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Galaxy S7 and LG G5 won't treat the memory card as internal storage, despite Marshmallow

Galaxy S7 and LG G5 won't treat the memory card as internal storage, despite Marshmallow

Google's Android 6.0 Marshmallow update may not be waxing drastic changes in the interface of the world's most popular mobile OS, but it doesn't have to. Most manufacturers are slapping their own overlay on it anyway, so Google decided to concentrate on radical changes under the hood, like the Doze battery-sipping mode, the ability to swap even the stock dialer and messaging apps for a third-party one, as well as the so-called "Adaptive Storage."

The Adoptable Storage feature of Marshmallow has the ability to merge the internal memory of a phone with the external storage in the form of a microSD card (if the device has such a memory slot), and treat the resulting cumulative memory as a one total partition. In theory, this would prevent user confusion as to how much exactly free space they have in total on the phone, instead of trying to calculate microSD storage and internal storage separately, or asking themselves what are these things in general.

Now, here comes the surprise - both the Galaxy S7 and LG G5 don't support this Adoptable Storage feature, despite shipping with Marshmallow on board. Thus, they'll treat the microSD card as a separate entity, instead of lumping it together with the internal memory in the storage menu. Here is Samsung's argumentation behind this decision, and we'd wager to say LG could have meant something similar as well:


Samsung decided not to use the Android Marshmallow “adoptable storage” model. We believe that our users want a microSD card to transfer files between their phone and other devices (laptop, tablet, etc), especially the photos and videos they shoot with the camera.

With adoptable storage, first of all the card may be erased the first time it is inserted into the device. This behavior may be unexpected by many users and we don’t want our users to lose their files. Second, once Marshmallow starts using a card for adoptable storage, it cannot be read by other devices, so it loses this ability to be used for file transfer. Adoptable Storage is also primarily targeted towards emerging markets where devices with only 4-8GB of onboard storage are common. We think that our model of using microSD for mass storage is more in-line with our owner’s desires and expectations for how microSD should behave.


After all, Samsung also decided that it is too early to force the obscure USB Type-C connector on the potentially millions of Galaxy S7 and S7 edge buyers, assuming that the negatives outweigh the advantages, at least at this point in time, so it's not surprising that it is not taking all of the options that Google provided with Marshmallow at face value either, what do you think?

source: AA

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posted on 24 Feb 2016, 06:09 26

1. kent-gaga (Posts: 479; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)


can they just make an option for the users to choose?
i;m not bashing, just curious because options is the best option here, right?

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 06:18 12

4. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2630; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


Android 6 already gives this choice by default (how you like to use the sd card) but I do understand their reasoning for removing that option entirely. A big downside of using sd cards as adaptive storage is when apps are installed on the sd card part, they tend to slow down dramatically.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 06:25 6

8. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


Use class 12 and above.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 06:35 16

18. Clars123 (Posts: 555; Member since: 16 Mar 2015)


that's the problem..people don't want to pay for high speed, quality cards....Samsung would rather do this than let them utilise cheap cards,slow down the devices then bitch about lag
Same with LG

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 06:38 1

21. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


Samsung have sd cards which are expensive, where people won't pay. Stupid, then complain.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 10:05

87. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3208; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


think its more of a ploy to get income from samsung cards.
smart i guess

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 06:52 5

25. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2630; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


You would have to buy SanDisk Extreme Pro for instance, which is UHS-II and on paper comes close to S7 internal memory speeds. But doesn't come close to real life performance.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 07:21 6

31. elitewolverine (Posts: 5003; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


No phone actually supports UHS-2. Go watch the Note 4 use a 100MB/s card, which if you read the package says with adapter only, and watch the note 4 never get above ~40MB/s

Those are s**t speeds when my 30buck Lumia with internal storage can hit 300-350MB/s.

Until phones can actually use that speed, adaptive storage will make a phone slower and slower. Then you are relying on so many factors of sdcard reliability.

