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Snapdragon 835 chipset slides leak prior to CES announcement?

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Snapdragon 835 chipset slides leak prior to CES announcement?
Just last week, Qualcomm said that it would release more information about its upcoming flagship Snapdragon 835 chipset at CES. We are dying for official info from Qualcomm since it didn't reveal much when the chip was first introduced in the middle of November. Today, some slides giving away information about the chipset were leaked on weibo.

Expected to be built by Samsung using the 10nm mode, the Snapdragon 835 SoC will provide 27% improved performance over the Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 chipset, using less energy than the latter. It also has a smaller footprint than the Snapdragon 820.

The X16 LTE modem on the Snapdragon 835 SoC is the first chipset to have a gigabit-class LTE modem. The slides also indicate that the chip will sport Kryo 280 cores. The Adreno 540 GPU supports 60 times as many colors as the most recent Snapdragon chipsets, with 25% faster rendering. Video wise, there is support for 10-bit, 4K, 60 fps video playback with OpenGL ES, Vulkan, and DirectX 12 graphics.

With the Snapdragon 835 we could see more room for larger batteries, cameras with faster auto focus, and Quick Charge 4. The latter powers up batteries 20% faster than Quick Charge 3. This means that 5-minutes in the outlet will give users 5-extra hours of battery life. 15-minutes of charging will take the cell to 50% full.

The Snapdragon 835 chipset could be found first on the LG G6 or on certain versions of the Samsung Galaxy S8. The former could be unveiled in February and released in March. The latter is expected to be introduced in New York City in April with a launch not that much later.


via AndroidPure

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posted on 01 Jan 2017, 23:50 7

1. f_u_006 (Posts: 77; Member since: 19 Mar 2014)


The new features mentioned above are spectacular, but as always iSheeps will ruin it with trite "heating" jokes.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 00:23 3

5. torr310 (Posts: 1038; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


I got the S7, it did run hot on heavy use. based on my experience. I think both Samsung and Apple's CPU fare better.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 00:24

6. kiko007 (Posts: 4978; Member since: 17 Feb 2016)


*isheep

And we don't make jokes about SD processors..... your own community does plenty of that.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 00:50 5

11. vincelongman (Posts: 4950; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


For 2016, TLDR
CPU: Apple>Samsung>Kirin>Qualcomm
GPU: Qualcomm>Apple>Samsung>>Kirin

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 00:57 2

12. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3315; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


I agree.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 01:14 2

14. trojan_horse (Posts: 3894; Member since: 06 May 2016)


I disagree... The Kirin did not beat the Snapdragon in 2016.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 01:24 3

19. vincelongman (Posts: 4950; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


The 950/955's had better CPUs than the 820/821
The A72 is faster, more efficient and smaller than Kyro cores

But Qualcomm had the best GPUs
The 820/821's GPU has the best sustained perf by a decent margin

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 01:26 2

20. The_Innovation (Posts: 626; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


Give credit where it's due. Currently the A10 chip is destroying any chip made by Snapdragon. When this comes comes out, the A11 will destroy it. That's always the case. When you have a chip crafted specifically for the phone, you get better results. The only way Android wins this is if Google orders custom chips for the Pixel.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 01:29 5

21. WPX00 (Posts: 445; Member since: 15 Aug 2015)


It absolutely did in CPU. The 950 and 955 were revelations, capable of maintaining their top 2.5GHz frequency 100% of the time, a level of thermal capability not seen since the Snapdragon 801. The Honor 8, despite packing a relatively standard 3000 mAh battery, has been described as having "epic battery life".

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 02:31 2

23. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3315; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


For CPU yes it did, just go read one of Anandtech's detailed reviews on a recent kirin device, the CPU is very powerful and efficient at that, hell some might say it beat Samsung's CPU as well.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 02:32

24. Leo_MC (Posts: 2296; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


That means that a QC device has higher frame rates in games than a A10 powered iPhone?

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 03:19 5

26. vincelongman (Posts: 4950; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


The A10's GPU is faster, but it throttles because its clocked too high
e.g.
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/10685/Manhattan_Rundown_7Plus.png
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/10411/ProperstabilityOP3%20copy.png
A10 drops from 41.9 fps to 24.9 fps
820 drops from 31.4 to 30 fps
Qualcomm underclocked their GPU because throttling is horrible for VR

There's not much of a difference for gaming in real world usage, because:

In most games:
Both the A10 and 821 will cap out at 60 fps, because displays are 60Hz and since most games are designed for older phones too

For cutting edge games:
The could A10 drop more frames due to GPU throttling
But the 820 can also drop more frames if the game is CPU heavy, causing the 820's CPU to throttle
The A10 will perform better in CPU heavy games
The 820 will perform better in GPU heavy games

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 03:56

27. wargreymon (Posts: 758; Member since: 05 Nov 2013)


You honestly think stock Cortex is superior to Kryo? What have you been smoking?

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 04:18

28. zunaidahmed (Posts: 969; Member since: 24 Dec 2011)


Well, you should point out Apple as to a10 not a9x on the iPad Pro, as the GPU on that one still crushes all android tablet and phone.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 04:24

29. zunaidahmed (Posts: 969; Member since: 24 Dec 2011)


Benchmarks are not games, and it doesn't mean both will throttle in "newer" games. Mobile game graphics haven't changed much since 2-3 years ago. So I don't see how both snapdragon and a10 would throttle. Show me a game that both SoC can't maintain 60fps then we will talk.

