iPhone 4S, Nexus S and the disappointment of the 2 year update cycle
- People expected a hardware redesign and didn't get one
- There was no real standout killer new feature
- The overall feel of the announcement was more subdued and slow
- Lack of a significant hardware upgrade
- Lack of expected features (SD card slot, HSPA+ on T-Mobile)
- No killer feature in Gingerbread
1. isheep (unregistered) posted on 06 Oct 2011, 21:57 2 16
This article really prove that PA is isheep.
Do we really need an article to tell that i4s is still good if we use 3gs.... NO!!!! For non-isheep, what we care, is.... our 3gs contract just finish. and we compare the i4s to android.... which is make the i4s FAILED.
So, no excuse....
i4s is good, but NOT really good compared to competitor.
4. MichaelHeller posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:09 20 2
I'd appreciate if you actually bothered to read the article before commenting. Given that you commented 2 minutes after it was posted, I find it hard to believe you actually read the arguments before lashing out.
24. RORYREVOLUTION posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:28 4 1
I have read articles others have written on other websites with the same general idea of this. But your article is by far the best I have read. Your points are well spoken and unlike some idiots who don't know how to read, you aren't picking favorites. You are pointing out the facts fairly and unbiased.
Articles like these are the reasons I keep coming back to this website because they are such excellent reads.
And it is damn true, the Nexus S compared to the original Nexus One was very disappointing. Sure it got a slightly improved 4 inch super amoled display, but the specs were almost the same other than that. 1ghz processor, same amount of RAM, Gingerbread was a nice improvement but nothing ground breaking. And in the end the same could be said about the iphone 4S. I am really hoping they don't drop the ball with the Nexus Prime.
Two things made me decide to leave IOS, first was the screen size, I love my 4.5 inch epic touch. The second was apple's stubborn force you to use itunes only to sync music, photos, etc. It's really a pain in the butt after a while where I can just hook my android phone up to my computer and drag and drop files onto my computer and vise versa.
I get it, apple wants security but IMO they over do it. I would go back to IOS in a heart beat if they actually took a risk and made a 4+ inch iphone with expandable memory. But I know that probably won't be happening.
31. MichaelHeller posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:38 0 0
Thanks! Glad to have you coming back.
94. isheep (unregistered) posted on 07 Oct 2011, 01:43 0 1
Google nexus is not intended for wide audience. It's a devices for developer to get a taste of android.
For non-iphone lover / android lover, this article is like trying to miss-inform the one that less informed.
If I own iphone 3gs, and i'm a girl (stereotype?).
and i want to upgrade the i4s now,
reading this article like reading a "the i4s is great, even google android is doing worse".
I rate this article as NON-INFORMATIVE and MISSLEADING, and just GIVING APPLE an EXCUSE, and TRYING TO JUSTIFY WHAT'S APPLE DID WRONG (isheep)
30. TrollingMotor posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:32 0 0
Great Article Michael! Didn't realized that authors actually followed up on the comments on their articles. Especially ones left by people with their head in their behinds such as comment number 1.
32. MichaelHeller posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:39 0 0
Our PA regulars have told me that I may be an exception in this case. I don't know how active other writers are in the comments.
54. Droid_X_Doug posted on 06 Oct 2011, 23:33 0 0
You are an exception. Just check the participation rate of your compatriots with their articles.
BTW, +n on kudos for a great clear article on what is driving the upgrade cycle in the phone business.
34. RORYREVOLUTION posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:44 0 0
Yes, this is why a lot of PA users like Michael. He actually talks back to the users while the others just seem to "do their jobs" so to speak.
36. MichaelHeller posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:47 1 0
As I've said before, I can't speak for other writers, but I get a lot of value from you guys. You help me be better at my job. So, thanks!
39. remixfa posted on 06 Oct 2011, 23:05 1 0
aww gorsh, your welcome michael. :)
if you noticed i even started spelling your name right.. even though google spell check keeps yelling at me for it.. lol
45. Thump3rDX17 posted on 06 Oct 2011, 23:13 0 0
i do disagree with you sometimes Micheal but you do raise good points. you help us all grow as we all help you grow.
58. isheep (unregistered) posted on 06 Oct 2011, 23:53 1 1
i do read your article before posting...
You were justifying apple mistake by showing that google did that too.
while in fact, android is not only google nexus.
and google nexus is kind of developer devices.
apple is competing with HTC, samsung, SonyErricson.
and apple 1 ring to rule them all, i mean, 1 device to rule them all strategies is only good when the competitor don't really have a product to compare.
