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Apple iPhone 4S gets stacked with an iPhone 4, Samsung could sue on the antenna design

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Apple iPhone 4S gets stacked with an iPhone 4, Samsung could sue on the antenna design
A Vietnamese newspaper has gotten a hold on the iPhone 4S, and has snapped a few photos of it stacked up with an iPhone 4 to illustrate the design differences. They are subtle, but changes in the outer chassis do exist, and will most likely lead to new cases needed for the iPhone 4S, since the dimensions of the new iPhone are slightly different than those of the fourth generation.

The biggest change besides the slightly taller chassis of the iPhone 4S (4.54" vs 4.5") are the notches in the steel band surrounding the iPhone 4S. Apple's engineers have redesigned the reception area after the "you're holding it wrong" drama last year, and have moved the notch from near the headphone jack on top of the iPhone 4, to above the mute button on the left side of the iPhone 4S. Since the new iPhone sports new dual antenna design, there is one more notch above the microSIM slot on its right side, making them four in total.

Apple iPhone 4S gets stacked with an iPhone 4, Samsung could sue on the antenna design
Apple iPhone 4S gets stacked with an iPhone 4, Samsung could sue on the antenna design
Apple iPhone 4S gets stacked with an iPhone 4, Samsung could sue on the antenna design
Apple iPhone 4S gets stacked with an iPhone 4, Samsung could sue on the antenna design

Apple's new dual-antenna solution might run it into legal troubles with patent holder Samsung

Apple's new dual-antenna solution might run it into legal troubles with patent holder Samsung

This new antenna design, however, could run Apple into legal trouble with Samsung, should the Koreans decide to pursue its patents on technology that "intelligently switches between multiple antennas", which they bought from Aalborg University in 2007. Professor Gert Pedersen there says that Apple's statement about the antenna sounds an awful lot like what his team sold to Samsung four years ago. "Improving on the innovative stainless steel external, dual-antenna design of iPhone 4, iPhone 4S is the first phone to intelligently switch between two antennas to send and receive”, said Phil Schiller when he took the stage during the iPhone 4S announcement.

Samsung's patents now cover switching antennas when the phone is held in landscape or portrait mode, which presumably will also be a feature present in the new iPhone 4S, so Professor Pedersen had some more comments on the issue:

I can not say that they are directly breaking the patent, but there are not many ways they can choose the right antenna, without coming to break many patents. When Apple says that it is new, it’s not true. It has been in use for very long. For example in the DECT cordless phones. Both in these and in some other phones...


Professor Pedersen might certainly be planting ideas in Samsung's legal team heads, despite that the Koreans allegedly decided to keep it down a notch with the counter-lawsuits, in the hope that the new CEO Tim Cook will be more reasonable in the litigation department.

source: Comon via 9to5Mac & Xaluan

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posted on 11 Oct 2011, 04:35 12

1. UltraElectroMagneticPOP (Posts: 49; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)


Come on, say it with me: ee-nuh-vay-shun!

That's what they keep on bragging about.
That's what they have not had for quite some time.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 06:33 3

13. John (unregistered)


iphone 4s is great. Check this:


http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_4s_browser_benchmark_and_camera_sample_leaks-news-3257.php

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 07:13 11

14. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


Benchmarks suck. Quad Core Tegra 3 will eat your iAss alive.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 07:26 2

15. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


all these other phones do is give you more specs that you dont even need or use.

The funny thing i was just making jokes about Quad core phones yesterday and now you... well you get it. lol. loosers on probably still have flip phones

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 07:47 3

16. kshell1 (Posts: 1141; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


my kyocera echo sucks, has virtually the same specs as your junky iphone except for the retina screen but who needs that many freakin pixels in a 3'5 screen? and its still better just because it has android 2.3 on it.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 18:49 1

45. ZayZay (Posts: 548; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)


No one cares about your echo!! It is bottom shelf, we in here are talking about top shelf phones.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 13:33 1

34. joseg81 (Posts: 154; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


wtf is that whole last sentence about learn how to type n how to speak before you go on typing...pendejo

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 04:36 4

2. koreampuff (unregistered)


I'm not going to lie when I say I'm excited that Sammy has some new workable ammo.