I like that Samsung has choose this path, I do wish they did more of a thing like windows phone but as long as devices ship with 32GB im good.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 07:36 14

39. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


I have a 80/100 mb speed card and using test app on my moto x play its run at this speed so not my fault if samsung use crappy sd card reader.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:02 9

45. Ordinary (Posts: 2136; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


Lol Samsung is literally the king of memory speed in both microsds and SSDs

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 13:43 1

127. kevin91202 (Posts: 514; Member since: 08 Jun 2014)


Which is still slower than Samsung's UFS 2.0 internal storage speeds. The S6 can hit more than 300MB/sec in sequential read. Let's see your mSD card hit that.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 22:22

148. elitewolverine (Posts: 5003; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


I'm not calling you a liar, but you might want to help him out...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-play/help/kingston-microsdxc-uhs-u3-slow-internal-t3322074

posted on 25 Feb 2016, 11:45 1

152. M.O.A.B (Posts: 142; Member since: 13 Feb 2015)


"so not my fault if samsung use crappy sd card reader"
That is one of the stupidest comments i have ever seen so far

So you are saying that samsung is using a crappy sd card reader despite them using UFS 2.0 as internal storage and using finest and greatest component in every department in their flagship .. yeah seems legit

And here's where your hating toward samsung shines ,, you failed to mention LG despite making the same decision about sd cards

And not everyone have the same as your lovely sd card

The problem is that there is 14 retarded thumped you up \:

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:47 5

66. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2630; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


The new Samsung S7 and LG G5 both support UHS-2

http://bgr.com/2016/02/22/best-galaxy-s7-lg-g5-microsd-cards/

But a 64 GB card will set you back 180 dollars and the 128 GB card will be 300 dollars

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:49 5

67. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 7836; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Anyone who would compare the speed of internal storage to an sdcard, already has lost the battle.

The controller for an sdcard isnt going to handle data the same as internal storage which is mounted on the PCB and transfers data at the speed of the BUS.

That's liek trying to compare a floppy drive speed to the speed of the HDD/SSD.

A class 10 card is fast enough not to slow a phone down.
SDcards in my usage have not caused any noticeable change in speed. EVER!

If you buy some cheap card, which I have no idea how bad they could be since i dont buy cheap stuff, I will never have to find out.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:52 11

69. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Techie if you adopt the sd as internal you can still move apps to the onboard memory so basically you need speed put it on the onboard memory thats all.

Still not experienced slower game loading using them from the SD so yeah maybe for bigger file transfert i will see the difference?

Still no reason to remove the features they could just turn it off by default.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 22:23

149. elitewolverine (Posts: 5003; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


I am only comparing speed. Look what happened to encryption, we got plenty of users complaining to the carrier(s) that their phone slowed down and now they want a replacement.

When you hybrid storage, and half data is one place and another another place, then it slows it down. Noticable to the user on a single app? Probably not. Start doing many things...and yes. Then what happens when the sd card fails?

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 13:08

124. Neros (Posts: 1016; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)


Why would I need to exceed the 80-90MB/s write/read speeds. 4K recording requires 30MB/s write speed. Having card with 200MB/s is a waste of cash.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 18:04

134. j2001m (Posts: 2755; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


I think you all need to read this, this will make your ufs be turned off the phone will lag like craphttp://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage

Also sd cards are not made to be used as the main disk in most case it may go wrong and you will note the basic user will use cheap cards

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 18:22 1

137. j2001m (Posts: 2755; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


This make a big problem if you use ufs because the speed of the sd card as to be close the the speed of the HD in the phone or you will get the old error your card is to slow, this means, it will happen with all cards, see

Seehttps://source.android.com/devices/storage/adoptable.html

And this part
"
When a user adopts a new storage device, the platform runs a benchmark and compares its performance against internal storage. If the adopted device is significantly slower than internal storage, the platform warns the user about a possibly degraded experience. This benchmark was derived from the actual I/O behavior of popular Android apps. Currently, the AOSP implementation will only warn users beyond a single threshold, but device manufacturers may adapt this fur"

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 06:37 10

20. Bm888 (Posts: 390; Member since: 06 Jul 2015)


Samsung's decision ..for me is satisfactory. .this time they listened to their own loyalists. .those who are of contrary opinion , mostly are wannabes

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:24 2

54. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 756; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)


yeah, I agree. This is a good decision from LG and Samsung

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:27 14

55. Shocky (Posts: 2068; Member since: 16 May 2012)


What the hell is that supposed to mean? There is no loyalty when it comes to smartphone purchases, if they don't deliver what you need you buy something else, simple as that.