Right now, android manufacture is doing every size that is.... 3.2", 3.5" 3.7"/3.8", 4.0", 4.2"/4.3", 4.5", 5.0"
you also seems to justify apple mistake/judgement by saying that i4s is for 3gs user.... it does in some sense, but at 3gs time, the android is still infant, now, android is mature.
why i say PA is isheep.
because in every article i read in PA, PA always try to make apple a winner, even in bad spot. example, in camera test... where is N8 to compare with other??? no N8 as the best phone, but iphone4 is there??? PA got their excuse as i4 is one of the best selling devices in the US, but still, to anyone that expect a neutral article, we feel that PA article reflect the iSheep iWorship kind of article.
and PS. forgive my bad english, i'm not english literate, i self learn english.
60. MichaelHeller posted on 06 Oct 2011, 23:59 0 0
I understand what you're saying, but as I tried to say at the beginning, it's hard to compare the iPhone with the entire Android ecosystem. Because Google tries to use the Nexus device as an example of how other manufacturers should build phones, I think it can be used as a good stand in to compare with the iPhone. We're not looking at sales, or even comparing features in this piece. I just wanted to talk about the update cycles and how fast or slow they are. I tried my best to not favor Apple, and I'm sorry if that's how you read it, but that wasn't my intent. This is an issue that all companies have to deal with, I just wanted to use the two market leaders as examples of this 2-year cycle issue.
63. isheep (unregistered) posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:04 1 0
i guess i'm too hars on you too. i'm sorry about that.
i see your point, and you see my point too.
so i'm coolll... :))))
66. MichaelHeller posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:10 0 0
Cool! Thanks for the feedback. It helped me realize I needed to explain myself better in the article.
75. Truth posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:25 3 0
Michael's articles are the best for unbiased reading. They are by far the best on PA and probably on the web. They provide facts for both sides and lets the reader make up their own mind.
When you try to please everybody there will always be somebody not so pleased. Facts of life.
Keep up the good work. Your pieces are well written and should be the primer for all tech articles.
82. MichaelHeller posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:37 0 0
Wow, thanks man. That is one of the best compliments I've ever gotten.
86. isheep (unregistered) posted on 07 Oct 2011, 01:08 0 0
i'm glad this end with happy ending :)
92. 10aera posted on 07 Oct 2011, 01:37 0 0
I don't really think that Google wants to set an example on how Android phones should be done. Google just wants to have a phone good enough as to be introducing its newest Android version. Of course they look for a good piece of hardware, but software is Google's main concern. Moreover, Google knows that Android's hardware come and goes as water. One day you have a single core cellphone and three months later there's a dual core (the same with camera sensors, screen sizes, etc.) Therefore Google knows that Android fans will never be dissapointed for hardware specs the way Apple fans do, because wether or not the Nexus meets fans' expectations, there will always be an Android phone, sooner or later, that will fullfil Android fans' desires. The 2year cycle doesn't apply to Android fans because Google's responsibility goes with software only. Apple, on the opposite, has an obligation that goes beyond Google's one: the piece of hardware that Apple gives to its customers needs not only to fullfil the wishes and expectations of their fans for a whole year, but also the competition brought by other platforms and pieces of hardware. Moreover, if a breakthrough is part of a cycle, then the missing of a single year can be understandable on the iPhone 4s' side, but lacking real common hardware characteristics that other manufacturers are used to have, just as 4+" screens, it's a real sin.
96. isheep (unregistered) posted on 07 Oct 2011, 01:48 0 0
this is what i meant...
108. MichaelHeller posted on 07 Oct 2011, 08:47 0 0
Google has always used the Nexus devices to push certain features that it wants to see more in other Android handsets, though sometimes those changes don't filter out. With the Nexus One, Google wanted faster processors (it was the first with a 1 GHz CPU), and AMOLED screens. The Nexus S tried to push larger internal storage, better GPUs, AMOLED (again), and NFC. And, the Prime is pushing HD screens, AMOLED (again), NFC (again), larger internal storage (still), TI processors, and possibly other features that we just don't know about yet.
Google uses the Nexus devices as both representative of the Android ecosystem as a whole, since it is the de facto flagship device. But, it also uses the Nexus to push certain features that it wants to optimize the system for.
