iOS 6 Maps app: "you’re literally not going to find things"
Apple is definitely trying to distance itself from the Google ecosystem, however in the case with the maps it’s losing one of the best and most detailed data sets only to use one of the weakest ones in the industry.
How do we know? Navigation app Waze chief executive Noam Bardin revealed this in an interview.
Not just users will be unhappy, though. A huge number of mobile app developers are reportedly looking for ways to integrate navigation apps like Waze in their apps instead of Apple’s new mapping service.
Apple replaced Google Maps after its license agreement with Google ran out earlier and will now further hope to have users in an even more vertically integrated system with its own maps.
source: Business Insider
19. imsickwithphone (banned) (Posts: 76; Member since: 17 May 2012)
nevermind, I will not update my ipad to ios6
just stick to ios 5
31. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)
Honestly, I only use Waze. The Google map system isn't that great, and I have had zero problems with Waze. It does everything Google maps does, and more effectively. Not to mention its FREE. I'm sure iOS maps will surpass Google in no time, since they perfect everything they do. Google is fragmented with ALL of their apps, making it harder for developers to work with changing code for different screen sizes and such. Moving forward, I think it is the best solution for Apple to rid Google out of their platform.
37. audiblenarcotic (Posts: 108; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
You are sadly mistaken if you that that Apple will be able to bring thier maps system anywhere near Google in the short term. First off, Apple is only going to send out an update for Maps once a year like they do with everything else... so for aleast the next year Apple Maps will be garbage. on top of that Google has spent like 10 years or so collecting mapping information. This is not something Apple will be able to do overnight. All in all Apple has only gimped thier device for the sake of trying to hurt Google which I don't believe it actually will. In some ways it may help Google as it could push user away from the iPhone in favor of an Android device where Google Maps and the rest of thier service are all heavily integrated.
59. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)
Have you used Apple maps? I have used Waze for my iPhone and it finds way more locations than that of Google. Google is a fragmented OS, and will always try to live up to everyone's expectations, but fail to do so.
Even if we don't have Apple maps right from the get go, there are other applications that you can download that use a different map system. Easy.
64. Obdabeast (Posts: 41; Member since: 01 Jan 2012)
have you ever used the real google maps on android ?? that is a real map.. google maps on apple is retarded but I think they did that on purpose.. apples lame anyways the new features just rip off most of androids already built in features.
72. audiblenarcotic (Posts: 108; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
Have I used Apple Maps... No because it hadn't been released yet so neither had you. Pretty simple answer. BUT... the general consensus from everyone who has, even pro Apple people, is that it inferior and has a long way to go. If you want to argue that then go ahead but you will only prove that you are just as stubborn as Apple and want to deny reality.
Apple's OS is fragmented as well since not all iPhones will get iOS 6 and even the ones that do will not all recieve the full update so you can just forget that argument. Let alone that we are talking about a mapping application and not an entire OS.
And please go ahead and use Waze... you are going to need it if your other option is Apple Maps. The only problem is that it will not be able to integrate into your OS the way that APple will have thier Maps do it and the way that Google allows Google Maps to do it.
Bottom line is that you are an idiot.
41. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
You know this because you are an app developer? And Google Maps is not free? lol
58. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)
I'm no developer, but I have done my research on coding for applications in iOS and Android. iOS is much easier to do, and looks better, than android apps. You're blind if you can't see that.
And tell me where I said Google maps arent free, oh yeah, I didn't!
I have ran into multiple issues with Google Maps, and I know that iOS is a more reliable platform with better app development. Again, you're blind if you dont realize that. You can't even sit there and say Android phones don't come with problems when they are first released, because that is garbage, but Apple actually puts time and effort to make it the best they possibly can. Anyone can make an app for android and put it on the play store, Apple looks over each individual app and says its OK to be released to the public. Do your research before you flame me bud. :)
62. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
"It does everything Google maps does, and more effectively. Not to mention its FREE." slight implication that the other being Google Maps is not free" otherwise why mention its free?
I never said that Apple apps are not refined lol because they are... I have had more than enough experience with iOS during my time with the 4/4s.
iOS may be a more reliable platform with better app development but that's because app developers are too lazy to code for multiple devices. Apple makes the minimum bumps to specs.. with minimal updates to their OS so go figure.. its easier for devs to keep up. I'm sure if Android manufacturers pushed 2 phones a year and the Android OS moved at a snails pace developers would have absolutely no issues polishing/refining their apps do you disagree?
