Has Apple changed in the one year since Steve Jobs passed away?
Jobs was a figure that stood out and he left a company that stands out. The creator of Apple saved his own company from the brink of bankruptcy and grew it to become the world’s biggest firm.
But Steve Jobs was more than just a manager - he was the driving force that brought us first graphical interfaces and then products like the iPhone, iPad and MacBook Air.
Since his passing on October 5th, 2011, former logistics chief Tim Cook took over the company in a smooth and well orchestrated transition. In the past year, Apple has nearly doubled its market value with shares growing from around $370 to nearly $670. Cook has delivered products like the iPhone 5 with its bigger screen and the new iPad with an extremely detailed display that no other company can match yet.
With an almost perfect financial track record, Cook allowed a few cracks in his image allowing unpolished products like Siri and Apple Maps. The big question, though, is has Apple changed a year after Jobs? Is it still the same company ready to shock the industry with a radically new product like the iPhone? Or has that revolutionary halo disappeared? Vote, but don’t hesitate to also share in the comments what do you think changed (or not) at Apple in the past year and what do you expect from the company.
54. addict27 posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:03 7 0
An iPhone bigger than the 'ideal' 3.5" and an upcoming iPad at the 7" 'tweener' size Jobs declared would be "dead on arrival". . . yea the company hasn't changed at all. /s
94. jroc74 posted on 08 Oct 2012, 03:13 0 0
If thats the case.....its 50/50 or a no vote.
They were still trying to sue the pants off of ppl since Jobs died. They have some issues with iOS 6 (maps) and the iPhone 5 (purple halo, lines on keyboards, build issues)
Claimed some features were first for the iPhone 5, when its been on Android since at least 2010, and was probably on Win Mo phones too.
yet the iPhone 5 is the most amazing phone created.
That doesnt look like 100% change to me. Products? I agree somewhat. The company as a whole? Well...I voted no.
57. Doakie posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:33 9 0
I think they've changed in some minor ways.
#1 Their device security has gone to crap, everything is leaking long before release, Steve would have never let that happen. He'd go down to China personally and choke out some Foxconn employees for leaking his products. The fact that Samsung had no leaks with the GS3, and the next Nexus has had practically no leaks blows me away.
#2 They care more about the image that they take better care of their assembly worker life conditions within their factories.
#3 They are more willing to bend to what the consumer desires. Larger iPhone screen and smaller iPad screens, mucking up the screen resolution consistency that made their products so streamlined to develop for. One issue with bending to consumer desires, the profitability(through mass production) of keeping screen sizes small and consistent has gone down. So they gotta make that profit back...in Lightning adapter sales. Lol.
I think I'm correct in my prediction right after Steve died. Apple will(add has) become just like ever other average electronics company. They are going to focus on competing with their competitors head on instead of blazing off in different directions. And also follow market trends and consumer desire more. They've lost their visionary, but they are still full of talented people. So you'll see some great products still coming out of them. But you won't see the same huge directional changing innovation that Steve bought to Apple. I hate Apple to the core and even disliked Steve for his aggressive dictator like hold on their ecosystem, but I can still appreciate the innovation he bought the smartphone industry. If there were more people like Steve the computer industry would be much more advanced today than it already is.
2. adi4u4882 posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:06 31 5
Still the same low class products with a high class price.
3. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:09 21 3
Sorry if it will offend someone but in my opinion Apple is the same pathetic company.
6. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:16 2 14
No, it's only closed, manipulative and rigorous, not pathetic. Pathetic are Samsung and Nokia, those who try to keep the pace with pathetic strategies like brutal insults and comparisons with Apple etc.
9. No_Nonsense posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:19 11 2
If advertising is pathetic, Apple should go out of business right now.
11. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:30 3 7
I never really understood how it is possible for a company to advertise themsleves by mocking the competiton.
In my country it is forbidden as tobacco ads.
12. No_Nonsense posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:34 8 1
Bashing/taking a dig at other brands is fine IMO. But, well what Apple does isn't. By which I mean, marketing every new thing like the best thing since sliced bread, patent trolling, refusing to acknowledge faults in previous products, falsely advertising products like iPhone 5 being the thinnest phone ever, yada yada is not good. Comparatively, Sammy and Nokia ads are better.
24. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:57 1 9
Actually both Sammy and Nokia had great flops with ads recently. Samsung was bragging with their specs and perfromnce just to be defeated or equalled by "underspeced" iPhone in perfomance, and Nokia showed how honest they are with those image stabilization commercials. Then they continued to mock Apple, their buyers and color of devices, in lack of inspiration.
Please, be objective.
