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Wozniak: Jobs would have backed Cook's hard line stance against court order

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Wozniak: Jobs would have backed Cook's hard line stance against court order
Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak told CNBC yesterday that Steve Jobs would have agreed with the hard line stance taken by current Apple CEO Tim Cook in relation to a court order that Apple is refusing to obey. A federal judge signed the order, demanding that Apple unlock the Apple iPhone 5c that was given to deceased terrorist Syed Farook by his employer.

The law enforcement officials investigating the San Bernadino terrorist attack that killed 14 people, believe that important information is inside the phone, including the names of other terrorists that Farook and his wife might have associated with. Also inside the device could be a list of possible targets that were being looked at by the terrorists. The feds are asking Apple to create a version of iOS that will let them unlock Farook's iPhone, allowing them to get at the information inside. While Cook noted that such software does not exist, he added that creating such such software could be a security risk for all iPhone owners should such software end up in the wrong hands.

Apple does have certain security traps that law enforcement wants disabled. Chief among them is the auto-erase feature that wipes the data on an iPhone after ten unsuccessful attempts to unlock the device with a passcode.

Wozniak told the business cable channel that "I think Steve would have gone for the privacy." Wozniak added that he also agreed with Cook's stance on the matter. While he admits that he is "not intimately involved in the fight," he said that he would battle the court's request vigilantly. Wozniak added that giving in and developing a way for law enforcement to gain back door access to Apple iPhone units could hurt the brand. "I don’t think phones should have back doors," Wozniak said.



source: CNBC

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posted on 19 Feb 2016, 12:34 1

1. Subie (Posts: 641; Member since: 01 Aug 2015)


What about the "Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before" article that RebelwithoutaClue linked to earlier?

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 12:56 8

5. Unordinary (Posts: 1451; Member since: 04 Nov 2015)


http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/18/no-apple-has-not-unlocked-70-iphones-for-law-enforcement/

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:07 6

9. Subie (Posts: 641; Member since: 01 Aug 2015)


Interesting. Yet the article you linked to still states that Apple extracted the data that the Feds wanted on those phones.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:21 6

12. AlikMalix (Posts: 5446; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Interesting, as the article in ordinary posted it also mentions that those devices were running ios7 and Apple had ability to do that... With iOS 8 they volunterily closed that ability so that the government has no way to force them. So it's been years and now we run iOS 9 and guess what - Apple does not have the software to just get in, so the government now askin for software that can change out OS (in lamens terms) with settings that would allow brute force attacks but keep personal info on device (something Apple was rediculed for with the iCloud problem a while back which they patched up.

Basically from the time of then to the time now - things have changed... And Apple was the one behind the drive to change those things because our government is out of control.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 14:14 6

25. marorun (Posts: 3435; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Mr Snowden was behind the drive to change those things not any corporation or governement.

Still you are right for the rest.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 19:07 1

37. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


Appl ALREADY had an encryption back door on previous versions of IOS all that has to happen is this ONE TIME or any subsequent times on this bogus version of IOS they open the terrorist device through allowing the FBI unlimited tries on that one (or more) device(s).

THEN go back to the previously acceptable encryption the HAD already that allowed the authorities to request a decryption with proper subpoenas and a few weeks to "brute force" it at Appl and only by Appl.

That old scheme worked just fine its this half cocked new scheme to sell more iphones to tinhats and terrorists that IS the issue

NO ONE ELSE is doing this crap ONLY Appl to sell more phones...seriously Appl is way off base here

This OLD scheme NEVER violated anyone rights and a "backdoor" brute force was NEVER an issue.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 19:39 1

38. isergio04 (Posts: 5; Member since: 25 Dec 2013)


Apple does have an "e" at the end, right?

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:22 2

13. Unordinary (Posts: 1451; Member since: 04 Nov 2015)


Learn to read, lmao.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:21

32. bucky (Posts: 2491; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


Lol subie, you tried really hard there. 10/10 for effort.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 23:35 1

40. grbrao (Posts: 281; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


We all guys are just unnecessarily fighting about this issue....
Its apples simple publicity stunt for next iphone due to release in march....

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 23:39 1

41. grbrao (Posts: 281; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


just chill guys..............

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 12:35 3

2. BATTERY_LIVES_MATTER (Posts: 101; Member since: 01 Sep 2015)


Apple should comply, but ONLY if there is no way for the back door code to get out of their hands.

Give the gubmint an inch, and the bastards will take a mile.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 12:41 1

3. tedkord (Posts: 10920; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


I'd bet the code does exist, and had the FBI asked privately, the phone would already be unlocked. Let's be honest, if an iPhone 7 prototype went missing and was recovered encrypted and locked, it'd be unlocked and all evidence on it recovered within a day.

But I agree, the government should not have access to any backdoors. Hand the phone over to Apple, let them copy and give you the data. They can keep the special version of iOS themselves.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 12:58

6. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2621; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


It certainly does exist, they've done it 70 times.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/17/apple-unlocked-iphones-for-the-feds-70-times-before.html

They're only stopping now because it might ‘tarnish the Apple brand.’

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:22 4

14. AlikMalix (Posts: 5446; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Shut up and see post # 9 above.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:31 1

17. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2621; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


GTFO and see post 16 below.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:23 2

33. bucky (Posts: 2491; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


That still has nothing to do with your try hard post. You lost.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 18:56

36. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


Exactly.... Appl was losing dominance in Smartphones and their only hope in light of overpriced products getting creamed by Android in mobile devices and Microsoft in all other stuff was to take the "Privacy and Security" ad tagline... theycrowed about it and finally a landmark terrorist even put the spotlight on this bogus sales tactic. Go back an watch tim the toolman at every event "we don't use your data" "we protect data "...while they do NOTHING to fix XARA flaws in bothe IOS and OSX and OPEN their technology to CHINA to sell more iphones threre agin its appl selling $849 phones an an ad tagline.