121. 10aera posted on 07 Oct 2011, 14:25 0 0
Yes, but most probably no Android fan will be as dissapointed as Apple fans, becausd eventhough Google may impulse some features, the specific characteristicswill not reighn exclusively for all Android users for a wole year since many other phones from other manufacturers will arrive with similar and improved specs. For example, if Google chooses to present a 4" screen, and a 5mpx camera with IceCream, those will not matter to Androi fans because we know that sooner or later Samsung, Htc, etc will bring a cellphone with IceCream with a +4.5" screen and 8mpx or 12mpx cameras. Google may introduce some features, but Android fans are not limited by them. Apple faces a total different situation because they do not use their phone to introduce just a couple of features, but to stay competitive as well and to atract and conserve customers for a whole year.
7. iankellogg posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:11 2 0
You completely missed the point of the article.
65. isheep (unregistered) posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:09 0 0
my first impression on reading this article is kind of isheep defending why he need to upgrade from 3gs to i4s.... because it's better than 3gs...
while in fact... there were lots more other phone is better than i4s.
so, i don't feel like slow update cycle, managing expectation, targeting the 3gs..... i feel that this is an excuse... excuse.... excuse.... to increase the i4s sale
8. Lucas777 posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:11 2 0
haha if u rnt completely blind u wud see the nexus s in the title, huge pictures of it, and many references to android… please dont be stupid…
and michael i think you mean the iphone 5 will be designated for iphone 4 users in the last paragraph?
14. MichaelHeller posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:16 1 0
You're totally right. Thanks for the catch!
27. Lucas777 posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:30 2 0
no prob. thats what readers are for!
42. remixfa posted on 06 Oct 2011, 23:08 0 0
To GalaxyS users, Gingerbread has a major update. It forces filesytems to EXT4 and off of that older crappy RFS system that samsung put on the 2.1 enabled galaxyS at launch. The power difference is so substancial its part of the reason I see no reason to upgrade from an SGS1 to anything other than an SGS2 or a prime. I score as high or higher in nearly all benchmarks compared to the Sensation with a 1.2ghz snapdragon. Of course, dual threading things like web browsing do pop up ever so slightly on the sensation since it uses both cores for that.
61. MichaelHeller posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:01 0 0
But again, that's a "future" feature designed to push manufacturers into building bigger internal storage on Android devices, that wasn't a feature that would help older phones in any way.
70. voka (unregistered) posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:17 0 0
Galaxy S is still on RFS filesystem even on GB. One can convert it to EXT 4 with custom kernel but but standard is RFS.
At least on Galaxy S, Galaxy II is different story.
11. Reply to dude above me (unregistered) posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:13 0 0
working in the retail industry, I actually for once agree with what PA is talking about. I work on commissions and even though I personally am an Android fan, I am not going to talk an iPhone user out of buying another iPhone. The majority of the time, when someone loves their OS, they usually stick to it. The only time I really see iOS > Google or Google to iOS is when they are looking for features that the other OS is missing. I use to try to convert every iPhone user to Android and learned quickly that it hurt sales more than anything. SOOOOO.... with that said I politely disagree with your comment, the majority of people that loved the 3GS will probably get an iPhone 4s. I think that's what this article was getting at.
12. Reply to dude above me (unregistered) posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:14 0 0
THIS MESSAGE ABOVE ME WAS DIRECTED TO FIRST POST. Sorry im a slow typer
46. bobnnate posted on 06 Oct 2011, 23:14 0 0
ur an rtard. the point of the article was to show why companies, as in plural, as in not just apple, have phones released the way they do. i hate apple with a burning passion but im still a rational person
2. hh (unregistered) posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:04 0 0
3. RORYREVOLUTION posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:06 2 0
Dude shut up, I doubt you even read this freaking article. It's not like Michael was saying "LOL OMFG APPLE RULZ ANDROID SUX LOL LOL PWNED!"
Michael is not an isheep because he has mentioned MULTIPLE times in this article alone that the announcement was a disappointment, ask any apple fanboy and they will all tell you how amazing and perfect it'll be.
5. iphonehater (unregistered) posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:09 0 3
icrap4s is a cheap fon period!i dnt need a duo core in a small screen fon.plus de os itself has got issue.android is jst betta dan ios,i dnt noe y pple refuse to accept that fact.
10. Lucas777 posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:13 0 0
well you are certainly showing the epitome of android users…
48. Thump3rDX17 posted on 06 Oct 2011, 23:15 0 0
we're not proud of anything people like him say. he gives "Fandroids" a bad name.
