Apple and HTC ordered by Judge Koh to reveal which patents are covered by their agreement

posted by Alan F.

Dec 04, 2012, 7:44 PM

Apple and HTC ordered by Judge Koh to reveal which patents are covered by their agreement

"The Court has just explained that the only sealable terms of the license agreement are the payment and royalty terms. Thus, the list of patents covered by the agreement does not meet the 'compelling reasons' standard."-Judge Lucy Koh

Judge Lucy Koh is back in the news two days before she is set to overhear post-trial motions made by Apple and Samsung related to their first patent trial. On Tuesday, Koh ordered both Apple and HTC to reveal which patents are involved in the stunning ten-year licensing agreement that both parties agreed to last month. Just two weeks ago, another judge mentioned by us quite often, Judge Peter Grewal, ruled that Apple's attorney's must hand over to Samsung's legal team, an unredacted copy of the agreement.

Judge Koh did say that information like royalty rates agreed to and device pricing will remain sealed for competitive reasons. Meanwhile, the judge said that other information in the pact will not cause competitive harm if released. Therefore, we expect to see Taiwan based HTC and Cupertino based Apple to reveal which patents are covered in the agreement.

Samsung had wanted to see if some of the patents covered in the agreement were part of its lawsuit with Apple, including the '381 and '915 patents which deal with the rubber band "bounce back" effect and zooming and scrolling respectively. Samsung might have wanted to see if Apple's rarely licensed "user experience" patents was included in the deal with HTC. Apple has referred to these patents as their "untouchables" since they are usually not licensed to other companies.

source: CNET

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26 Comments

30. InspectorGadget80 unregistered

STUPID B JUDGE STUPID B APPLE

posted on Dec 05, 2012, 7:06 PM 0

27. wando77

Posts: 1170; Member since: Aug 23, 2012

I wonder if HTC and Samsung have set this up to screw apple........ I'd like to think so :-)

posted on Dec 05, 2012, 4:58 AM 0

22. Reluctant_Human

Posts: 914; Member since: Jun 28, 2012

She will get painful herpes and have to pass this trial along to more a competent judge while on medical leave.. Wishful thinking

posted on Dec 05, 2012, 12:18 AM 0

20. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

What judge out there has ties to APPLE? I forgot...was it KOH?

posted on Dec 04, 2012, 10:05 PM 2

19. cripton805

Posts: 1485; Member since: Mar 18, 2012

Judge koh is a hardcore troll.

posted on Dec 04, 2012, 9:21 PM 0

15. rusticguy

Posts: 2828; Member since: Aug 11, 2012

She will rule in favour of Apple come what may. The whole case is stage (or state) managed.

posted on Dec 04, 2012, 8:20 PM 2

13. prakesh

Posts: 92; Member since: Sep 13, 2012

if you are innocent then show it, if they cant means they are guilty.

posted on Dec 04, 2012, 8:18 PM 3

12. JohnnyBravo

Posts: 105; Member since: Dec 02, 2012

Sh&t is about to get real... Im really interested in reading this agreement and I think samsung is smart to enquire about this deal that all of the suddden took place a few weeks ago. Caught me by surprise to be honest...I never thought HTC would sleep with Apple.

posted on Dec 04, 2012, 8:17 PM 3

2. Mxyzptlk unregistered

I said it before, Samsung should just sign a license agreement and make it easier on themselves.

posted on Dec 04, 2012, 7:51 PM 1

5. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

blame apple and their closed system....they want to patent and own EVERYTHING.....even the market

posted on Dec 04, 2012, 7:54 PM 12

10. metalpoet unregistered

Be careful networkdood, Apple may patent the "comment" then the word "patent" and then the symbole "" haha!

posted on Dec 04, 2012, 8:06 PM 7

17. StringCheese01

Posts: 64; Member since: Jan 27, 2012

U EAT YO WORDS!

posted on Dec 04, 2012, 8:39 PM 5

18. Izzy_V

Posts: 216; Member since: Jul 07, 2012

That avi LOL.

posted on Dec 04, 2012, 8:47 PM 0

21. xtremesv

Posts: 299; Member since: Oct 21, 2011

Yeah of course and then Samsung customers are to pay Apple indirectly for rubber band effects, green icons, rounds and squares. Someone must face Apple and stop them and Samsung is the only company in Android camp that can.

posted on Dec 04, 2012, 10:38 PM 0

24. someones4

Posts: 628; Member since: Sep 16, 2012

I said this before as well... you and Apple can just dream on because it's not going to happen.

posted on Dec 05, 2012, 12:21 AM 0

26. tedkord

Posts: 17519; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

I'm sure that if and when Apple offers serious and fair agreement, Samsung will sign. But as long as Apple's stance is, "We get $20 power device for shapes, colors and patterns, and you get $0.001 power device for the actual tech that a phone won't work without, then no, there can't be a deal.