Andy Rubin: Android activations reach 900,000 a day
Rubin also took the time to refute the rumors that say he is leaving Mountain View for an office and new nameplate at a different company. He made sure to say that he has "No plans to leave Google" in the same tweet where he brought up those new Android activation figures. There was some speculation that Rubin was going to leave Google and join start up Cloudcar. We can now officially nip that rumor in the bud.
source: RobertScoble, AndyRubin via Engadget
1. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5736; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I wonder how many iDevice activations/day there are? Not 900K, that is for sure.
2. JcHnd (Posts: 81; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Wow that's a hell lot of activations... I wonder how many general mobile activations would be worldwide by day, including smartphones and feature phones... damn!
3. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5736; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
It is a short jump to 1m activations/day from 900K.... iFans are green with envy.
4. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
In case anyone's interested, 900,000 global activations per day for Android means 81 million quarterly sales per quarter. Not a bad figure by any means.
29. ardent1 (Posts: 1994; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
If you go to Walmart, android devices go for as little as $80. At such low prices, it's no surprise the daily activations are so high.
At Best Buys, you can buy numerous android devices at $130 or lower. Most of them have 3.2" to 3.5" screens. Moto Triumph with 4.1" screen was going for $229 and ZTE Warp with 4.3" screen was listed at $180.
34. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Yep, and on AT&T good phones like the Atrix 2 go for free and the S2 is at 50 bucks right now. (matches the 4S spec for spec and is a quarter of the price).
Android made smartphones accessible in a way no other OS did before. There isn't any fault in that.
8. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Last month at my store I sold 60 phones. Probably about 11 of them were iPhones. Most of the rest were Android phones. Out of those 60 phones 3 were returned. Two of them were Windows Phones. So in other words, out of the 40+ Android phones I sold, one got returned.
Not saying everyone does as well as I do with returns/exchanges, but if customers are properly educated on a product, it'll generally perform well for them. Especially since I'm not in the habit of selling the cheap piece of crap Android phones offered by the carriers.
10. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Generally anywhere from 20-40% of android phones are returned depending on the study.
12. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
There has been one source ever that claimed to make such a study. And as I recall the grounds for the claim were pretty damn shaky.
17. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
That compares to less than 5% of iPhones. Android literally has 4-8 times the return rate.
21. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
The ONE ARTICLE you're referencing.
A professional rebuttal.
43. mas11 (Posts: 1028; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
Why does taco even bother arguing with sniggly? From what I've observed sniggly sells phones for a living and taco is just a fan with no real experience. Sniggly seems to know much more about smartphones than taco.
44. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Because it's hard to admit when you've lost an argument.
I've kicked Taco's ass up and down these threads. The minute he starts admitting he's wrong, he loses the last shred of dignity he has left for himself. At least in his perception.
I'd personally gain more respect for him if he did admit he was wrong at least once in a while.
47. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
More respect? You have respect for him in the first place?
57. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Sure. Dude is a fighter. I may not like him very much, but he has guts to keep coming back each day and get his ass whipped.
55. ifaghaterzunite (Posts: 6; Member since: 11 Jun 2012)
Dude,you are so ignorant.Who are you getting your information from.Put a link on here that proves your made up crap.
22. Mitchel (Posts: 228; Member since: 25 May 2012)
It's more better to have a source to back up your statement though.
45. andro. (Posts: 1945; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Working in the business day in day out we very rarely get android phone returns,the iphone 4 on the other hand was the most problematic and complained about phone we have ever stock bar none,staff had become completely pissed off in the end of telling customers "yes,the phone drops calls,its an iphone".
48. tedkord (Posts: 4713; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I don't work in phones, so this is all second hand info, but an VZW rep once told me that the iPhone (especially the 4 when it was released) has huge numbers bringing them back for issues, but Apple policy is to simply give a new phone for any issue, and so doesn't count it as a return.
He said the iPhone 4 was a real PITA, because of the death grip issue.
And, there is the sheep factor. My sister-in-law, who complained about constant dropped calls with her iPhone 4, would not even consider any other phone, because, "its not an iPhone." She doesn't even do anything with the iPhone, except make calls, write 500 word texts, read facebook and play Angry Birds.
51. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
I am not very familiar with study but have you considered the possibility that a portion of that 20-40% is exchanges?
Did the study show lost activation or returns? If it's based purely off "returns" then it would be counting the times where people switch from one Android phone to another.
With iPhone, since you don't exactly have that option (obviously you could go from a 4S to a 4 or whatever but how often does that happen) it would explain a much lower return rate.