104. AKm007 posted on 07 Oct 2011, 03:05 0 0
Don't insult a person just because his English isn't impeccable. Cut him some slack. English isn't the only language in the world.
122. Thump3rDX17 posted on 07 Oct 2011, 15:35 0 0
....i'm not busting his chops about his grammar, i'm saying he's a hostile troll.
6. Strumerjohn(NotLoggedin) (unregistered) posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:10 0 0
Really? The Nexus S isn't new why would it be compared to a newer cell phone?
13. MichaelHeller posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:15 2 0
Always gotta leave you looking forward to next year. I want to see the boomerang!
23. dodadum (unregistered) posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:27 0 0
Is it too much and too hard to ask for both? I should just say I want all the capability, including the arm reattachment app. :D
15. vette21man posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:17 0 0
Typo in your 2nd to last sentence?
"The iPhone 5 will be designed for iPhone 3GS users..."
Did you mean "iPhone 5 will be designed for iPhone 4 users?" This flows with the rest of your argument that design is based on a 2-year cycle.
18. JGuinan007 posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:20 0 0
Always great articles Michael but I only can agree with half your story, bottom line Apple didn't put nearly as much into the 4s as it could have because they can make bigger proffits off it people will buy it cause its Apple the next Iphone will have to be a major redesign to stay current and push things along so they can still say they are leaders in the market this time though they didn't feel like doing this build it s make the phone cheaper and get bigger profits
20. MichaelHeller posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:23 1 0
Apple put just as much in the iPhone 4s compared to the iPhone 4 as it did between the iPhone 3g and 3gs.
25. JGuinan007 posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:29 1 0
exactly they spent less on development on the 3gs and materials and made bigger profits same with 4 and 4s 5 will be new design cost more to make the make less profits but they get that all back on 5s
33. MichaelHeller posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:41 0 0
Regardless of the business end of it, the cycle makes sense. 3GS users get the major redesign of the iPhone 4 with the 4S, but iPhone 4 users don't feel completely alienated by a huge upgrade that comes before the end of their contract. In the end, this pattern keeps the most amount of people happy (and now that you've helped me come to that thought, i need to add it into the article, so thanks for the inspiration!)
49. Thump3rDX17 posted on 06 Oct 2011, 23:23 0 0
the cycle made sense back in the days of the 3G and the 3GS when Apple went pretty well unchallenged and the cycle still makes sense for people that just want another iPhone on their every upgrade but Google is a huge threat to Apple now at their rate of progression and there's no excuse for Apple halfway upgrading a device with that kind of threat out there. Apple needs to get ON IT or people WILL start catching on. i already see less tech enthusiast people Oooing and Ahhing at the Nexus Prime's virtual function keys and it's bigger, curved, HD display and not taking a second look at the 4S because it's pretty much the same as the 4 to them.
68. MichaelHeller posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:13 0 0
I'm not arguing that Apple or Google couldn't push harder, take less profit, and update faster or put more into each update. That's a decision made by each company's plans.
But, would you rather Apple piss off users who just bought an iPhone 4 in February with a huge redesign just 6 months later? That would anger a lot of customers who still have a long time left on their contracts.
72. Thump3rDX17 posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:21 0 0
on a business stand point i don't think that should matter more than getting the people coming out of them today.
73. Lucas777 posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:21 0 0
exactly… if apple was just going for market share they would release a bigger badder iphone… but they actually do care about their image and their customers and this makes the most people happy.. and personally i dont think many of the people buying an iphone or android really care about its specs… they buy it becuase they think it looks cool and by how good the salesman is..
74. Thump3rDX17 posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:24 0 0
...you don't really believe that do you? you poor soul. to Apple market share IS their image. you're going to tell Thump3rDX17 he doesn't care about specs? really Lucas? really?
78. MichaelHeller posted on 07 Oct 2011, 00:31 0 0
Yes, market share is Apple's image insofar as it is a bit happier with smaller market share, because it gives the products the cool, elite, underdog feel, which helps to drive demand and therefore profits. That's why Apple is perfectly content with 6% of the PC market, because it has the revenue to make up for it. Similarly, the iPhone has huge profit margins, and those are more important than market share for Apple.
91. Thump3rDX17 posted on 07 Oct 2011, 01:36 0 0
for all the reasons i would consider buying an iPhone (which i would probably never do) it wouldn't be because it's an underdog or elite. i'm not sure who has how much market share because i don't care about that but i know iPhones are everywhere. Android devices are everywhere too but they're by different manufacturers so that doesn't really matter there.