How can you be a wannabe loyalist? that's probably the stupidest thing I read today.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:44 6

64. greyarea (Posts: 166; Member since: 14 Aug 2015)


I also have no idea wtf that's supposed to mean. Other than fanboys get pretty defensive when other people don't immediately jump on board.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 10:23 1

98. Bm888 (Posts: 390; Member since: 06 Jul 2015)


in my case *wannabes refer to those other oems fanboys who always critic Samsung no matter anything

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 09:27 6

81. JunitoNH (Posts: 1585; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)


For me too, glad Samsung is doing it; as for me I'm glad bought a Moto and taking advantage of the feature. Also, people have to understand, when you power up device, it gives you the option how you want to treat the card.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 18:04

135. j2001m (Posts: 2755; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


I think you all need to read this, this will make your ufs be turned off the phone will lag like craphttp://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage

Also sd cards are not made to be used as the main disk in most case it may go wrong and you will note the basic user will use cheap cards

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 07:18

30. phonearenarocks (Posts: 206; Member since: 26 Mar 2015)


You know certain Samsung TVs which have built in support to record videos to external devices conduct performance tests and determine device as compatible or not.

Samsung could have easily done this and added the Adoptive memory feature.

Samsung surely had a chance to make more incredible phone that no phone released this year would have been able to catch up but they missed the trick, with a number of other features as well.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 07:53 9

42. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Its already included in android 6.0 the system test the memory card to make sure its not slow and fast enuf.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 18:27

138. j2001m (Posts: 2755; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Hm the problem is the res test to see if it close to the speed of the included HD, hm and that will be the problem, it's not even going to get close to ufs, it does not get close to Emmc so ther be loads of errors and lag and so on, that and the basic customer will have no idea what they doing

It's clear it a problem with ufs and why lg as not included it also

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 18:10

136. j2001m (Posts: 2755; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


I do not think it works with ufs anyways, only e,mc phones, the speed gap is to big

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 07:35 10

38. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


No slow down noticed on my moto x play using a high speed sd card.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 09:28 8

82. JunitoNH (Posts: 1585; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)


+1 Amen neither have I.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 18:28

139. j2001m (Posts: 2755; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Your moto X uses Emmc, with no vm skin

Samsung skin now does not lag due to ufs, it will lag like crap I. This setup

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 16:10

130. cheetah2k (Posts: 1490; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


I agree @Kent-gaga...

If this is software, Samsung should just apply a switch in settings so that each user can decide for themselves..!! Is it really that difficult Sammy???

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 21:07

146. catze86 (Posts: 503; Member since: 07 Dec 2015)


It is about OS matter, not the skin. if you want that on-of feature. Just ask Google for that.

posted on 25 Feb 2016, 00:23

150. joey_sfb (Posts: 5242; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


The Official Marshmallow do prompt user whether they want to treat the newly inserted microSD card as media storage or internal storage.

Samsung fear their customer would buy a cheapo fake microSD card and imagine the kind of damage it would do to the phone if treated as part of the internal storage. The phone would constantly reboot when it address the spoil microSD card.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 18:02

133. j2001m (Posts: 2755; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


I think you all need to read this, this will make your ufs be turned off the phone will lag like craphttp://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage

Also sd cards are not made to be used as the main disk in most case it may go wrong and you will note the basic user will use cheap cards

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 06:27 13

9. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


You know how dumb people are right? If someone uses that model and experiences incompatibility of card with other devices or unexpected formatting of card, guess what will they do?

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 06:42 10

22. NoToFanboys (Posts: 1015; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


People here expects everyone to be tech nerds, get used to it Tyrion.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:29 14

56. Shocky (Posts: 2068; Member since: 16 May 2012)


Tech nerds? no, just be sensible enough to use Google and confirm something before making silly claims.

It's not too much to ask.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 19:30

145. NoToFanboys (Posts: 1015; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


As tyrion said, you know how dumb people are.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 07:23 6

32. elitewolverine (Posts: 5003; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


They will freaking call their carrier...I know because I deal with it daily. The IQ of users is about 70, in tech speak.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:04 10

47. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Not a single client called for any moto device using this feature.
Not a single one deleted is sd by error.

Its very well made and tell you several time its will erase the sim if put at internal memory.

So tired of all those apologist thats say crap to cover Shamesung.
LG not better if they do the same crap on this.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:07 3

49. maherk (Posts: 3352; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


Oh dear God, he is back to his clients and my store stories, but this time with a little bit of twist, Moto is replacing HTC lmao

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:32 12

58. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Can you stop been an ass maherk?

Do you need me to give you screenshot to prove how well this features is made thats no one can be dumb enuf to make a mistake unless they cant read?