Let's get the settlements in and innovation gearing on!

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 04:38 4

3. Sammy345 (unregistered)


Hey Apple karma is a B!

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 04:41 13

4. Sniggly (Posts: 6481; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Lol, so perhaps Apple's bad luck with antennae continues with its fifth consecutive phone?

It's seriously like the curse of the Bambino or something. How many more iPhones need to be released before they release an antenna that doesn't suck, have a design issue, or get Apple in legal trouble?

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 10:46

25. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


He's talking out the ass again.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 18:26

44. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)


dont believe rumors.. remember?.....

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 22:18

46. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 799; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Here you go. . .
http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_4s_antenna_furthers_apple_samsung_patent_war-news-3250.ph

Rumor huh?

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 05:09 7

5. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


really ? apple is copying someone ? it is a long history of apple to do that since apple exists

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 05:25 2

6. THE_GAME5 (Posts: 35; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


the mere fact that ios is much stable
compared to android + better quality
apps is enough to drive iphone sales.......

the critics are either jealous idiots or those who cannot afford it or hackers who are unable to do tinkering with
it.......

for a normal guy nothing comes
closer for being the best smartphone as iphone.......

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 05:33 7

7. nyamo (Posts: 274; Member since: 19 Mar 2011)


while i wont deny i love to tinker with my phone, its the fact that i was able to grab some music off my co workers flash drive and drop it on my phone and was able to play, all done while being at work, which is why i decided to not get another iphone. the idea that i need a program to load files onto my phone is a big deal breaker for me

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 08:06

18. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Actually, you CAN drag/drop music on iPhone. Use a tiny app "SharePod." It actually works really well. You can even sync playlists back into iTunes, or be iTunes free if you like.

www.getsharepod.com

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 08:52 2

21. lollercaust (unregistered)


"the idea that i need a program to load files"

Maybe you're confused, but a "tiny app" is also referred to as a program. And having to install a program to put an MP3 onto what is essentially a glorified flash drive with playback capability is absurd.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 11:10

26. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Actually, it's not absurd. For those of us that enjoy our playlists/smart lists/play counts/ratings/last-played metadata synced across all devices, having an app (iTunes) do that for you is awesome. This inherently makes it pretty tough to do a drag/drop from win explorer...it would wipe out any play counts or ratings.

The point is, SharePod gives you that flexibility if you don't care about the abovementioned metadata.

And seriously? "App" vs "Program?" Come on, dude, toe-may-toe...toe-mah-toe. An app is an application, which is essentially a program.

If you want to split hairs, I am actually more correct; an application is an executable file that performs a task. A program would be the code that is run within an application in order to perform that task.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 05:34 4

8. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2864; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


OBJECTION!!!!!!!! My god the isheeps stupid argument that everyone is jealous because they can't afford an iPhone is getting really tiredsome.

First of all moron, the iPhone is priced at 99 to 199 depending on what model and storage amount you get. There are plenty of people who have android phones who paid 200+ dollars on them. So your argument that we're jealous because we cannot afford one is stupid and invalid.
It isn't 2007 anymore fool when the iPhone was 600 dollars, just about anyone can get an iPhone. I have seen people who work at shell stations have iPhones. I have seen people who work fast food jobs also have iPhones.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 07:50 1

17. kshell1 (Posts: 1141; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


iphone 3gs at att&t is now free iphone 4 8Gb is $99 on 2 year contract and the 4s is between $199 and $399 depending on storage capacity.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 05:53 4

9. Sniggly (Posts: 6481; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Good job spamming the exact same comment as on the other thread.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 06:30 3

11. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


dont respond to this. its some idiot posting this same message across the threads.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 16:24

39. David Heim (unregistered)


@THE_GAME5 You sir, are a f**king idiot and must be one of the stupid consumers who are consumed with the thought of Apple being the best at everything when it comes to their iPhones. I won't deny that there are some perks that makes the iPhones one of the best phones in the market, but you're statement just totally made me want to retaliate.

