Rendering of Motorola's edge-to-edge bezeless phone shows how the concept might look
Without channeling the late Steve Jobs, a bezel free phone would require the user to hold it in a certain way as to prevent your palm from setting off a touch input. Perhaps Motorola followed the example set by laptop manufacturers. The latter uses special software to prevent a user's palm from accidentally clicking on a link with a wayward palm.
So what's the verdict? Would you like to see smartphones go bezel-free or would you prefer to have some type of barrier between the edge of your phone and the edge of the screen.
I made a thin rim around it to avoid pressing the screen by mistake. And I added some more room at the top and bottom to make room for the speaker and to hold in landscape mode.
The top and bottom rim is made out of glass and has a notification LEDs that light up the whole glass.
I haven't added any power/volume buttons, headphone jack (don't know how to make that work with the glass) or micro-usb. Might also make the rim less like the iPhone (don't know how yet)."-Edalol
source: Edalol via RedmondPie
The creator of the concept says to prevent accidental inputs with your palm, you need to hold the device a certain way in portrait (L) and landscape mode
2. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 03 Sep 2012, 20:19 1 0
44. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 03 Sep 2012, 23:57 0 0
looking at the rendering I don't feel bezel is a must for phones.
26. phitch posted on 03 Sep 2012, 21:49 1 0
What does it look like exactly, because if you are looking at the bottom picture then you aren't doing it right, champ.
55. Jphones posted on 04 Sep 2012, 02:26 0 0
where you see that at genius i would really like to know because i think we all be on phonearena just like you and we've never seen it? yeah thought so
4. KingKurogiii posted on 03 Sep 2012, 20:25 0 5
*facepalm COMBO* this rumored "bezel-less" phone is the Razr M. just look it at and you can see how "bezel-less" is merely a slight exaggeration.
10. 305Bucko posted on 03 Sep 2012, 20:50 7 0
im not to sure bout that...
...but hey what do you think about this: an edge to edge screen where you can customize your own bezel! =D
>settings >display >bezel:
*auto-hide for fullscreen modes
18. KingKurogiii posted on 03 Sep 2012, 21:15 3 0
I think so. I don't think Moto will have more than the Razr HD and the Razr M (or what I still slightly believe to be the Razr 2) in store for the 5th. I think it's a little more than a coincidence that the Razr M has such a tiny bezel and is certainly going to be announced on the same day as this supposed bezel-less wonder phone.
that would be neat. o:
25. 305Bucko posted on 03 Sep 2012, 21:41 0 0
I dont think they will introduce a bezeless phone either. I think PA is running out of ideas with 2 days left. Gotta keep that hype momentum goin you kno ;)
5. theBankRobber posted on 03 Sep 2012, 20:27 6 0
So they show a picture of am iPhone? How classic of PA
7. jroc74 posted on 03 Sep 2012, 20:29 1 0
lol....I didnt know what you meant until I looked at the 2nd pic.
14. PotDragon posted on 03 Sep 2012, 21:01 2 0
While proving that iphones are not used one handed!
8. jroc74 posted on 03 Sep 2012, 20:31 4 0
Edge to edge screen, bezel free should give us a bigger screen with making the phone that much bigger. I'm all for it.
9. networkdood posted on 03 Sep 2012, 20:38 2 0
Yep, I want the bezel to go, or, be as small as possible - the more screen space the better.
11. TROLL posted on 03 Sep 2012, 20:51 7 0
O come on Motorola, why the curves! Why not also Edge2Edge frames?
But really like the looks....!
15. theBankRobber posted on 03 Sep 2012, 21:01 3 0
Well thet way I guess apple can't sue for the rectangle patent they so call claim to own. Lol
16. Berzerk000 posted on 03 Sep 2012, 21:02 2 7
Am I the only one who think edge to edge screens look ugly, no matter what the device they're on? I mean, any concept design I see with no bezel just makes me go, "Bleh."
31. 305Bucko posted on 03 Sep 2012, 22:03 2 1
I have to agree with you, not sure why all the thumbsdown. I think, when done right, a bezel adds a sense style to the phone (like picture frames on paintings). I too find every bezel-less concept out there "not attractive" :/
33. phitch posted on 03 Sep 2012, 22:11 1 1
How does a black border give style to a phone? Content matters, a bezel isn't content. Being able to see more of a website, more video, more gaming and not having to see the black border sounds nice to me. Plus, since screens aren't black when they are off but rather a dark grey the bezel never matches.
37. Berzerk000 posted on 03 Sep 2012, 22:32 2 0
What was a good example that you missed in his comment is this,
"I think, when done right, a bezel adds a sense style to the phone (like picture frames on paintings)."
Which is exactly right. What would pictures be without their frames? Just not as appealing. Without a bezel, it just seems... Not right. Like something is off. To each his own I suppose.
40. phitch posted on 03 Sep 2012, 23:16 0 1
You aren't talking about pictures, we are talking about a phone. Go to a movie theater and ask them to add a bezel to the movie, tell me that it looks better.
41. KingKurogiii posted on 03 Sep 2012, 23:17 2 0
you're not holding a movie theater screen in your hands.