So tired of morons who dont bring nothing to the arguments beside insult.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:40 1

61. maherk (Posts: 3352; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


I would love a photo of the store you own, with those "clients" waiting in line to trade their cr@ppy Galaxies and iPhones.
A sign next to them that says F U MAHERK would be very welcomed lol

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:54 9

71. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Tempting but i dont feel like taking a pic putting it on the web and linking it here instead look below and learn exactly how its work for sd card adoption as internal memory the link i gave explain it in detail.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 09:05

75. maherk (Posts: 3352; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


I never expected you to do so anyways lol
We don't need pictures, you've slipped so many times and been caught red handed while telling us about your imaginary experiences in your imaginary store with again, your imaginary clients.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 10:06 9

88. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Imaginary surewww.globemobilte.com
Website of the store i work.
its a Telus store btw.

Wanted a picture here some sorry i wont show you my face so you can then share this picture and make fun of it :P

Just want to shut you up.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1wxn0bh2bke5pjs/IMG_20160224_110228.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aer7y7flrtn2giq/IMG_20160224_110503478.jpg?dl=0

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 10:24 4

101. maherk (Posts: 3352; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


Thank you for shutting me up.
And I ll be a man about it and apologize for doubting you.
So here it is, I sincerely apologize for my harsh and childish comments :)

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 10:25

102. maherk (Posts: 3352; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


And hey, I said F U MAHERK, not what you wrote!
This one doesn't count lol

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 10:43 4

113. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


lol look i can be pretty vocal sometime and i admit its might make ppl mad and i apologize for this.

But i work directly with ppl using those phone so i know the reality vs what ppl on tech website and review try to make you beleive.

Its sad but the reality is usually much different than what we been told on PA lol...

No harm done and no hard feeling.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 10:47 4

116. maherk (Posts: 3352; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


But you're still biased against Samsung lol
But who am I to judge, I can be pretty biased towards Samsung at times.

Anyways, I am glad you was the bigger man in this case and accepted my apology.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:36 12

59. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Next time Maherk unless you have something to bring to the convo just shut up.

https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/109134/p/1449,9582

Read and learn!

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:54 2

70. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 7836; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


They dont have to use this feature. You dont liek it, dont buy it.

It is a nice feature providing you understand what is goign to happen.

many customers are stupid and will not read anything, just clikc. You already know this. Stop acting liek samsung is commiting a crime. If this was Apple you'd have you face all up their ass eating it in praise and glory for making a move to protect the customer.

Liek I watch you bash Samsung over the fact you can insert the Spen backwards in the Note 5. Yeah you can, but what idiot would? The same idot who would earse all their data on an sdcard. if you prevent a mistake from happening, it wont happen. Its that simple.

No one is apologizing for Samsung you fruitcake loser.
In the past when phones had low storage, I use root method to make sdcard work like internal flash. But it sucked because once you do that, you cant share those file with another computer or even another phone.

For me, I do take my sdcard from my device and put it in my PC to transfer files regularly, so such a feature would not work for me and this is how sdcards have always been used in the past. Why break what isnt broke?

You sound so biased and stupid.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 09:09 10

78. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


They can just default it at off and make it possible to turn it on by going in setting.

As for Apple you must be dumb not to know i hate them and find the iphone to be a limited piece of garbage.

I never bashed samsung for S-pen going bad way getting stuck lol i did not even get 1 client for this issue its was overblown on the internet.

as for apologizing you are the looser moronic fool i can still transfert stuff using the cloud its not as convenient but work very well i transfered large files this way.

Beside you are the stupid biased looser because its a features you can turn off so if samsung and lg make it default to off its would had the same effect but with added bonus to have the option to do it.

This is like removing sd card completely saying you have higher onboard memory possible like they did with the S6 nothing more.

posted on 25 Feb 2016, 05:37

151. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


You always write "liek", instead of "like".

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 18:32

140. j2001m (Posts: 2755; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Does the moto use ufs, hm nope, get back to me when the new moto uses ufs and offer this, to then go a way. The setup is not the same, Google own tool ,if you install a stock rom on the s7 and G5 will say the sd card is to slow for the phone for all sd cards, none of them are upto the task

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 08:02 10

46. marorun (Posts: 2881; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Well unless you are a total moron you cant make this mistake.
When you insert the sd card the system ask you what type you want to use.
If you select adopt as internal its clearly say its will erase the SD completely. Its also ask to confirm and say again its will erase the SD.

So sorry but no need to be a tech nerds to read and if you dont know what Erase mean well... dont use a smartphone and go hide...

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