Throttling can happen in 2 situations, one is thermal, another one is power. As long as it's not because of thermal, we are mostly ok, as power throttling happens to save battery. It's like one of the functions of Nvidia mobile GPUs on laptops. You set a target framerate and it will hit it. As long as it can keep the framerate, the GPU will downclock to save power.

I don't see throttling as an issue as long as it's not overheating because that would really really suck.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 04:33

30. zunaidahmed (Posts: 969; Member since: 24 Dec 2011)


Nope, Kyro as an architecture is way superior. Just that it can't keep a lower power draw. That's why 820 had to settle for 2 high power core and 2 lower powered ones.

For the same power, you could stuff in 4*a72 and 4*a53 in a SoC which Kirin does. As this may have a little lower single core ability, but way superior multithreaded ability

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 05:04 3

31. vincelongman (Posts: 4950; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Hence why I said:
"In most games:
Both the A10 and 821 will cap out at 60 fps"

By cutting edge games, I mean like 0.01% of games
e.g.
Daydream games can cause the 821 to throttle and eventually overheat
Because it has to render graphics, track the head and controller movement

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 05:15 2

32. vincelongman (Posts: 4950; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Didnt think that was needed since Qualcomm, Samsung and Kirin dont make tablet SoCs
And since both Aple and Nvidia didn't release new tablet SoCs in 2016

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 05:41 1

33. 47AlphaTango (Posts: 329; Member since: 27 Sep 2015)


Too bad. Not all games that are released on the playstore are qualcomm optimized.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 07:26

37. Khyron (Posts: 254; Member since: 28 Sep 2015)


4k@60fps
20% faster app loading speed
Better GPU than A10
With 8 hours of SOT I Will be happy
Screw that ISHEEPS

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 08:50

39. krystian (Posts: 409; Member since: 16 Mar 2016)


First of all. It's not a competition. Just use what you like and they use what they like.
Second of all this will be compared to the past generation apple chip and I'm sure Apple will still fare well because they make some of the best chips. Apple has yet to announce it's 2017 chip.
You should be happy about your product. If Apple fans make childish remarks then let them. Being pseudo-better than someone because of a product shouldn't be what brings you happiness.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 10:42

43. mikehunta727 (Posts: 991; Member since: 12 Sep 2014)


Most likely not... Even if the S820 GPU is slightly faster due to thermal throttling, alot of games on iOS use Apple Metal which is a low level API that gets more out the hardware (like Vulkan) so the numbers Vince linked are absolutely correct and true but that was A10 on OpenGL and not Apple Metal which alot of iOS games are starting to use already

If S820 could exploit Vulkan games on Play Store then S820 GPU would be back on top again real world performance but I'd give it to the A10 due to already plenty of Apple Metal made games on iOS compared to very very little Vulkan titles made so far for Android while Android devices still continue to use OpenGL for the games (less efficient, less performance then Vulkan)

By the time Vulkan games really hit the scene on Android, these two chips wont really even matter anymore

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 00:13 3

3. Carl3000 (Posts: 232; Member since: 11 Oct 2014)


I'm not an Isheep and I know this will still lose to the A11 chip because apple chips work seamlessly with their phones software & their cores are always larger than Qualcomm Snapdragon. Their dual core clusters on iPhone 7 run at 2400mhz & 485mhz and still pounces the 821 at 2400mhz & 2200mhz.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 00:46 5

9. vincelongman (Posts: 4950; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


The A11 is coming 8 months later, it better outperform the old 835

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 01:21 1

17. trojan_horse (Posts: 3894; Member since: 06 May 2016)


Exactly just that ^^ . The A11 would be 8 months newer the Snapdragon 835 by the time of it's release... So it's byt logical to assume it'll outperform the Snapdragon by then, unless an unexpected issue happens to the A11, like how overheating plagued the Snapdragon 810, which in turn downgraded it's rank so badly in 2015.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 00:15

4. Adsr14 (Posts: 118; Member since: 08 Aug 2015)


I doubt it's a slightly modified version of an a73. If it was then why not give it four s53's like the Kirin to go along with these new kyros. That was my complaint of the quadcore 820 and why I was more a fan of the exynos 8890 and the Kirin 960. 4 high performance plus 4 low performance cores sounds pretty dam nice. Imagine if the exynos 8890 just had the 4 Mongoose cores and stayed quad core. Or imagine the Kirin had just the 4 a73's. Assuming the 835 stays quad core these individual cores must be much more than just modified a73's.

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 00:44 1

8. vincelongman (Posts: 4950; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Rumors are that the 835 is in fact 4x A73's and 4x A53's
Just renamed, because
1. Qualcomm wants to look different from Kirin/Samsung
2. And doesn't want to openly admit the Kyro design was a big mess up

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 00:48

10. RieXan (Posts: 4; Member since: 04 Oct 2016)


The 835 is a octacore SOC.Look at the picture, 4 Performance Cores and 4 Efficiency cores

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 01:01 1

13. Settings (Posts: 2263; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)


DirectX 12? It will run desktop Windows? Wow!

posted on 02 Jan 2017, 01:16 3

16. vincelongman (Posts: 4950; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Yep. For real, no joke

They showed a 820 running full Windows and Photoshop CC
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10889/microsoft-and-qualcomm-bring-windows-10-to-snapdragon-processors

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