The reason Apple complied is because before they had encryption that only they could brute force when a valid an legal request came in....no one cared or cried "privacy violation" because these like the current one were for getting evidence on scumbags and terrorists and took several weeks.

No in order to sell more iPhones Appl endangers society with the "we cannot help" tagline and will no bear the full anger of the US government..all to sell more $849 iPhones to tinhat privacy pumping fanbois and terrorists...its sickening and so obvious

Many will leave Appl over helping terrorism and never use or support them again..with every passing day Appl looses credibility and looks more like a criminal "above the law" BS company.

I hope they ban iPhone from US sale and we'll see the whiny bitch appl open wide and take it in the Tim rear,This could be the end of Appl the last straw. They will look like whiny bitches aiding and helping terrorism on US soil.

Apple refusing to help combat terrorism.

Even the users are agreeing to help terrorist. That's including you.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 23:20 1

39. Norris (Posts: 121; Member since: 26 Jun 2015)


Are you TechieXP?

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 12:46

4. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2621; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


Hey guys, what do you think of the following headline claiming Apple has unlocked the iPhone for the feds 70 times before:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/17/apple-unlocked-iphones-for-the-feds-70-times-before.html

I think it's proof of what I said earlier; it's all just them looking to fool the general public into thinking they can't do it, trying to avoid tarnishing their brand...won't be the first time they've lied.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:01 4

7. Unordinary (Posts: 1451; Member since: 04 Nov 2015)


http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/18/no-apple-has-not-unlocked-70-iphones-for-law-enforcement/

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:41 1

35. Raito (Posts: 58; Member since: 15 Aug 2014)


I think you're trying to hard to mock Apple LoL

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:03 4

8. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2158; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


You might want to read your source material better. The San Bernardino iPhone 5c is on iOS 9. None of those 70 were on iOS 8 or 9, where full encryption is default.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:12 4

10. Ordinary (Posts: 2271; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


Actually it says that they managed to unlock it on version 8.1.2

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:19 4

11. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2158; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


They have only extracted data for law enforcement on phones running iOS 7 or older. There have been zero unlocks, and nothing on iOS 8 or 9, since Apple does not have master encryption keys.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:24 3

15. Ordinary (Posts: 2271; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


Yea extracted, my bad. They still did on 8.1.2 according to article.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:30

16. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2621; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


And guess what? This iPhone 5c is not running on iOS 8 nor 9, so what exactly stops apple from using the tool they've already been using? Yet they said the software doesn't exist:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Cook-says-software-being-requested-by-court-does-not-presently-exist_id78427

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:35 1

18. Ordinary (Posts: 2271; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


Actually that 5c is running on iOS 9.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:36

20. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2621; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


Sorry, I meant this iPhone 5s:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/After-three-months-Apple-wants-a-judge-to-rule-whether-it-must-unlock-an-iPhone-5s-for-the-DOJ_id78302

Now I'm kinda confused, we're dealing with two different cases here, aren't we? One involving a 5s and one involving a 5c?

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 14:05 3

24. Ordinary (Posts: 2271; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


Yep its a different case. The guy with 5s is a methamphetamine distributor while the guy with 5c is a terrorist.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:36

19. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2621; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


...Deleted...

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:41 3

21. PopeFrancis (Posts: 59; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


In my opinion, the interesting part of this Apple-FBI situation, is not whether they have or they have not the capability of extracting the information, is the fact that they have extracted it before and now they are playing thee "moral guy" card. This is just a matter of improving their public image.

Again, just my opinion.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 14:45

28. tedkord (Posts: 10920; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


What's your opinion on Donald Trump, Your Holiness?

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 16:25

31. PopeFrancis (Posts: 59; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


I don't like the guy, but I don't consider myself qualified or informed enough on the topic, for emitting an opinion beyond that.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:45 2

22. technitude (Posts: 107; Member since: 19 Dec 2013)


The FBI probably has access to their ATM pins, Voicemail pins, etc. I'd guess that there is greater than a 50% chance that one of those pins will log onto the phone. They also should have access to their email records...

The FBI has been whining about phone encryption for a while. I am wondering if these dead terrorist are being used as a good case for the FBI to get what they want.

I do not mind if all the info gets extracted from the phone, what I do not know is why this cannot all stayed contained within a controlled (Apple) environment. Why expose a billion phones to corruptible security?

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 13:50

23. zeppo (Posts: 66; Member since: 21 Jul 2015)


FBI should give the phone to Apple then they will unlock and extract the data in their super duper secret lair. Apple will only give the data back to FBI. In that case, nobody get to know what kind of backdoor method Apple use. Its a win-win for both. Imho, Apple just make some excuse.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 14:18 1

26. marorun (Posts: 3435; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Apple making excuses and FBI as well so they can have a custom made backdoor.

Two side both devils :)

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 14:18

27. natypes (Posts: 1086; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)


baba booey

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:20 1

29. Dingy_cellar_dweller (Posts: 250; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


Apple is supporting terrorist's and should be fined one billion a day till they comply.

Stop using a dead man as a crouch.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:25 5

34. bucky (Posts: 2491; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


The fbi wants a tool created. What makes you think that once it's created it won't be used again at their own will?

I'm all for catching these nutjobs but there's other ways to do. Glad apple is doing this and Google is backing them.

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