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Is this proof that the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 fiasco was not caused by a problem with the battery?

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Is this proof that the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 fiasco was not caused by a problem with the battery?
Samsung has reportedly finished its investigation into the cause of the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 explosions. The company expects to unveil the results sometime in the middle of this month. Thanks to some leaked information about the Samsung Galaxy S8, we might have a good idea about what the report does NOT reveal.

The word out of Korea today is that the 5.7-inch Samsung Galaxy S8, and the rumored 6-inch Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus, will both be powered by batteries coming from Samsung SDI. This is the battery making division of Samsung that gets the blame for the Galaxy Note 7 fiasco. Considering that the launches of the Samsung Galaxy S8 and the Galaxy S8 Plus might be the most important releases for Samsung in some time, you would expect that the company wouldn't risk using its own batteries if they were indeed the problem behind the Galaxy Note 7. The word out of Korea is that the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 problems had to do with ‘strategic defect’ whatever that means.

Samsung plans to use its own batteries in the new 2017 Samsung Galaxy A series, which includes the Galaxy A3, A5 and A7. In fact, the 3600mAh juicer insider the Galaxy A7 (2017) has a 20% higher capacity than the battery used on the Galaxy Note 7. We really would expect Samsung to use different batteries, even ones from a third party manufacturer, if it were concerned about a repeat of the Galaxy Note 7 affair.

So the bottom line is that Samsung will probably tell us this month that it was not an issue with the battery that caused all of those Galaxy Note 7 phablets to explode. It should be interesting to hear what Samsung believes really happened.

via AndroidSoul

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posted on 03 Jan 2017, 23:05 28

1. Khyron (Posts: 237; Member since: 28 Sep 2015)


Clickbait

posted on 03 Jan 2017, 23:09 5

3. phldlphn (unregistered)


How is this clickbait?

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 00:54

13. mr.reckless562 (Posts: 162; Member since: 22 Dec 2016)


technically, yes. actually, No.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 00:56 5

14. mr.reckless562 (Posts: 162; Member since: 22 Dec 2016)


its not, lol. its a valid article that has a valid alternative possible scenario to the cause of the note 7's demise

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 01:01 2

15. trojan_horse (Posts: 3623; Member since: 06 May 2016)


Technically, yes... But, if I weere to put conspiacy theories aside, I would say that the cause of the Note7 catching fire was due to a flaw in the Note7's internal battery design, not because of the Samsung SDI battery.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 02:40 3

24. Veteater (Posts: 45; Member since: 04 Aug 2015)


The GN7 fiasco was due to too little space between the battery, its connectors, and the frame of the phone/areas surrounding the battery. Due to this, when the phone was stressed/pushed, it would overheat because it couldn't effectively dissipate heat. This lack of heat dissipation and the lack of space that the battery is allowed to expand when it heats up [more on the cause later] (molecules become more active and spread apart further, and therefore rise in temperature) caused the battery to explode.

It was a problem with the device's design. Samsung tried to cram a stylus and a 3500 mAh battery into a device with less than the dimensions of most 5.5" phones, while only being 7.9mm thick, measuring at 6.04" tall and 2.91" (!) wide. The most prominent dimension being the width. Add the stylus into the mix, and the device is simply too narrow to support all that.

Also of note: A few GS7 Edge units have exploded as well, moreso than some others that have exploded. Samsung really pushed the borderline of what is acceptable in such a frame, with a 3600 mAh battery in the GS7 Edge. However, there is no stylus of worry here, so Samsung was able to cram a slightly larger battery into a device that essentially is as wide externally as the Note 7 was and be able to get by with it.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 02:59 1

25. trojan_horse (Posts: 3623; Member since: 06 May 2016)


@Veteater, yes you have a logical point there.
Thans for the tip!

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 03:02

27. trojan_horse (Posts: 3623; Member since: 06 May 2016)


Thanks**

So, that means the claim of the Samsung SDI battery being at fault is false after all.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 07:10 1

38. Veteater (Posts: 45; Member since: 04 Aug 2015)


No problem! To add to that, certain connectors and ribbon cables were made shorter and/or smaller to accommodate everything. The battery connector cable in the GN7 is smaller than that of basically any other device I've seen, just for an example... Also, there is nothing to cool down the processor. Even though there still might be some exploding units due to the extreme internal design of the device, the GN7 would still be available if Samsung would've used a heat pipe or thermal paste.... But no. They instead tried to cram as much as they could spec- and feature-length as they could without first considering the internal layout of the device. "But the device will have to be as wide as a 5.5" phone now, and it will be thicker than 8mm because of the heat pipe/thermal paste addition... Oh whatever! We managed to make everything fit, right?"-Samsung; to put things bluntly.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 08:26 1

43. sissy246 (Posts: 3327; Member since: 04 Mar 2015)


I don't know, it sounds logical but then why do some iPhones catch fire. They are just as thin.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 08:29 5

44. Macready (Posts: 1360; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


No, the scenario starts with a false premise: that SDI was believed to be responsible for the Note 7 fiasco. Which it can't have been, because batteries produced by the Chinese company Amperex suffered a similar fate.

Thus the whole theory built on the premise above falls flat from the start and whether SDI supplies batteries for the S8 is therefore completely irrelevant to the issue of the Note 7.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 08:31 3

45. Macready (Posts: 1360; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


Too many assumptions without proof, see this gem for example:
"Also of note: A few GS7 Edge units have exploded as well, moreso than some others that have exploded. "

No statistics to compare = no valid claim. Here's a reminder: news items about explosions usually can't validate the source (in this case the actual phone) and do not represent repreentative statistics, ever.