In regards to Google Maps.. what issues have you had with them? And is that at the fault of using iOS Google Maps or the actual Android version? You cant sit there and say Apple has absolutely no issues with their devices when they are released, because that's garbage. Do you have any other issues with what Google puts out?
Im hardly flaming you just inquiring
73. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
So it's easier to code for iOS than Android?
I wasn't aware that Objective C was more popular than Java.
As for reliability of apps, some reports have said that crashes are more frequent on iOS. Look at the Facebook app. The thing can't stay open for 5 minutes on my iPad. Granted, it's first generation, but it's not terribly intensive.
And closing up the ecosystem is a GOOD thing? How would you like it if every program on your PC had to be approved before you could install it?
74. nnaatthhaannx2 (Posts: 820; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
um... you are just trolling right?
Make one wrong turn one Waze and it has you make five illgeal u-turns to have you get on the same route as before, it does not properly re-route.
Google Navigation is pretty solid for android and the voice is much better.
54. ahomad (Posts: 153; Member since: 15 May 2012)
by that time, users of google maps will find even more things, LOL
60. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)
I doubt it. The maps application gets updated more than I change my underwear. And I change my underwear quite frequently. Its annoying to say the least.
75. p0rkguy (Posts: 684; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
And just like that, Google Maps has just been updated for Android.
-Access your desktop and mobile search history through My Places.
-Single-handed zoom; double tap, then hold down your finger and slide to zoom.
76. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)
Lol. Ok I'm wrong because I am in favor of Apple, regardless. You people are so retarded its hilarious. You guys stick yo your washed out, crappy operating system and I will stick to stuff that actually works.
26. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3645; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Apple partnered with a real GPS company for their new maps. Id say they're more reliable than Google maps was.
28. Savage (unregistered)
You are refuting the exact thing the artcle's trying to say. Apple Maps is far from perfect. Accept that.
35. Savage (unregistered)
I didn't mention Google.
38. The_Innovation (Posts: 562; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)
It is, actually. lol
Especially running on a Droid.
46. Bears_Fan (Posts: 3; Member since: 24 Aug 2012)
This is why we say no to drugs children......
80. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
i think the article is a little biased in the fact that TomTom is not exactly a "weak mapping company"… I'm sure waze would like to think of TomTom as weak since they are competitors… i do not doubt that the google integration was better, but if google would not let apple update with navigation, or something prevented them (probably apple's stubbornness) I would much rather have the new map program with navigation….
I think apple made the right decision as long as they work to improve the app regularly, i definitely like navigation over what we had before, and flyover is pretty cool
33. The_Innovation (Posts: 562; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)
You must be out of your mind if you think "some GPS company" (which isn't even a known one, as said above it's the lowest and weakest in data) is more powerful than Google? Whose been around for so many years and has 10x the money than anyone of those other companies.
34. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and your basing this alternate ifanatic reality on what evidence exactly?
56. matt1q2aw3 (Posts: 13; Member since: 30 Dec 2011)
You won't be able to find things because you'll be "holding the phone wrong."
2. Sakeem (Posts: 230; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
Rome wasn't built in a day. After a few updates, hopefully it will be better.
30. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 298; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
No doubt. But is seems they pulled the trigger on this change a bit too soon.
53. ahomad (Posts: 153; Member since: 15 May 2012)
you can tell who is fanboy from some comments. give me one reason why would you use apple maps if you know that "you won't find things" over google maps where you can find almost everything except fanboyism?
you will not get money for using apple maps and you won't lose money for google maps. you, me and more people are just consumers, we need the best products to use. but some people just want to use apple products even if they are useless, and that is the definition of fanboy
3. iWorld (Posts: 85; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Are you sure when Google maps were launched first time, it had all the features you expect from iOS maps. Dont be panic time makes everything perfect. I am sure Apple is gonna make it. Go Apple Go iOS
12. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Do keep in mind how many YEARS it took for Google Maps to get where it is now lol.
25. p0rkguy (Posts: 684; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
But their navigation was great back in 08. Only problem was there wasn't an electronic mobile device that could take advantage of it. Everyone was printing out directions.
87. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
My bad didn't mean to thumbs you down lol. Google maps has always been my go to nav for the longest time. Even when I was big on using Apple I just don't see apple catching up when Google maps is and will be growing exponentially regardless of competition.