43. phitch posted on 03 Sep 2012, 23:35 1 1
Which has nothing to do with appearance, if you are going to make a statement please do so in the context of the argument. You aren't holding a picture with a frame in your hand either, but I don't see you disagreeing with that statement.
46. HäckeMáte posted on 04 Sep 2012, 00:33 0 0
Even movie theatres have curtains. They decorate add elegance and compliment the screen.
Some manufacturers use cheap plastic and I can see why you would prefer no bezel. If you dont like bezels good for you, but why must you shove your no-bezel preference down everybodys throat?
47. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 00:44 1 2
Down everyone's throat? I am sorry, I didn't realize the audience of PhoneArena included everyone, nor did I realize that I was shoving it down their throat. Movie Theaters generally don't have curtains they are considered a major fire hazard.
You realize that you are the only one shoving anything down anyone's throat. If Motorola creates a non-bezeled phone guess what, you don't have to buy it. You don't have to look at it, you don't have to like it, and you will still have plenty of alternatives to it. What is the purpose of coming into an article about a phone with no bezel to state that you think it is ugly and you like bezels?
50. 305Bucko posted on 04 Sep 2012, 00:49 0 0
ummm they do have curtains and they are fire-retardant... yes retardant like yourself. WOW how non observant, I can see why you are going all Nazi on this "no-bezel" concept.
52. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 01:57 1 2
Show me a picture of a modern theater with curtains please.
51. HäckeMáte posted on 04 Sep 2012, 00:56 0 0
""What is the purpose of coming into an article about a phone with no bezel to state that you think it is ugly and you like bezels?""
ummm beeecause THATS the purpose of comments??? O_o
I dont even know why Im replying to that question its so retarded.
53. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 01:58 1 2
So the purpose of your comment was to simply state your opinion? Yet, you think that the purpose of my comment is to shove my opinion down people's throats? You don't find that ironic in the least?
58. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 03:26 1 0
the underlying tone of your entire first comment was "you're wrong for not sharing my taste in phone design philosophy" everybody here seems to sense that but you.
60. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 03:49 0 2
Everybody? Generalizing much? I never said anyone was wrong, I simply stated an opinion. You can't convey tone in a statement, nor did I attack a single person. If you implied a tone, then the fault belongs with you or anyone else looking at a statement as having some sort of tone to it.
63. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 04:09 1 0
okay then, let me put it in a way that you can understand. everybody that is deciding to take place in this discussion so far believes you're in the wrong. your problem is that you stated your opinion to someone as something that should be regarded as fact. when you said "Content matters, a bezel isn't content." it set a tone of "i'm right, you're wrong" for the rest of your comment. it's so elementary.
66. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 04:23 0 2
Opinion is not fact, sorry. No matter how many times you attempt to rephrase it, it was an opinion. You can keep telling everyone you thought it was a fact, it wasn't and I never said it was.
71. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 04:51 1 0
okay then, what's the difference between saying "i think content matters more than having a bezel." and "content matters, a bezel isn't content."?
79. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 05:24 0 2
Context, you should probably add it when you argue... " Being able to see more of a website, more video, more gaming and not having to see the black border SOUNDS NICE TO ME."
81. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 05:28 0 2
yeah, i realize what the rest of the comment said but it's what you said before that that set the tone for the rest of the comment. it's simple writing logic.
83. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 05:31 1 1
That is obviously how it works... if someone says a phrase, you take only part of the phrase and then claim the rest doesn't count! Oh, that is exactly how it doesn't work! You need to take everything in context. I made an opinion, you took one part of it and you are attempting to convey tone to the entire statement without showing the rest. You must work in politics.
84. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 05:36 0 2
so do you deny that what you said before doesn't matter then? i couldn't help but notice too that you didn't answer my earlier question...
86. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 05:41 0 1
I am saying you need to take the statement in it's entirety not one single part of it because it helps you attempt to make some convenient non-existant point. I can't help but notice you are trying to bait me into saying something that was never there because you don't want to read a statement in its entirety but rather take a part of it to somehow feel offended about. Does being offended make you feel good about yourself?
89. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 06:29 0 1
oh so you're just halfway in the wrong then? xD
if a drop of red dye drips into a body of water then it changes to red guy. bait you? what would i be trying to bait you for? because if you answer correctly it may incriminate you? hmm...
57. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 03:22 0 1
for the same reason that someone would come in excited about the lack of bezel on a device, to express opinion. everybody is entitled to express their sense of aesthetic taste here without being attacked. it adds a fresh perspective. it's kind of silly to tell somebody what makes a device "look" right.
62. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 04:08 0 1
So, it is silly to tell someone what makes a device look right but you argue aesthetics in your next post? Keep to one argument please. Also, I realize it is the internet and everybody has an opinion but if you don't like a phone's design why post that? I don't like the iPhone, I don't go into forums about the iPhone's design and post that I dislike it. I don't like a lot of Samsung designs either, I don't post in their forums about it.
There isn't a single thing you or I can do to influence the design except to not buy the phone. Telling people on the internet that you dislike the phones design isn't going to do anything, it certainly isn't a constructive use of time either.
65. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 04:23 0 1
i didn't argue about what made a device look right one bit. a phone is going to be one way with a bezel and another way without one in practical and aesthetic ways. i was just explaining why i think a bezel would appeal to someone more. my earlier comment stands. some people like Bezerk and Bucko here just like to discuss these kinds of things in the comment section, that's what it's for.
67. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 04:25 0 1
You didn't? "picture frames are aesthetically pleasing because there is a simple, practical logic behind them, same for phone/tablet bezels, it's to an extent but it's there." You want to go back over your statement? You clearly inferred that phones have a bezel for aesthetic purposes.
69. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 04:46 0 1
i'm not saying that you should share that opinion but it's an opinion i have that would explain why a bezel is okay to have. i've never said that my view was right and that yours was wrong. i'm not telling you what you should think matters.
72. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 04:56 0 1
And I said "If Motorola creates a non-bezeled phone guess what, you don't have to buy it. You don't have to look at it, you don't have to like it, and you will still have plenty of alternatives to it." I never said my opinion was correct and I stated that if you don't like it there are going to be options for you.
The point being, if you don't like something you don't need to express your point of view about that in an article about the thing you dislike. As I said, it would be like me telling people I dislike the iPhone design in an iPhone article. Would be the purpose in me doing so? What does it add to the conversation?
74. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 05:07 0 1
he gave a different perspective, that adds tons to a conversation. it's really not such a big deal that he has a different opinion on design that he shouldn't be able to express it. if you're going to be offended by somebody not liking something then maybe you should stay off of the comment section.
77. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 05:13 0 1
It doesn't add anything to the conversation. Saying it does is like me saying "I like hot dogs" in a forum about hamburgers. What value did his statement about not liking it add? Does it make you suddenly dislike it?
80. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 05:25 0 1
you make it sound like his comment was completely irrelevant to the topic matter. it was a comment about design philosophy on an article about a device following a new design philosophy. he wasn't trying to convert anybody to his way of thinking. he's just personably expressing his opinion for us. you're the only one that seems to mind that.
90. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 06:33 0 1
No, I added my opinion that having more space would be nice. You are the only one who seems to mind that.
94. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 06:59 0 0
yeah, but in the process you're also trying to shoot down someone else's opinion. it's design philosophy, a completely subjective subject matter.
56. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 03:17 0 1
ah, i see you fail to see the point. there are practical purposes for a picture frame as well as aesthetic purposes whether it's for preservation or decor anyone with any common sense here can understand why would use a picture frame. an edge to edge display would compromise practical use by making the screen more vulnerable to damage from a fall and by impairing one's ability to hold the device comfortably. picture frames are aesthetically pleasing because there is a simple, practical logic behind them, same for phone/tablet bezels, it's to an extent but it's there. there would be no practical reason to add a bezel to a movie theater screen so your point is moot.
61. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 04:02 1 2
You fail to see my point because you are simply trying to argue. There is no such thing as "aesthetics" that apply to all situations. What you find appealing is not what someone else might. If you watch a movie on a phone what is the practical use of the bezel? If you buy a phone and put a protective case around it as most people do then the bezel become redundant doesn't it?
There is no practical reason to add a bezel to a phone. The bezel does not protect the screen, it isn't a bumper, the case does that. That is why most phones tend to have the outside trim. The bezel is actually an extension of the outer part of the top screen. Since most phones tend to have screens that are made in layers. Most people who drop phones don't tend to drop them on their edge, and even if they do on cement the bezel doesn't protect the screen from cracking. Most damage occurs when a phone is dropped directly on it's face.
The Galaxy S3 lands on it's side and it cracked, the bezel did nothing to stop it. Damage occurs so randomly that it doesn't really matter if you have a bezel or not.
You also don't know how a device is going to be handled or how they would implement a non-bezel screen. It might handle exactly the same.
68. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 04:37 0 1
it goes the other way around too you know. whatever logic someone may have for liking the way something looks is entirely subjective. right now your argument is based on IF somebody gets a case for their device which OEMs can't assume everybody is going to do. i'm not saying a bezel eliminates the chance of there being damage to the screen but a lack of bezel certainly increases that chance.
70. phitch posted on 04 Sep 2012, 04:51 0 1
A bezel doesn't decrease the chances of the screen breaking, it is the case that does that. If the case doesn't provide enough of a buffer to shock it won't matter how the phone lands. Bezels are almost entirely part of the screen now.
There is a protective layer on the top of the phone made of gorilla glass, then you have the bezel and the digitizer underneath. Generally they are all stuck together, so if the top part breaks you need to replace the screen which includes the bezel.
73. KingKurogiii posted on 04 Sep 2012, 05:03 0 1
i'm sorry but where have you seen someone drop a bezel-less phone? again you're basing your argument on having an added accessory for the device. we're talking about device design philosophy, not taking increased protective measures. you don't have to replace the screen if the top part breaks, you just get the top part repaired if it's worth it. the digitizer is a part by itself, not a part of the surrounding bezel.