45. No_Nonsense posted on 05 Oct 2012, 09:11 3 1
Sorry for posting it twice but anyways here's my reply:
I don't know which Samsung ad was a failure but Nokia did apologise for the ad fiasco. Apple didn't even bother to address the iphone 5 problems except the maps one. And in which way the iphone 5 trumps the S3? I'd like to know everything else than the android authority drop test and the first IP5 benchmark that appeared.
62. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:05 1 4
Samsung's fiasco was that tasteless spec comparison ad that was trying to say that their phone is better, but the truth is that iPhone stand up with this giant by being much smaller, thinner and underspeced. Samsung is unable to make 7,5 mm thick 4-inch screen dual-core phone with that kind of performance and user experience.
69. ILikeBubbles posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:32 2 1
i'm fairly confident that if they wanted to samsung could easily make a 4" screened phone...
and how exactly does screen size impact performance?
72. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 12:35 1 2
It does impact performance, but not directly. Smaller screen size is usually on smaller chassis, and therefore smaller battery, especially if you want smartphone to be extremely thin. So usually manufacturers use weaker batteries and use weaker processors. iPhone 5 has managed to hold very efficient level of battery/performance/size ratio. It's actually a small miracle.
75. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:30 1 1
"It does impact performance, but not directly."
Resolution impact GPU performance but not display size.
1) SoC is not the same thing as CPU.
2) Size doesn't proportional to performnce.
79. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:52 1 2
Display size also affects, just like resolution and density.
In size: more surface needs to be lighten up
In resolution: more pixels needs to be driven
In density: the higher the density, the smaller are transistors, with higher power efficiency.
Size is not proportional to performance, but it is to battery, which has to drive more demanding hardware.
As I said, affects it indirectly.
82. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 14:58 0 1
"In size: more surface needs to be lighten up"
So we are talking about performance or about energy consumptions because backlight doesn't have anything to do with performance.
"In resolution: more pixels needs to be driven"
Display size is not relevant to resolution. Resolution impact GPU performance but not display size!
So you are talking about SoC size or CPU because CPU is inside the SoC. And talking about SoC manufacturing Samsung is all the way in front of Apple!
88. AppleConspiracy posted on 06 Oct 2012, 02:49 0 1
Like I said, it's indirect connection.
Display size calls for larger battery because most of battery drain comes from lighting up the surface of backlight. With smaller screen, this is good for battery life but again you have smaller surface, and by adding the thin body, your battery is smaller, and therefore weaker. So in a small phone you can't have strong processors, because they drain power very fast, so indirectly, it affects performance by design.
89. PhoneArenaUser posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:26 0 0
First decide about what we are talking about performance or about energy consumptions!
"Display size calls for larger battery because most of battery drain comes from lighting up the surface of backlight."
Samsung use OLED based display which don't have any backlight!
"So in a small phone you can't have strong processors, because they drain power very fast, so indirectly, it affects performance by design."
If CPU is powerful, that still doesn't mean that it should eat a lot of energy and even if it eats a lot of energy it may be compensated with other parts small energy consumptions.
I see that you don't understand about what you are talking about, you are just pretending to look competent...
91. AppleConspiracy posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:48 0 1
OLED is not using backlight however in full values of particular subpixels it drains more battery than standard LCD.
I personally think it's achievable to make very efficient processor in samll package worthy of the name "high end". After all, Apple did it. I doubt however, that Samsung is able to that easily, because they are dependent on Android.
13. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:35 3 1
Tell lies, disrespect and ignore customers isn't it pathetic???
I know business is dirty thing but there still is such thing like a business ethics about which Apple also has forgot long time ago and this is also pathetic.
22. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:53 1 7
I'm sorry, but Apple users don't feel cheated, disrespected and lied to. If they did, Apple wouldn't be the richest company in the world with 97% customer satisfaction. Maybe you would wish they are dissatisfied, but they aren't. You are just projecting your enthusiast needs on average users.
33. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 08:19 2 1
"I'm sorry, but Apple users don't feel cheated, disrespected and lied to."
Yes, I agree with you they don't feel cheated, disrespected and lied to. But in this case feelings and reality are two different things.
Let's say that I lied for an person and that person did not realized that I lied, then it doesn't count as a lie and doesn't count as pathetic?
35. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 08:29 1 4
No, it's not lie if person doesn't know that, because the Being of inquiry is based on perception of product, not some external and measurable value.
The true function of the product is to be percieved as a good product.
But, I will nevertheless ask you to state the things in which Apple customers were cheated. A couple of them will be enough to make a point of whether they were trully cheated.
39. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 08:56 8 1
Remember when Apple was claiming that iOS 6 is "The 'world's most advanced mobile operating system." - Isn't this called a lie?
Remember when Apple was claiming that Apple Maps "The most beautiful, powerful mapping service ever." - Isn't this called a lie?