Does Apple have flash on their iPhones or iPads? f**k NO! (Don't even dare think about including the Macbook because I'm talking about phones and tablets and not f**kING computers!)

Does Apple have durable products at all? f**k NO! Their iPhones are easy to break after a drop from 2 f**kING feet on cement! At least other smartphone makers (HTC, Samsung, Nokia, etc.) HAVE DURABLE PHONES THAT DON'T BREAK UPON CONTACT ON THE FLOOR!

Who said that people can't afford iPhones anyways? There might be some who can't afford it, but hell, a lot of people who have smartphones can usually AFFORD an iPhone, but choose not to because they might think the OS is too simple (at least for me, it is)

Also, QUALITY DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PHONE IS PERFECT! Look at the f**king iPhone! High quality material, but a fragile infrastructure doesn't make a superior phone. So don't make such idiotic assumptions!

But hey, I'm not gonna stop you from liking your iPhone, which you call "the best smartphone". JUST DON'T SHOVE YOUR f**kING BELIEFS ON TO OTHERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN!

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 17:17 1

42. Paden (Posts: 262; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


Whoa. Make that triple espresso a double next time.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 17:28

43. bsweetftbll (Posts: 4; Member since: 31 Mar 2011)


I realize flash used to be this really cool thing, but its non a surprise that flash is fading away, in fact adobe is pretty much giving up on it, and has already started. they have already given out tools to convert websites flash to HTML5. I understand that there is a few people out there that just NEED flash. and thats coo. but just because apple chose to skip flash on their os doesn't mean its less powerful. IMO
also, i do believe there was an article on here a few months ago, about an air force pilot that dropped his iPhone out of his plane a few thousand feet up in the air, used the 'find my phone' app, tracked it down, and aside from a few scratches, it still powered up and worked! so i don't buy this garbage about a plastic phone that i feel could be cracked in half if i sat on it, is stronger that a phone that can survive a 1000ft free fall.

posted on 12 Oct 2011, 13:57

48. David Heim (unregistered)


That's only one iPhone user that happened to survive. And it depends on where it fell too. You're basically saying that the iPhone has a solid structure and all, but I disagree upon the infrastructure of the phone. That's only one person out of the millions of iPhone owners around the world who happen to break their phone by dropping it from cement.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 06:15 1

10. irf (unregistered)


It's more about the hardware now rather then software and plus 4 inch screen is a must whatsoever

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 08:11

19. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Hm, don't know when it's ever been "more about the hardware." Perhaps to the unsuspecting consumer you can simply say that dual core is awesome and you need to have it, but throwing specs out there like, "quad core is just around the corner", "benchmark this and that" are just filler arguments. Give me a good end-user application to have that spec. You need the software to SUPPORT that hardware more than you need a non-optimized awesome spectacle of a piece of hardware.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 12:49

30. bolaG (Posts: 468; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)


lol the screen is the same but the phone got bigger FTL

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 12:58

32. protozeloz (Posts: 5326; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Its why I told people they couldn't hope to have an iPhone 5 with CDMA/LTE/GSM with more ram a bigger screen more battery and smaller than the iPhone 4. its just not so simple and with the current TESTED tech its impossible, future tech may result on a slimmer iPhone with other specks and better battery but its a long road down that path

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 06:31 3

12. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


good. hopefully its a strong enough patent infringement that sammy can make apple come to a permanent lawsuit standstill so we can get back to pouring millions into innovation, not into laywers.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 08:57

22. KaKa (unregistered)


http://cafef1.com/san-pham/dien-thoai-vien-thong/diem-khac-nhau-ve-ngoai-hinh-giua-iphone-4-va-iphone-4s/

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 09:14

23. uncle ruckus (unregistered)


