leo_MC (Posts: 964; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


Why build cars, planes, vaccines, produce electricity, gasoline, knives, if the terrorists can use them to kill people? Why not beat the sh*t out of a person, if it's a suspect of terrorism?
Because of the human rights (or civil liberties, for us citizens).

posted on 06 Mar 2016, 07:32

64. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3645; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


I'm trying to take a middle ground, and you keep trying to suck me into an argument of extremes. And that's what I've been arguing against this whole time.

posted on 09 Mar 2016, 02:25

68. Xelief (Posts: 38; Member since: 17 Aug 2015)


Your middle ground offers no compromising solutions, so what is the point? You didn't say anything that we haven't already heard from the government or Apple.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 11:39 8

9. Trakker (Posts: 283; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


Yeah just like the government said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction only to be proven they didn't have a clue but still used that fear to take yet more freedoms away from American people.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 11:49 6

12. lyndon420 (Posts: 3741; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


And 9/11 etc. The government has been trying so hard to turn Americans into muslim racists...they're succeeding and we need to stop them now.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 12:12 3

13. Unordinary (Posts: 1023; Member since: 04 Nov 2015)


Out of 1 billion muslims, something close to 200,000,000 are muslim extremists (the ones that believe its okay to kill innocents in the name of God). Thats something hard to deal with. two. hundred. million. Especially when 3000 innocent lives were taken by hijacking and flying planes into buildings, mass shootings (France, San Bernardino, etc) . My (practically) brother is middle eastern, so don't see me as a racial discriminator. But the government feeds this fear to its people, and that statistic is something they can A) take advantage of (think Donald Drumpf) and B) people see as an issue (which it is). Hard topic.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 12:46 4

18. Trakker (Posts: 283; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


That 200 million number is insanely wrong as that's how many say they agree with killing Americans for invading and ruining their countries, but the actual number who would commit terrorist acts would be a lot smaller.
But of course the Republicans just love to exaggerate to get everyone hating the Muslims.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 13:40

25. Unordinary (Posts: 1023; Member since: 04 Nov 2015)


See. They got me.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 17:44 1

40. lyndon420 (Posts: 3741; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


It is a very hard topic indeed. My ex-wife and children are converted Muslims now and the backlash they feel in society is extreme in itself. I just have a hard time believing alot of what the government tells us through various media outlets. Has anyone looked at why these 'terrorists' are upset to begin with? Is anything being done to fix this at the ground level / source of all the hatred amongst everyone?

posted on 06 Mar 2016, 00:17

59. CosmicLion (Posts: 14; Member since: 15 Sep 2014)


Muslim racists? Islam is a religion and not a race and is the most retarded religion of all. Its not so glorious 1400 years of history is a proof. What makes you think Islam is beyond criticism? The biggest problem with a religion is not because it is violent, it is because it is stupid and for the same reason, it has to be criticized and long it may continue.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 13:09 1

22. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3218; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


no not really because when you give people 2 month head start to move that crap before going your not gonna find anything, its like announcing on cnn your gonna start attacks at 9pm, you think the enemy is not watching cnn on what you going to do next wow some people are really stupid

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 14:49 3

33. iCloud (Posts: 44; Member since: 15 May 2014)


You are exactly on point. With all this info about the iphone 5c, the terrorists have already changed their plans unless you are stating they are stupid. Whatever is on the phone is useless per your statement.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 12:13 3

14. adamvzwez (Posts: 51; Member since: 29 Mar 2015)


I live in southern california and my entire family lives in san bernardino. When the news was breaking my local news station KTLA 5 reported that three white males in military tactical gear were shooting and then in the main stream media about a week later it turns out to be 2 arabs? This is all ruse to continue the war in the middle east for oil. The only reason why the US cares about ISIS is that they own major oil fields in Syria. Plz dont be deceived by the 4th branch of the government aka the media. If someone provides me with one of those websites that allows you to turn a picture into web link i will gladly upload the screenshots.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 13:11 3

23. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3218; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


you now arabs look white as well and when your being shoot at your not gonna stop and take a selfie to make sure, adam here is a conspiracy enthusiast,

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 14:20 4

27. maherk (Posts: 3373; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


And you are nothing but an ignorant brainwashed fool.
Not one, not two, but every eyewitness and family member who talked to the media, said the exact damn thing. Even police officers declared that it was 3 white male shooters with military uniforms who broke in and started shooting. It's not conspiracy when you have the head chief of San Bernardino's police department go on CNN and every other major media outlet and say that thr suspects are 3 white males.

http://anonhq.com/san-bernardino-shooting-witnesses-claim-3-white-men-not-muslim-terror-couple-carried-attacks/

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 14:26 2

28. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


Ewwww a Nutter site.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 18:12 3

43. adamvzwez (Posts: 51; Member since: 29 Mar 2015)


you may say its a nutter site, but this "nutter site" uses very credible news sources from multiple different outlets and multiple different eye witnesses.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 20:28

49. greyarea (Posts: 166; Member since: 14 Aug 2015)


Alex jones....Do I need to say more?