I could be completely wrong because again I am not familiar with the study but it is a strong possibility.
13. rudlie (Posts: 182; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
I often change simcard at my android phone. each time I change, it always required an activation. is it count one or multiple activation?
15. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No. First time activations are counted only.
16. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Each time that's counted as an activation as well as warranty replacements so this number is pretty shaky especially considering the high percentage of warranty replacements on android.
23. frydaexiii (Posts: 1231; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Ah, Taco trying to act smart. Why don't you try providing some actual proof instead of "Study says"/"Study shows". Even I can do that.
"Study shows 90% of iOS users who browse phone websites are mentally challenged." See how easy that is? Show some legit sources and don't link me to some pro-apple site like Cult Of Mac or something.
We can accept you being an idiot troll, but please don't try to act like you know stuff when you don't, that just makes you a tool.
26. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
It's scary how easy it is to find proof that Taco is wrong.
49. tedkord (Posts: 4713; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
The problem is, when he's losing an argument, Taco will just say anything that comes to mind to support himself, even though he has no idea what he's talking about.
Thus, he will say the phone arena review of the One X said it was laggy, even though it said the oposite. He will claim that user agent spoofing doesn't affect web browser statistics, even though he'd never heard of it before that argument. And, he will claim that Android activations are counted over and over, though he has absolutely no knowledge about how they are counted. And he will never back down once he's said something like this, accepting no source as proof.
He can't help it. His mind can't accept that Android is dominating the mobile space, so reflexively he iRationalizes. He has to distort the real world to fit his perception of how things should be. Android isn't wining, its cheating..
25. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Again, where is your source for this information?
How activations are counted is described here by Android Central.
Your dumbassery has been exposed again.
31. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Androidcentral? You'll have to find something more reliable than a fanboy website.
36. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Android Central has actually been pretty objective about Android, its advantages and its faults.
At least I post a source. When's the last time you did that? Hell, I even post YOUR sources FOR YOU.
You still haven't named your source for the way Android phone activations get counted.
38. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
But because you want a "more objective" source apparently (even though AppleInsider and 9to5Mac are often used as sources) here's another one that corroborates what I've already said:
Please stop insisting on bulls**t, Taco. It's wearying.
40. frydaexiii (Posts: 1231; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Which brings us back to 1) Link your sources and 2) Stop trying to act smart.
41. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Why yes, my strategy is to overpower your laziness with quick links that rebut the idiotic arguments implicit in your statements.
Just accept it, Taco. Admit it. You're wrong.
I mean, don't you realize how much more respect you get when people realize you can admit when you're wrong?
52. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Look we know Andy won't admit to fudging the numbers, but he is.
54. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
So basically, you're saying that you have absolutely zero proof for your claim. It's just what you choose to believe.
50. tedkord (Posts: 4713; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
How about Andy himself?
53. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
52. taco50 posted on 1 min ago
Look we know Andy won't admit to fudging the numbers, but he is.
This comment is posted in response to #41 Show
35. matrix_neo (Posts: 314; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
Are you sure of that?! Did you ask Mr. Rubin how they count activattions of each android phones and tablets. Wild guess??!! You're just too jealous, as usual.
18. KFear (Posts: 137; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)
I bet this means "service swaps" and customers activating replacement devices as well as sales. If this were just "sold" then the whole world would have android devices, shortly. They need to be more specific. Android devices, the cheap ones, tend to break down a lot and have more bugs. Certain people go through multiple "activation" a year. I hate the articles as they are never clear enough
19. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Yea pretty much. Android inflates its own numbers by making faulty devices.
24. Mitchel (Posts: 228; Member since: 25 May 2012)
How about iPhone 4/4s users numbers who goes to Apple Service centers to fix their shattered glass phone.
37. matrix_neo (Posts: 314; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
Yeah that's right, sad to say those sheeps still can't accept the truth, if you ask them absolutely they will deny it.
20. Sangeet (Posts: 232; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
soon going to e a million, that would be amazing..
28. xtian1103 (Posts: 357; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
apple can't match this considering they only have 3 types of ios devices ipodtouch, ipad, iphone (and their subcategories). and the whole world isn't only america. the rest of the world particularly asia isn't a fan of data plans. most of the millions of phones being sold in asia are prepaid. no average earning person would buy a $500+ phones so obviously it is the android's market. samsung alone has the galaxy y, ace, mini, duo, duo s, etc. the rest also has featured phones which is the best selling in asia!
58. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6401; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
900,000 per ACIVATION AWESOME NUMBER. the iPhone is probably less than that.