4. mukrenol (Posts: 90; Member since: 03 Sep 2011)
well... hope iusers will have the option to download google map through their app stores...
14. mukrenol (Posts: 90; Member since: 03 Sep 2011)
i'm talking about choices... YOU might not need it, others might think otherwise...
79. E.N. (Posts: 2329; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
That's what I'm saying. I wonder what all this fuss is really about? It just launched, lets wait.
6. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Great move apple. let your legal squabbles negatively effect developers and end users
8. amiaq (Posts: 478; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
Well Apple is playing catch up...i thought they're trend setter
9. Savage (unregistered)
Don't worry. It'll get better. In about 10 years time. Till then, Download Google Maps from the App Store, Apple Users ;)
69. sgogeta4 (Posts: 392; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)
Where will Google Maps be in 10 years? Still 10 years ahead of Apple...
10. good2great (Posts: 1039; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
there's an update to your source PA...
They said Bardin retracted his statement "What’s going to happen with the Apple maps, is that you’re literally not going to find things. When you do find them, they might be in the wrong place or position geographically. And if you do have it, the route to it may not be the optimal route."
but hey news is news i guess... anything to add some spark to the day... seems like since yesterday the flame wars have died down a bit... nothing like a iMaps bashing to kick things off...
"UPDATE: Waze CEO Noam Bardin reached out to BGR to clarify his earlier statements. In no way does Mr. Bardin believe Apple’s maps will get you lost nor are they terrible, however the CEO reaffirmed his claim that Apple selected a weak data set when compared to Google." - source BGR
21. Aeires (unregistered)
Sounds like someone got reprimanded for speaking his mind.
13. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
google maps wasnt perfect when it launched either. but it was also the first of its kind in many respects as well as building on those that came before.
Apple's maps wont be perfect, but honestly they should still be able to make a mapping system that works "nearly as good" as google maps at least for landmarks and directions. There are so many mapping companies out there to work with. If they went with the guy with the "lowest data sets", that means they were the cheapest. Profit before functionality, the Apple way.
32. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
Apple should buy Waze and partnered with Garmin .
Or just use bing maps .
36. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ha, they wouldnt use Bing, that would be helping another competitor. I actually expected them to go in with Garmin or one of the other struggling but known mapping companies with a big data base. Just have to assume that typical Apple wanted the full data set at fire sale pricing and they wouldnt bend. You get what you pay for some times.
44. Savage (unregistered)
Apple partnering with Map-makers who have less data solely for the purpose of saving costs and you say its still better than Google Maps. Deluded fanboy.
47. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
"Profit before functionality" wow really.. because the iphone, the ipad and the iPods work very good, some may say that offer the best functionality.. out of any devices out there, is ok to hate Apple but don't have to sound ignorant
49. Savage (unregistered)
Regarding maps, Apple's Map is currently better than which map app? This troll keeps on saying it's better than Google's. Thats what am arguing about. As he failed to answer where he had to (in the previous comments) I'm asking him here. I don't have anything to do with iDevices other features.
71. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yes gallito, but thats also at the expense of a very simple OS, hardware that is rarely near the cutting edge with the new i5 being an exception with the new processor.. until A15's come out anyways.
Apple has always taken profit before functionality. They spend less on R&D than pretty much every other company yet have double the profit margin. I think its pretty self explanatory.
83. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
Galito see what I download on my itouch .
Apple maps is crap I tried it just now so many places not there .
84. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
I miss Nokia maps on my Nokia n97
Nokia maps used to be a paid app and s**t at 1st that's why I buy Garmin app for n97
Now Nokia maps is great
The nice thing about android is that you can enjoy a great google maps app preinstalled for free even the old ios5 google maps sucks compared with android's google map .
World's 2 best maps app , google maps and Nokia maps
85. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
Garmin and Papago are okay as well .
Just that they are paid apps and will be useless on my itouch (no GPS ) and also useless on my GNexus because google maps is already there
15. itiswhatitis (Posts: 422; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)
That's it i'm not updating my ipad till google comes with an app
16. app_droid_soft (Posts: 42; Member since: 09 Sep 2012)
Go to maps.google.com on safari and select add to home screen...enjoy!!!
Google might launch google maps app for iPhone just like it did YouTube.
18. ddeath (Posts: 163; Member since: 14 Apr 2012)
The beginning of the end... A stupid move if you ask me.
20. biophone (Posts: 1893; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
People who update post your experiences with maps app. I'm going to wait a bit before updating.