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 15:37 2

36. darkkjedii (Posts: 19483; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


100% correct bro.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 18:09 2

41. adamvzwez (Posts: 51; Member since: 29 Mar 2015)


thank you for this link sir. Even tho some dont believe it and call us conspiracy theorists this website you posted is very well put together with multiple interviews from multiple people and very creditable sources and im going to share this link with my friends.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 18:10 3

42. adamvzwez (Posts: 51; Member since: 29 Mar 2015)


bruh... plz tell me ur being sarcastic XD if anything arabs look more like mexicans like myself

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 12:23

16. carlemillward (unregistered)


I think the moral of the story is: If you going to be a terrorist, the best phone you could choose is probably an Apple iPhone.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 13:14 1

24. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3218; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


they do use them remember france and spain attacks it was iphones thats why spain is fineing apple 1 million euro for not unlocking device when something like this happens

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 15:23 1

34. BobLawblaw (Posts: 272; Member since: 25 Jul 2014)


Spain attacks? I hope you're not taking about the 2004 Madrid bombing as the iPhone wasn't even around then..

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 15:27 1

35. BobLawblaw (Posts: 272; Member since: 25 Jul 2014)


And it's France who maybe suing Apple if they don't hand over encrypted data when requested.
At least get your facts right before you start spouting fear mongering s**te..

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 15:43 1

37. darkkjedii (Posts: 19483; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


It's France, ass munch.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 19:43

45. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3645; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


It's also Spain, Apple, & iPhone. The word they should've been capitalized at the beginning, thats should've been that's, fineing should've been fining, and there should've been a period at the end, and probably a couple of commas in there somewhere as well, if you want to get technical.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 14:15

26. AlikMalix (Posts: 4860; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


But do we blame Apple for making the most secure device and ecosystem?

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 19:38

44. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3645; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


See post 8. If criminals and terrorists start using their devices because their content will be inaccessible to everyone, then what? Wouldn't that be giving them a tool to carry out their acts? Like I said above, simply saying no one should have access to anyone's phone under any circumstances is no better than those saying we should automatically give up all rights to privacy.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 22:49 2

54. Leo_MC (Posts: 964; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


Shouldn't we ban encryption algorithms that can't be decrypted, programs that sweep data from hard disks, shredders and every device or method that keeps the data out of the reach of the others?

posted on 06 Mar 2016, 00:19

60. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3645; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


My point was, taking an extreme stance, either for or against encryption, isn't the way to go. If you're absolutely for encryption, you're sacrificing your privacy. If you're absolutely against encryption, you're sacrificing security.

You respond and make it sound like I said we need to sacrifice all privacy. Show me where I said that. Just because everyone is taking an extreme stance, either for or against, doesn't mean I am, and doesn't mean either are right.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 12:36 2

17. darkkjedii (Posts: 19483; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


The should hire Detective James Carter, and the great inspector Lee.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 19:53

47. roscuthiii (Posts: 2150; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


The real ones (Chris Tucker/Jackie Chan), I don't see the made for TV bit lasting.
Dang it... Now I'm gonna go on a Chris Tucker & Jackie Chan movie binge. Way to go!

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 20:00

48. darkkjedii (Posts: 19483; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Nahhh, only the real Carter and Lee for me. Dude just isn't Chris.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 13:08

21. matistight (Posts: 420; Member since: 13 May 2009)


Just kill whoever steals the software, easy as that.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 19:48

46. roscuthiii (Posts: 2150; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


I'm actually for the unlocking of the phone... it's not against the law to be investigated. Yes, the US does indeed have issues with illegal search & seizure, wrongful prosecution/conviction, and law enforcement heavy handedness... but, a planned mass killing should warrant an investigation. If not for evidence for conviction, then at least for background information for anything that might shed light on what lead up to the atrocity.