Also noteworthy: there are Chinese phones with larger capacicity batteries in a similar housing.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 09:03 2

47. sissy246 (Posts: 3327; Member since: 04 Mar 2015)


"Also of note: A few GS7 Edge units have exploded as well, moreso than some others that have exploded"

I do think you are wrong on this. Yes a few, very few have caught fire but more so then any others. I think more iphones have caught fire then the s7 edge.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 10:44 1

49. Macready (Posts: 1360; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


"Also, there is nothing to cool down the processor"

This is flat out false. There are heat pipes, similar to the design of the S7. See step 13 of this tear down:
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung+Galaxy+Note7+Teardown/66389

And while it has a larger capacity battery, it's also slightly taller and thicker than the Note 5.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 10:54 5

50. McLTE (Posts: 920; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


I could see this being considered clickbait because the article includes the word "proof". This leads the reader to think that they will find something substantial within.

Then one goes on to read the article and all we find out is that Sammy announced who will supply batteries for the Note 8. Sure, this is good speculation, but the information falls well short of living up to what the title implies.

So yeah.. CLICK BAIT.

PA is so bad with these articles. The article titles often make grand promises and fail to live up to it.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 10:58

51. Jason365 (Posts: 1; Member since: 04 Jan 2017)


This what I understood as well. The article is okay but you'd think that they would have already known that this was the suspected cause not necessarily the battery.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 11:07 1

52. FowLang (Posts: 3; Member since: 20 Nov 2014)


A general rule of thumb, is that if a title of an article begins with a question, then the answer is no.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 13:49

54. marorun (Posts: 4833; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


It is because the issue come from both the battery and the design.

the battery made for the note 7 where not tested correctly and the way the note 7 was made too much pressure was applied on the battery wich made the battery get too compressed and the metal thing in it touched and created a short.

You see when the report come out..

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 13:52

55. marorun (Posts: 4833; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Veteater yep you are right.

they could had manufacture the battery better to fight this issue a bit but yes the design was the main culprit.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 13:59

56. marorun (Posts: 4833; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Macready,

Those chinese phone with larger cpacity batteries in a similar housing might not have one of the following or even all of them in some case :

Exynos soc thats tend to overheat.
Waterproofing ( thats also tend to keep all the heat in )
All made of glass ( also tend to keep al lthe heat in )
More space taken in the phone because of the stylus.

I beleive its a mix of all this thats make the note 7 more prone to explode with also the fact probably the battery was not well designed ( you do know usually each phone battery is custom made for thats phone right? )

Also there is more news of S7 edge exploding than any others phone right now on the web.

I also have more complain from user for overheat on S7 and S7 edge.
I even have user thats got burn pixel on the screen because of heats.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 14:00

57. marorun (Posts: 4833; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


More S7/
S7 edge exploded than iphone 7 and 7+ .

but yes over the years i saw more apple iphone explode than samsung phone ( all model put toghether. ) be fair in your comparison :)

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 14:53

66. Macready (Posts: 1360; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


"Exynos soc thats tend to overheat. "

This crap again. The SoC doesn't overheat, since it stays well within spec and actually runs cooler than most others. The ones in the US were almost exclusively equipped with the SD chip anyway, so this is fully unrelated, or should I say, your usual Exynos bash attempt.

Ventilation on all phones is practically nil, waterproof or not. Another moot point.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 14:54

67. Macready (Posts: 1360; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


"More S7/
S7 edge exploded than iphone 7 and 7+ "

Another fully unsubstantiated claim. Without numbers, you have nothing.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 17:59

72. SmartPhoneMobiles (Posts: 84; Member since: 16 Oct 2016)


TapBait

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 20:11 1

73. cheetah2k (Posts: 1696; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


Pretty much everything on this site is click bait. Especially anything Apple Vs. ......

posted on 03 Jan 2017, 23:08 6

2. mercorp (Posts: 1039; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)


What they likely mean was that the battery was too large for the phone's dimensions, regardless of manufacturer. Had they actually stopped,investigated and waited, and then swapped the batteries for a smaller one (maybe 3200 mah? ) the note 7 would not have met such a tragic ending!

Was so going to buy a note 7... ended up with a Xperia XZ in the end.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 00:19

12. techperson211 (Posts: 1280; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)


Well good choice about the XZ. However going back, ofcourse they won't admit that it's the battery. Note 7 was the perfect phone for android fans still the catch up battle with apple got them screwed on quality testing.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 01:15

17. mr.reckless562 (Posts: 162; Member since: 22 Dec 2016)


i wanted a Note 7 for the fact it had an awesome iris scanner AND Samsung pay. im still lookin @ used S7's on craigs list to buy on the cheap. & even though the S6 has Samsung Pay and is cheaper, since it dosent have SD card slot, i have to look at the S7.

IF samsung were to MARKET f-ing Samsung Pay CORRECTLY , and MAKE HANGOUTS the STOCK messaging app 4 its phones (google should 4 Android but w/e) or at least make its own internet based Instant messaging app the STOCK (only) messaging app, then they would CRRREEAAAAMMM apple n ppl wouldnt even CONSIDER gettin an iphone!
why? "PPL (all the stupid 1s) wan SEE when youre typing!" for freaks sake. aparently, ppl STILL wana IM each other, but Samsung AND google are too stupid to realize this, or are ROYALLY failing at changing the 'culture' of texting communication.

all these isheep do is use imessage, group imessage, n F-ing Face time.....y??? KUZ ITS F-ING BUILT IN the app!!!
makes me wana get an old cheap iphone just 4 this purpose.
i dont like being left out anymore! D':

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 02:34 2

21. phldlphn (unregistered)


Well, if it wasn't the battery itself that caused the problem, why would they admit to the problem being the battery? And obviously it wasn't when they replaced the batteries.

posted on 04 Jan 2017, 02:39 1

23. tedkord (Posts: 13116; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Hangouts? Eww. One of the first things I disable.

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