Galaxy S7 parts specs appear: big 1/2.5" camera sensor size and a powerful speaker
1. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
1/2.5" is disappointingly low size. Even the nexus 6P has a bigger sensor at 1/2.3". Heck, even the 2013 Xperia Z1 has bigger sensor.
And it is not 'much bigger than S6". S6 has a 1/2.6" sensor.
This is just cheaping out on components or sacrificing optics just for smaller camera hump. Really shameful.
2. VVayne (Posts: 77; Member since: 01 Oct 2015)
OTOH Smaller sensor means brighter aperture. Which means faster shutter speed, and less noise. Hope Samsung found the perfect values for these variables, when optimizing their camera software.
4. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
"Smaller sensor means brighter aperture".
No, it doesn't. It only means the f-stop is lower, which isn't the real aperture size. Samsung will just make a f/1.7 sensor and market it as bright, while the real aperture won't be bigger than a regular S6.
A smaller sensor is NEVER good, no matter how much you optimize software. You need the optics. Of course you can screw up on software, but Samsung's, LG's and Apple's software is already at the point of diminishing returns.
6. hung2900 (Posts: 949; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Sony has big mobile camera sensors for years. But the quality is so underwhelming.
8. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Doesn't matter. At least they're not cheaping out on sensors.
I don't care even if s7 obliterates every other smartphone camera. Because it still doesn't justify them sacrificing optics. Hardware is samsung's turf, if they don't go all out on that, they don't deserve any respect.
25. joevsyou (Posts: 683; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)
doesn't matter? LOL IF sony is offering better hardware but lackluster results then you really can't use them back up your claim
32. marorun (Posts: 3151; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
Joevsyou in fact he can use it to back is claim because bad hardware cant be solved. Bad software can!
30. marorun (Posts: 3151; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
For a rare time i agree with Tyrion..
Crappy camera software can be solved by using another camera app.
Crappy hardware cant be solved beside changing the phone!
56. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 764; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)
Your point is valid and no one can disagree with you on this
35. zeeBomb (Posts: 1783; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)
I have a feeling that if this is true, the s7 and edge will have a similar camera setup on the international version like the s6 but more mp. Who knows if the exynos ver is a completely different phone!
29. marorun (Posts: 3151; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
Hung. thats because of software only.
Try any sony phone with another app like stock google one or camera fv-5 then you will see what they can really do.
10. Macready (Posts: 841; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
Of course the real aperture will be larger than in the S6. Had the F stop been the same, it would be larger because the sensor is a hair larger. But the lower F stop actually adds to that difference..
20. VVayne (Posts: 77; Member since: 01 Oct 2015)
It does. Because the pixels on the sensor are bigger. But yeah, we'll see. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
21. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Pixels are bigger, yes. But there are less of them.
36. j2001m (Posts: 2788; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
Tyrian the thing you missing is Samsung as I think removed the green sub-pixels that make the pixels smaller to start with, so pa did not think of that when they was working out the pixel size, that and I also think it takes in the image at 24mp and then. Makes the 12mp image
46. marorun (Posts: 3151; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
the sensor is 12 mp so its cant take a 24 mp sorry.
58. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 764; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)
Any source of 24mp? No one can do pixel binning better than Nokia. I dont think samsung has developed such a software. It took 5 years for nokia to perfect the pixel binning technique. No one else want to invest in software development of such technique.
11. mixedfish (Posts: 1152; Member since: 17 Nov 2013)
It's the same size, except the Samsung uses 16:9 sensors where as other manufacturers use traditional 4:3.
Personally I think 16:9 photos is dumb, but hey people enjoy 16:9 pictures on 16:9 screens lol
17. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Do you have a 4:3 screen? The only 4:3 screen I have is iPad. All other screens including my phone, laptop, desktop or TV are 16:9. I prefer widescreen photos as they fit the screen perfectly. 3:2 is fine too, but 4:3 is a bit too square.
And NO, a 1/2.5" 16:9 sensor makes it even smaller than a 1/2.5" 4:3 sensor. So it's even worse.