Apple's being disingenuous about not being able to access the data on it without creating a new version of iOS. That's B.S. right there. For troubleshooting purposes the software engineers have to be able to gain access just in case a bug or glitch pops up that affects security and/or stability.

HOWEVER... The government is clearly overstepping it's bounds demanding it's own version of iOS.
Also, the ballistics report would tell them how many firearms were used, their calibers, and the angle from which they were fired. The prosecutor is taking a shot in the dark on this one.

The feds need to be slapped down for their overreach... and for just being plain inept.
And, Apple should take a little heat too for making false claims which means they know full well they're obstructing.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 20:32

50. greyarea (Posts: 166; Member since: 14 Aug 2015)


For what it's worth your information about how apple troubleshoots is essentially opinion. I'm not going to state that you are unequivocally wrong because my information is different, just know what you seem sure of is not fact.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 21:16

51. roscuthiii (Posts: 2150; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


It's similar to Schrodinger's Cat and the locked box.

But, to put it in simpler terms. Picture a bank vault. This vault is iOS, the bank then being Apple. What Apple is then saying is they looked in the vault, everything looked good, so they locked it and destroyed their key to open it.
So, unless they can open that door back up to look in the vault to check on the contents stored inside, they simply cannot confirm if/when someone hasn't managed break in (security), or that there isn't a fire in there burning the valuables (stability).
All the while, they're telling everyone everything is fine even though they don't know themselves for sure.

Either way, Apple should either admit they lied and do have a key, or they should retract any and all claims that the customer's belongings are safe with them.

You simply don't know if the cat's alive or dead until you look in the box.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 22:55

55. Leo_MC (Posts: 964; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


That imaginary vault could have imaginary sensors and an imaginary automatic feeding system that tells the vault keeper the cat is alive and kicking, without having the need to look inside.

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 23:10

57. roscuthiii (Posts: 2150; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Exactly part of my point. None of that confirms whether the contents within the vault are being properly safeguarded. The automatic feeder can just be dropping a growing pile of cat food on the decayed rotting corpse of Mr. Bojangles if the sensor and/or the read-out have been corrupted to just show that everything is A-Okay.
Someone, at some point, is actually going to have to open that door and take a peek at that kitty. Think of the litter box!

posted on 05 Mar 2016, 23:07

56. greyarea (Posts: 166; Member since: 14 Aug 2015)


I appreciate you trying to breakdown how you understand it. I still have a pretty different understanding about it.
For one thing I'm not sure how apple having a universal key makes their customers are safe, while having no weakness means all the customers valuables are not safe. Encryption is supposed to solid like a wall, not like a bank vault. You can't sync your valuables to the cloud. It's everyone's own responsibility not to lock themselves out and/or to have backups.

posted on 06 Mar 2016, 00:09

58. roscuthiii (Posts: 2150; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Encryption is not solid like a wall. It's exactly like a vault. Encryption is just a code. It follows an algorithm. That algorithm has a key to unlock the code. Much like the combination to unlock the door on a vault.

You're not supposed to lose your key, but it happens... and since it does happen, and contents in storage are your property, a key is re-issued to you. Why? Because the storage facility, be it a bank, a public storage unit, and yes even an online password like Apple's has a means of re-keying for you.

It's not about having a key equals customers valuables are safe and not having one equals they are not safe. It's about what Apple has publicly claimed they are capable of. Apple as the entity that provides the storage space, maintains, and secures it... has the ability to re-key one lock without creating and giving away a universal key like the FBI is requesting.

posted on 06 Mar 2016, 02:56

61. greyarea (Posts: 166; Member since: 14 Aug 2015)


If you wouldn't mind pointing me to who/where you're getting you're crypto info about this I'd be curious to take a look. I'm pretty positive apple is not lying about having a key and further cannot "re-issue" you key. Remember icloud works differently as it's not encrypted. yet.

posted on 08 Mar 2016, 00:50

66. roscuthiii (Posts: 2150; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Of course Apple has the "key" to iCloud. They developed the software. They have the source code, and the code to every other underlying instruction set to be run.
It's why I'm staunchly against them making an OS to give to the government.

posted on 08 Mar 2016, 01:42

67. greyarea (Posts: 166; Member since: 14 Aug 2015)


My sentence structure was poor. What I meant was I believe apple is being honest when they say they do not have a key and cannot re-issue you one for your iphone. UNLIKE icloud which work differently....

Still would be curious about your technical sources.

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