Samsung plans on appealing the verdict of the second patent trial
Apple and Samsung can now each file with the judge, a request for a sales ban in the U.S. on products that were found to have infringed on the other firm's patents. Apple had been seeking $2.2 billion from Samsung while Samsung had filed a cross-claim for $6.2 million. In the first trial, Apple was awarded $930 million.
1. Ashoaib (Posts: 2387; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
Yeah, true! It should be 120$ only not million
19. flipjzn (Posts: 185; Member since: 22 Jun 2012)
Or a bigger fine? Lol
Good luck Samsung :)
2. ajac09 (Posts: 1367; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Id just had pay it raised cost of dealing with apple and get my lawyers in place for the bigger battleground.. in the sales department.
3. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2057; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
Will this Apple vs. Samsung drama ever end?
7. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Yes, when the Apple is rotten and Sam is tired of singing song.
33. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
When will this patent troll company plummet
29. Altair (Posts: 337; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
It will end as soon as Shamesung stops stealing. It is as simply as that.
34. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
The patent troll company which every tech sites and every Oems in the world knows that Apple steals what belong to others
The company that wants no Oems to succeed
Apple hates competition
Apple loves dictatorship
Everyone wants democracy
So sad to know that Apple has inclined you like them
4. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3649; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Samsung has a long history of stealing and copying and fighting/delaying in courts, finally settling after years when they've gotten all the benefits of stealing and copying.
In a nutshell, Samsung's business model is: 'Infringe First and Stall as Long as Possible'
6. fzacek (Posts: 2113; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
There are things about technology that should be shared instead of patented and claimed. Samsung usually doesn't copy other OEM's, they just use the technology that is available to them, just like any other manufacturer would do.
11. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3649; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
I guess you missed that huge document Samsung made about the iPhone and how to copy it? While what you say may be true in some general sense, Samsung definitely ripped off Apple and copied many things about the iPhone, about how Apple advertises, how Apple does marketing, etc. All of which basically resulted in massive profits for Samsung.
IMO, the biggest negative of how things work now in the "first to file" patent system is that many small businesses are no longer viable, due to the high costs of related to patents/IP. These big giants may fight and fight, but the real casualties are not in the news.
14. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5922; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"IMO, the biggest negative of how things work now in the "first to file" patent system is that many small businesses are no longer viable, due to the high costs of related to patents/IP."
First-to-file benefits the large, established companies who know all about a particular technology. Their scientists can predict where opportunities exist for new innovations and can pre-emptively file. First-to-file does not require the patent application to provide a working prototype, so there is no bar for filing a bunch of patent claims that tie up potential applications of a particular technology.
One step forward and two steps backward, IMO.
21. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3649; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Strongly agree. Big business legislated a huge tilt of the table in their favor with "first to file".
In the bigger picture, big business basically killed one of the fundamental pillars of the American dream -- the ability of the individual to utilize "Yankee know how" to make something new and receive the benefits of doing so.
20. willard12 (Posts: 869; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
I guees you missed "good artists copy, great artists steal."
12. wilsong17 (Posts: 1076; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)
Wait you mean to tell me my note 3 who is 5.5 inch is a copy of the iPhone
17. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5922; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Actually…. If Apple does in fact produce a large-screened (5.5 inches, anyone?) edition of the iPhone, they arguably are infringing on a Sammy innovation. I wonder if Sammy managed to file a design patent on the phablet concept?
26. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1262; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Huge difference between similar sizes (5.5" iPhone and a Galaxy Note) vs completely copying trade dress (iPhone and Galaxy S).
15. Ashoaib (Posts: 2387; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
Keep saying that and law will keep finding that apple also has a long history of copying/stealing... read the full story, it says apple also found copying/ infringing samsung
22. Lt.Green (Posts: 394; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
+1 The article from Vanity Fair was so one sided, Apple is no better.
24. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3649; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
In the big picture, I am no fan of Apple. But in this particular case, or set of cases, it seems pretty clear that Samsung ripped off Apple, lock, stock, and barrel.
23. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3649; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
And if you read the Vanity Fair article, you will see how Samsung uses its own patents as part of the "stalling" process.
25. Ashoaib (Posts: 2387; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
And as if it is hidden & no one knows how apple uses/trolles its patents?
27. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3649; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
One cannot look at every right/wrong in the same court case. Maybe it would be better if we could. But we can't. And unfortunately due to changes in the US patent system where it is now "first to file", we will see eventually thousands, if not millions, of terrible patent lawsuits for things that should never have gotten a patent in the first place.
Take for instance, Amazon patenting a basic photo studio setup that has been use for over 40 years.
30. engineer-1701d (Posts: 1142; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
And apple has a long history of copy and steal everyone and then sue them saying they made it and did it first. Samsung won this one but still apple needs to know there place and be shutdown to stop them from killing off smaller company's and not paying for things they use Samsung's 3g pattern was said to not matter because its a frand pattern and company needs it to sell anything but apple tries to sue anyone that has a rectangular phone saying they came up with it f you apple your company is doomed to fall again like the 90's
5. fzacek (Posts: 2113; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
I wouldn't really have a problem if both companies just banned each other's products and stopped producing them. Just saying...
9. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Then it will be the rise of Sony, LG, HTC, Oppo etc. Huehuehuehue...
8. joey_sfb (Posts: 3143; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Of course they are going to appeal. I am 100% certain that Apple would appeal too! They are going after the holy grail. Ban all possible forms of competition.
Its just business. For an average consumer like me its still value for money.
16. Ashoaib (Posts: 2387; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
Yes, I care about value for money not about whoes patents are infringed
28. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3649; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Not really. If there is one producer of a quality good and no substitutes, and high demand, then you will likely end up more value for your money.
What you are talking about is price, i.e. the ability for some company to make cheap knock-offs, as Samsung did.
It is only recently that Samsung has succeeded in copying Apple so completely that even their prices are close to the same.
38. Ashoaib (Posts: 2387; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
You are a fool or just sounds fool? "Succeeded in copying apple so completely" so apple has dotted pattern back cover? Super Amoled screen? removable back cover? 13/16mp camera? 2gb/3gb RAM? Memory card expansion? Removable bettery cover? Andriod with touchwiz? 5.1 or 5.7 inch screen?..... wah wah wah, no doubt thats really a complete copy
10. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5922; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Sales ban is not gonna happen while an appeal is pending. Apple asked for a sales ban the last time around. And they got bupkis.
13. joey_sfb (Posts: 3143; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Sales ban is bad for the consumer. Its give one party a direct monopoly.
18. flipjzn (Posts: 185; Member since: 22 Jun 2012)
Good luck! i hope the jury doesnt end up with bigger fine instead. Lol
31. engineer-1701d (Posts: 1142; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
As the jury go hone to there new apple products in the mall Lil. "O no I bought that before the trail, I had a few thousand put a side for a new phone and computer and TV box" sure u did. I bet apple will sue Samsung when they release a TV saying apple did led first
32. papss (unregistered)
SS give it up already.. you lost many many times. Just pay and move on.
35. networkdood (Posts: 6310; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Seems like you missed the part where Apple plans to appeal this verdict....oops
37. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Apple still doesn't learn, they was saved by the President, or else Apple would had to stop selling iPhones
36. PBXtech (Posts: 981; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
Both sides need to pay each other the millions awarded by this trial, then move on. I think everyone is fed up with this case, it's time to start acting like adults and going back to work making products for the consumers.