HTC Nexus 9 passes through FCC
2. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Looks like a 64-bit Nexus and Android L will land in 2014. This is going to be fun :)
4. YourNickname (Posts: 127; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)
Better not be 3gb of ram with that 64bit soc :(
8. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Yeah, it is a bit unfortunate. Google should put out a Nexus tablet that supports a small panel on the back giving access to two SO-DIMMs, for up to 16GB RAM. That would give developers the ability to easily develop and test on a system with 1-16GB RAM.
Once mainstream Android is 64-bit, then we'll see all sorts of interesting designs. It's taking a little while, but Android tablets are evolving past the sterile iPad-like designs they seemed stuck on.
10. vincelongman (Posts: 4081; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
I don't think that would not work with the current tech
Tablets/iPad and phones/iPhones don't have SO-DIMMs
They have a SOC (System on Chip) which is the CPU, GPU and RAM all integrated into one chip
It's mainly because there's no room for SO-DIMMs (tablets are probably too thin) and a SOC is probably cheaper
Maybe with Project Ara there might be dedicated RAM component
14. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
It's possible. It just depends on what interfaces the processor SoC makes available. For example, Nvidia's current TK1 development board supports external RAM. Which means with some additional work, SO-DIMMs could be supported.
Part of the problem with Android phones/tablets is copying Apple and thinking "thin is everything". Thin is one thing. Having two SO-DIMMs (side by side, not stacked) is another thing. Different designs for different audiences. There is no reason to cripple a 64-bit Linux with Apple specs (i.e. thin, low RAM, etc.). Hopefully some enterprising Android hardware vendor will realize that 64-bit Android L can be quite a powerhouse. Certainly Intel and Nvidia and others want to sell chips. It helps to support more memory to support fast powerful chips.
19. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
It's a bit more complicated than that. Android L isn't going to use 64 bit memory addressing, because, very simply, it doesn't need it.
AND it actually increases memory useless across the board. You don't want the crap that is apple's setup where they had memory issues in their stupid products from ios7, do you?
20. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Linux has been 64-bit a long time and works quite well.
Android will have some growing pains, but fortunately Intel has been working on patching Android for 64-bit for the past couple years.
IMO, the phone/tablet industry needs to move to 64-bit. It's a cleaner architecture than the older 32-bit ISAs/chip architectures and will ultimately make for better user experiences and added functionality.
22. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2128; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
You would face a pretty steep battery penalty with dedicated SO-DIMMs, which is fine on something with a big battery (laptop, but even most of those have mediocre battery life) or something that is constantly plugged in to the wall.
31. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
"Linux has been 64-bit a long time and works quite well."
Which has nothing to do with it. The android dev team wanted to avoid the memory bloat with 64 bit addressing, something that with desktops is easier to cope with.
"IMO, the phone/tablet industry needs to move to 64-bit.It's a cleaner architecture than the older 32-bit ISAs/chip architectures and will ultimately make for better user experiences and added functionality."
All of which are benefits to armv8.
Let's just put it this way: The vast majority of people don't even need 4GB of memory on the desktop. And what's even funnier is MS finally admitted as much when they cleaned up win8 to not be the memory hog that Vista was.
32. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
I think we'll have to disagree on this one. While many people don't need 4GB of memory for a desktop, there are certainly a lot of professional users who would benefit. Even the machines for science students now often spec 16GB due to various application requirements. Like I said earlier, different designs for different audiences.
Linux already includes some mechanisms for cutting down on the memory usage, i.e. the x32 ABI:
"x32 ABI (Application Binary Interface), introduced in Linux 3.4, allows programs compiled for the x32 ABI to run in the 64-bit mode of x86-64 while only using 32-bit pointers and data fields. Though this limits the program to a virtual address space of 4 GB it also decreases the memory footprint of the program and in some cases can allow it to run faster." (Wikipedia)
I hope Google doesn't do something dumb and invent yet another addressing spec that delivers some minimal benefits in the short term, but hobbles 64-bit applications for years to come.
35. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
Well if they adapt that, great. But I doubt android will be the OS for the 5% or less of non professionals who really need a desktop.
Tell you what, I'll start seeing it being feasible when something like quickbooks, photoshop or autocad show up on any app store, in full blown format.
36. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
It'll be interesting to see what apps appear over time. When there's a billion 64-bit devices, I think a lot of companies will be making interesting apps.
23. vincelongman (Posts: 4081; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Yes, but my point was I doubt they can fit SO-DIMMs in a tablet's frame and make the back panel easily removable
Especially they are now since they are so thin
Even most ultrabooks now have Ram soldered onto their motherboard to save space and are very hard to open up
24. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Yes, with a super thin tablet there would be issues.
An option for SO-DIMMs to take less vertical space would be edge mounting them behind little "ports". So you'd pop off a port cover, similar to what is done on the Xperia Z phones and access the SO-DIMM that way. Maybe you would need a special tool, like is required for some SIM cards.
I think many people who want a lot of RAM are ready to give up some thickness or add some bezel size. There are many customers who value functionality, not just form, or at least some better balance of form and functionality than what you get with a super thin iPad-like tablet.
33. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
I guess you've never seen an SO-DIMM. They are not very thick.
15. 21babydoll12 (unregistered)
I'll take 3gb ram. If it's LPDDR4 2100!
6. surethom (Posts: 605; Member since: 04 Mar 2009)
Nice but was hopping for a 10.1" or 10.5" nexus tablet for home use. :(
12. KillgoreTroutTime (Posts: 433; Member since: 06 Jan 2014)
The Note 10.1 2014 edition is nice,
21. bendgate (unregistered)
You want 4GB? But its stock android which runs very smoothly on 2GB as well.
9. newbey123 (Posts: 553; Member since: 19 Mar 2012)
YES!! Been waiting to get a tablet until Google and HTC got back together. Hurry up and release it already!
11. BattleBrat (Posts: 1432; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
16mp camera? on a tablet? I hope it has a flash, then I can use it with the Cam Scanner app and turn all the stupid paper hand outs at school into PDFs and go paperless!!!
13. KillgoreTroutTime (Posts: 433; Member since: 06 Jan 2014)
I use my phone to do that same thing. Having pictures of every hand out is pretty awesome.
37. Krjal (Posts: 226; Member since: 19 Dec 2013)
My face was more like :/
It'd better have a memory card slot. 16gb is getting pretty small now.
17. quyenqchau0813 (unregistered)
Release it already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18. DaveElliott (Posts: 106; Member since: 20 Sep 2012)
Not a bad 1st attempt at 64. Probably as expected at this stage in the evolution. Nice to see HTC in the game.
25. scarface21173 (Posts: 128; Member since: 17 Aug 2014)
Definatley think it will be a metal chassis, probley retail at £299 for 16gb and £349 for 32gb and go head on against the ipad. Just hope I can pick one up in gold or copper colour.
26. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
People here are so misinformed about 64bit architecture and RAM lol.
29. XperiaX (Posts: 64; Member since: 20 Feb 2014)
Seems like this will probably be the next tablet I'm upgrading to...
34. ArturoHg (Posts: 1; Member since: 05 Oct 2014)
What if the Nexus 6 is also being made by HTC because in the past bothe devices were made by the same company