Remember Apple response to customers complaints due to antenna problems "You're holding it wrong!" - Isn't that pathetic disrespect, disregard and lie for customer?
Remember Apple response to customers "Use iMessage instead of SMS!" when there was SMS security problems. - Isn't that pathetic disrespect, disregard and arrogance?
Remember about Phone 5 scratches out of the box and what Apple's response to customers complaints "It is normal!" - Isn't that pathetic disrespect, disregard and lie for customer?
Or remember about Purple tints on Apple iPhone 5 pictures, Apple's response also was "It is normal!" - Isn't that pathetic disrespect, disregard and lie for customer?
Also Apple already knew about some iPhone 5 problems even before release. For example about build quality problems they knew even before release but they just dont care about that and I call it disrespect for customer!
"Foxconn Worker Claims New iPhone 5 is Poorly Made"
47. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 09:16 1 2
Cult things have tendency to be overblown in mass media out of proportions, and so are all those examples.
Apple is not doing anything more unethical than other companies that market themsleves, however they are under the microscope because it's trendy now to hate Apple.
Antennagate - overblown. I've never noticed somthing that bothers me.
Scratches - overblown. You'll se when things cool out a bit.
Purple tint - already proved false.
Foxconn worker - lie. media engineering.
Apple Maps - logical situation of any service provider, soon it will be right on track with others.
So, nothing strange enough to be actually catastrophic towards buyers. Nothing different than other companies' doings. They still percieve Apple products as great. But, as I said, everything of Apple is now under microscope, because tendency is like that.
50. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 09:46 4 1
"Foxconn worker - lie. media engineering."
Maybe or maybe not, it is only your assumption.
"Scratches - overblown. You'll se when things cool out a bit."
Sorry I don't understand what you want to say by saying this "You'll se when things cool out a bit.". Do you mean that after some time iPhone 5 will be no more scratchable ???
"Apple Maps - logical situation of any service provider, soon it will be right on track with others."
So, when it will be on track, then Apple may call it "The most beautiful, powerful mapping service ever." but while it is not on track, there is no reason for shameless lie!
"So, nothing strange enough to be actually catastrophic towards buyers. Nothing different than other companies' doings"
Read my comment #34 below this this article.
"But, as I said, everything of Apple is now under microscope, because tendency is like that."
With such point of view you can justify any company...
53. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:02 1 2
When I say thing's will cool a bit, I mean it will be shown that scratches are normal deviation on this quantities (no one could build it with less occurence at this quantity), and that iPhone can be scratched with keys just like any other mobile phone.
Yes, I can justify any company like that - this is precisely what I'm trying to say. All companies lie, and feeling cheated is always matter of whether media told us to feel cheated or not.
You see, I was once a stron Apple hater - some 5-8 years ago, and no one listened to me when I was telling them they are cheating.
And so I learned my lesson - I'm not the one who decides when someone is cheated, even if I had physical evidences, because I cannot interfere on what other people wants. This power is manipulative power that belongs to companies, not me.
55. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:26 2 1
"When I say thing's will cool a bit, I mean it will be shown that scratches are normal deviation on this quantities (no one could build it with less occurence at this quantity), and that iPhone can be scratched with keys just like any other mobile phone."
1) We are talking about scratches out of the box !
2) Also there is such thing like a understanding about products endurance and company's responsibility about products quality!
I agree that all companies lie, but there is morality limits and Apple has crossed the line.
61. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:01 1 1
I'm industrial designer, and I know that Apple still holds the place of most consistent company when it comes to quality. Even with iPhone5.
Scratches out of the box? Yes, that's what I meant. Those deviations are normal in this quantities over such a high quality standards.
Apple didn't cross the line because the line is imaginary.
63. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:10 0 1
"Those deviations are normal in this quantities..."
Maybe it is normal for manufacturer but it not normal for customer.
"Apple didn't cross the line because the line is imaginary."
On one hand yes, it is imaginary, but on the other hand there is legislative provisions about products quality and customer rights.
58. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:34 0 1
"...because I cannot interfere on what other people wants."
You see, I'm not trying to interfere or tell what people should buy or what they shouldn't, they has their own heads on the shoulders and they can make their own decisions. I'm just expressing my opinion about Apple and they can take it or leave it!
59. kach22 posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:52 2 1
+2 to phone arena user. Couldn't have said better.
And this proves again ; it's difficult to wake up someone who is faking sleep.
64. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:12 0 1
66. PhoneCritic posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:25 1 1
I respect your views and loyalty for Apple products but I think Facts are Facts no matter how much you may not want them to be. As a former Apple iPhone owner I have to say that the company did act rather Arrogantly when it (Steve Jobs) said that we were holding the device wrong. They were actually blaming the customer. Facts also Apple maps was not ready to go and Stating that it was the best maps program on a platform was also wrong ( and they retracted their statement) Blindly saying that things were over blown is just plain ignorant.
70. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:39 0 1
Also in some countries there is laws which prohibit say misleading or not truth information about the products in the commercials and in this way mislead potencial customers.
74. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 12:42 1 1
I agree. Then we should all enjoy Apple's failing on thousands of legal disputes initiated by angry customers which have been cheated, right?
Or am I missing something?
76. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:40 0 1
Theoretically, according to the all problems with iPhone 5, there should be even more unhappy Apple customers and maybe even with legal disputes (time will show).
I'm also sorry to say that but in my opinion it just proves theory that the big part of people buy iPhone just because of brand name. So, maybe they even don't care about all iPhone 5 problems. :(
73. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 12:40 1 1
You must decide whether you dislike Apple because they have crappy products or crappy PR.
77. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:42 0 1
Why he should decide? Maybe he dislike because of both?
80. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:53 1 1
He should decide for the sake of the arguments. You can't use one argument as a substitue for another. That is, Apple's not having crappy products because Steve Jobs was arrogant. It's not cause and effect scenario.
83. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 15:01 0 1
"Apple's not having crappy products because Steve Jobs was arrogant."
What about antenna problems?
And today there is no Steve Jobs, what about all iPhone 5 problems?
52. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:01 1 1
I forgot to add lie about "Thinnest phone ever!".
41. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 09:00 2 1
"No, it's not lie if person doesn't know that..."
If perso who is lying doesn't know that he is lying, then it is not lie but in other way it is lie. Anyway Apple knows about all own lies. ;)
78. letgomyeggroll posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:43 2 0
AppleConspiracy, you are right they were not lied to. Apple user just don't know better or don't know the differences. All the hear from Apple, is that its the new cool technology that have just been developed by Apple. But it really means that it have been out and Apple finally got to work on their devices and OS. Oh yeah the other comment, We have designed and made an advanced IPhone or IPad, the truth? "We have thought of new futures according to the data base that we gathered from your usages. And our vendors have engineered to make it work for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
81. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:58 1 1
I'm I the only one who truly doesn't believe in marketing?
Apple users see more competition's marketing than Apple's. Samsung and Nokia, for instance, have more agressive and more expensive campaigns.
It's rather that they are not interested in technology at all, just hear about iPhone from society itself, it's media presence. If something is a status symbol, then that's the reason for buy. And they are perfectly happy with it. No one is cheated. Do you really expect normal people should be interested in mobile IT?
84. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 15:04 0 1
"Do you really expect normal people should be interested in mobile IT?"
So according to you everyone who is interested in mobile IT is not normal?
87. AppleConspiracy posted on 06 Oct 2012, 02:44 0 1
No. They are just not the ones for who you design a phone that should be a mass success.
90. PhoneArenaUser posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:31 0 0
Today everyone more and more knows about IT because it becomes part of our lives, need look forward! And it doesn't matter if you are IT specialist or average user, product should be well built not with bunch of problems and defects.
93. AppleConspiracy posted on 07 Oct 2012, 09:54 0 0
If one company had the least defective products and problems, it's Apple. So, it's pretty much a pardox for Apple to be called almost ultimately the worst company. I think it's because of jealousy.
85. letgomyeggroll posted on 05 Oct 2012, 16:54 1 0
"It's rather that they are not interested in technology at all, just hear about iPhone from society itself, it's media presence.Do you really expect normal people should be interested in mobile IT?"
Why not if you going be buying a Smart Phone, you should know what you're getting and what's available out there. Not once have anyone mention that they rather have an IPhone cuz of the media presence. They are so lock on to Apple cuz 1. headquarter is in California, but some don't know none of the products are engineer and made over seas. 2. Won't give other product a chance that they do more than Apple products do. They are so focus on the rainbow apple!!!!!!
14. Aeires (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:38 6 1
Hi, I'm a PC.
15. PhoneArenaUser posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:39 2 1
What OS ?
17. serious9010 posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:42 1 4
18. Aeires (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:43 2 1
If MS forces live tiles onto me without a dedicated desktop UI, that would be Ubuntu. Otherwise I'll stay with MS if I can have the traditional desktop.
23. eisenbricher posted on 05 Oct 2012, 07:57 3 0
Damn, he's pointing to the PC vs Mac ads. Those are mostly to blame for this trend of insult-advertizing.
27. AppleConspiracy posted on 05 Oct 2012, 08:03 2 4
Yes, Apple did that over Microsoft when they were still underground. That WAS pathetic, and it clearly shows the when some company feels small and frustrated.