45. talon95 (Posts: 466; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
True, 11% less pixels are being used to form the 16:9 image, but the quality of that image is exactly the same. It's just being cropped in height and increased in width. So it's just preference based on the screen you view it on or your printing paper.
48. marorun (Posts: 3151; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
In fact some sensor are 4:3 and some 16:9
There is also a difference in quality when you use the full size of the sensor vs using 11% less its small but there.
12. Doctorluv (Posts: 42; Member since: 30 Jun 2014)
Yes "TyionLannister", but which phone take the better picture?
14. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Obviously S7 will take better pictures. BRITECELL enough will make a 3 dB improvement in signal-to-noise ratio.
Then again, it's not that the camera would be crap which I'm bashing about. I'm upset as Samsung is not giving it all they've got.
Then again, it's a good news as I won't be jealous of the S7 users.
23. pmsap (Posts: 78; Member since: 26 May 2015)
My interest in LG G5 just increased considerably.
26. DRS1977 (Posts: 419; Member since: 27 May 2015)
You will be jealous, because S7 users will be taking the best pictures again. You sound like a lame spec fanboy, grow up seriously.
28. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
"You sound like a lame spec fanboy, grow up seriously."
Who are you to judge me? Besides, I want the best hardware in the phone I'm paying 700$, and a 1/2.5" sensor won't cut it.
They can put at least 1/2.3" but they are cheaping out. I hate companies who compromise on hardware. I guess I'll root for just Apple now.
51. marorun (Posts: 3151; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
the Camera on apple iphone 6S and 6S + is nothing special so i dont see the point to root for them.
61. DareDevil01 (Posts: 32; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
"I guess I'll root for just Apple now."
What? Apple has a smaller sensor and their night shots are worse...
50. marorun (Posts: 3151; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
I am still not convinced the S6 took the best pictures all around.
Tested the S6 , LG G4 , moto x play and even the new nexus and when used correctly they are all almost as good as each others.
S6 has the most detail but only slightly.
G4 has better color reproduction and contrast but slightly.
moto x play is good all around but slower to focus.
and the new nexus are great but a bit less detail.
59. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 764; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)
Nexus is less detailed? I experienced it having more resolved detail than S6, G4 and ip6s. Even at night time it resolve more detail than three others.
49. marorun (Posts: 3151; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
In theory its will in practice we need to compare it to others new flagship comming out :)
24. rd_nest (Posts: 1591; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
The rumour was for 1/2-inch sensor. Hope it's like the one rumored.
Let's see if they using a RWB sensor which might be interesting.
27. sissy246 (Posts: 631; Member since: 04 Mar 2015)
Yeah and the s6,s6+,s6 active and note still take wayyyyyyy better pictures. So why change it much.
31. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
The S6 series looks like s**t compared to Nexus 6P/5X in bad lighting. And the nexii don't even have OIS, also google's camera software is nowhere near Samsung's.
A bigger sensor is better, always better. There is absolutely no downside to it. So why not change it. The reason is cost. Samsung just cares about margins.
52. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 764; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)
absolutely. You nailed it. Nexus 6p/5x is way better in resolved detail and also in bad lighting condition. Samsung and LG doesnt have any excuse except cost saving.
Imagine imx377 with samsung's software prowess and with OIS, it would blow out every other phone.
53. marorun (Posts: 3151; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
Agreed i want to see how the M10 will do with its bigger sensor coupled with OIS its will probably be amazing.
Samsung is getting more like Apple all about margins and not about having the ultimate best.
34. zeeBomb (Posts: 1783; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)
Oh shot...its probably a 20MP this time...qq
37. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 764; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)
before it was rumored to be a large 1/2" sensor. Now 1/2.5" is a disappointing rumor
38. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Well yes. 1/2" is 56% bigger than 1/2.5".
43. talon95 (Posts: 466; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
Someone isn't an engineer. 0.5" is not 56% more than 0.4" just FYI.
44. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
That someone is you. Sensor is a 2-dimensional quantity. That means size increases quadratically with diagonal increase.
So ((1/2)^2)/(1/2.5)^2 = (1.25)^2 = 1.56.
Remember, a 2" sensor is 300% bigger than a 1" sensor, not 100%, as it's 2x bigger on each side making it 4x bigger.