Am I the only one holding a verizon Samsung Fascinate that remembers how bad they were. I cant bring myself to buy another one no matter how good they appear to be no nexus for me. i used to want an Iphone bad. never thought Verizon would get it. im gonna give it a shot. if i dont like it then its HTC for me.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 09:39 2

24. 3D (unregistered)


I don't think you want to use that boring interface.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 11:22 1

27. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Why even comment!? Say something constructive..like: "Android actually offers widgets and open software options, if you are into a lot more customization." Give uncle ruckus a good reason to get something else, not just "iPhone's interface is boring." He's had a bad experience with Android...give him a good reason to try another Android device that is maybe better than the Fascinate.

This has happened to many family and friends of mine...they have a bad experience with iPhone or Android, so they try the other, or something else. So I say, go ahead and give the iPhone a try, I think you'll like it.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 12:49

29. protozeloz (Posts: 5326; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I couldn't Agree Any More!

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 12:54

31. protozeloz (Posts: 5326; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Maybe you had a bad experience with the Fascinate, witch where your problems? also even if nexus is a Samsung device, you may want to give it a try since its going to get updates and fixes faster than anyone out there, My recommendation is try them, don't you get 20 days to make your decision final? if you don't like it you can switch to the other one. so you wont have to feel like regretting anything

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 13:00

33. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


go iPhone and you'll never look back.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 14:12

35. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Sorry to be the comment police lately, but why not mention why he'll never look back? He'll love the stable platform, huge vetted App store, Apple ecosystem, and regular iOS updates to all 2yr-old and newer iDevices. Maybe these are some of the things that his Fascinate lacked.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 12:14

28. blackrose (Posts: 48; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


so apple is getting sued for this or what they claim there iphone 4s is the first to do this and its a lie . i thought they were telling the truth i guess i was wrong. if they broke the patient they should be sued ,

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 15:13

36. belovedson (Posts: 821; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)


wow daniel p. im really surprised by the fact you just said it plainly that apple is in trouble. gj. that's real reporting. thanks for not being attached to apple's you know what.


to those saying we don't need the technology yet need to stop listening to apple marketing

if you pay for something you want to get the most value out of the product.

think about it for a second. if the tech in any electronic has advanced features wouldn't you think the longevity of the phone would be far superior than a product that has yesterday's tech?

think people

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 15:44

37. networkdood (Posts: 5512; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Seriously, is anyone really shocked at apple stealing an idea or NOT innovating?? Would not be the first time and will not be the last.

Speaking of updates, I am enjoying my 1GHz single processor Captivate with Android OS 2.3.7 on it (my choice).....who says updates do not happen....lol

Runs rather nice on the cappy and I can use beyond the 2GB of 16GB allowed for program storage with an easy option. Plus, my notification bar is on the bottom (my choice).
Oh yeah, and I can purchase a 32GB microSD card for about 79.99, depending where I go online - giving me 48 GB of storage space......(my choice)

399.99 for 64GB iphone 4S....that price is not innovating :-)

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 15:55

38. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Heck, here's a Class 4 32GB microSDHC with SD adapter for $50 shipped from Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208573

Feel free to send me the $30 I just saved you.

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 16:38

40. TC (unregistered)


I haven't been following very closely Samsung's current or threatened suit(s) against Apple, but wouldn't this specific issue have already been addressed when Apple released the first Verizon iPhone 4?

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Verizon-iPhone-4-vs-AT-T-iPhone-4_id2655

posted on 11 Oct 2011, 16:49

41. Victor101 (unregistered)


Damn. Both android and iPhone are elite...be happy with what you have ...iPhone is not for everyone and android as well..Im still rocking my evo 4g and loving it, my whole family have androids and I notice my parents aren't all techy with it, so this is where they can try a iPhone 4s and enjoy

posted on 12 Oct 2011, 07:01

47. gabegi (unregistered)


Ohhh My! back to the patent wars again. I think i will just move back to my land line.

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