FYI, 0.5" has 25% bigger size than 0.4".
You must have flunked maths pretty bad.
47. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 764; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)
is this the way it works? as far as I know, the size of sensor and even screen is diagonal. So 1/2" sensor should be 20% bigger than 1/2.5".
57. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Even if it was linear, 1/2" sensor would be 25% bigger than 1/2.5". Or equivalently you can say 1/2.5" sensor is 20% smaller than 1/2".
Since (1/2)/(1/2.5) = 1.25, which means 1/2" is 25% larger in diagonal.
Or equivalently: (1/2.5)/(1.2)= 0.8, which means 1/2.5 inch sensor is 20% smaller diagonal.
The absolute sensor size is measured in Area. So a 25% more diagonal means 56% more area.
A 20" screen is 4 times bigger than 10" screen as it will have 2x the height and 2x the weight.
Let me show you an easy example, to make it easier to grasp.
Imagine a rectangle with sides 3" and 4". By pythagoras, we can find diagonal as 5". Now take a rectangle with sides 6" and 8". The diagonal in this case will be 10". Now, the question is, how much bigger is the second rectangle?
The easy method to find it is to find the areas.
Area of rectangle 1: 3x4 = 12 inch^2.
Area of rectangle 2: 6x8 = 48 inch^2.
Hence, we can easily see that making the diagonal twice as big makes the area 4 times. Sensors are rectangles too.
41. SYSTEM_LORD (Posts: 353; Member since: 05 Oct 2015)
Should've just gone with the IMX377 in the Nexus phones like HTC...
42. talon95 (Posts: 466; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
What's impressive is that they have this size sensor as well as a thinner module than all of the devices you listed. So it is actually a step forward I imagine.
60. Kristian (Posts: 1; Member since: 20 Feb 2016)
What you're saying is true but seriously, you guys are fighting over the camera on a phone. a f**king phone. Nobody takes serious photos with their phone.
It's for those times when you just need a shot and didn't carry any real equipment.
3. socialexandru (Posts: 1; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)
That "one obscure Spanish bank" is one of the biggest in Spain....
5. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1492; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)
I doubt that we would get any information in the event, after so much leaks
7. abdoualgeria (Posts: 309; Member since: 27 Jul 2015)
i was hoping for at least 1/2.3'' ... any way
19. sergiobr (Posts: 694; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)
And I expecting 1/2" like LG G5. Waiting Note 6 or ... LG ?
55. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 764; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)
I dont think G5 will be having a 1/2" sensor. Its just an early dream of different web portals and leaksters. They always dream little beyond the edge in their articles.
I think, G5 will have the same 1/2.6" 16mp sensor along with additional 8mp sensor. I dont want to expect something big from any OEM. What I have learned from my experience, whenever there is a rumor which sounds too good to be true, it turned out to be fake
13. Trakker (Posts: 283; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)
The speaker is always the weak point of a waterproof phone so I am hoping they've somehow fixed that.
54. marorun (Posts: 3151; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
To fix thats they need to remove waterproofing its a question of physical limitation.
16. TheStanleyFTW (Posts: 243; Member since: 20 Feb 2013)
Damn. That's quiet disappointing if true. And here I thought it might have 1/2.3" (Nexus 6P, Xperia Z"X") or bigger. Heck look at Nokia N8 from 2010. 12mp 1/1.83" and imagine a modern sensor (BSI, Stacked, blabla) + Samsung imaging processing + a fast aperture + OIS = Lowlight monster.
22. AZNHA (unregistered)
i thought it would be 1/2.3" like nexii 2015 and xperia z1-z5 :/
hope the performance of the camera better than s6/note5
33. Shocky (Posts: 2250; Member since: 16 May 2012)
Bit disappointing, will be interesting to see how they compare.
39. Mreveryphone (Posts: 402; Member since: 22 Apr 2014)
WOW... These comments are hysterical!! We are talking about a cellphone cam here... You guy's act like these things should be shooting the next SI shoot or something... Most of you will only be using it to post on FB or IG or Snapchat so pipe down... It'll be fine...