Apple and Samsung together account for... 109% of industry profits
Canaccord Genuity estimates that Apple took 56% of the operating profits for Q3 2013 – a jump from 53% from the quarter before. Sammy's share also saw an increase from 49% in Q2 to 53% of industry profits for this last quarter, trailing ever so slightly behind the Cupertino-based company.
In a stark contrast, the rest of the industry bled money, with BlackBerry being the biggest loser with negative 4% of profits, followed by Motorola and it's negative 3% 'share'. The rest – Nokia, LG and HTC – all took an equally-sized hit of -1% of profits. In fact, only Sony managed to break-even, though as you can see at its previous results, the company has been incredibly stagnant – not losing money, but barely ever making any.
Anyhow, as you delve into the numbers below, keep in mind that these figures are not 100% representative, “as some Android OEMs include tablet sales in reported smart device sales and profits,” according to T. Michale Walkley with Canaccord Genuity. In other words, according to the analyst, the actual share of Apple is even higher, which is actually not at all that surprising – Cupretino does have a ridiculous tower of cash. It's also important to note that shares of Chinese manufacturers, such as ZTE, Huawei and CoolPad, have not been accounted for. This means that Apple's and Samsung's share of the profits pie is lower than reported, but still quite indicative.
1. apple4never (Posts: 922; Member since: 08 May 2013)
now both of you combine, screw patents and make a badass superphone
4. LiyanaBG (Posts: 288; Member since: 07 Nov 2013)
this is one of those things that never happen in life :)
5. _Bone_ (Posts: 2104; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
It's called the Galaxy Note 3. Google's OS, Samsung's features and Apple's rectangular corners, icon rows and middle button.
31. piggypigs (Posts: 12; Member since: 21 Jul 2012)
Wow, so in addition to the "Universal rectangular corners" which has been in existence since the first man made device eons ago, the iFruity now owns the icon row which has been in use in PDA since the beginning and the middle button that even predates that?
Mind boggling stuff. How do they do it? :P
9. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
However, when this incident occurs, it will trigger a hard reset of reality and result in the collapse of the space time continuum and erasing this universe from existence
12. asulect (Posts: 131; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)
That's actually pretty normal in bussiness where the market is highly competitive. This happens in a lot of places. Any company that come in third place usually do not do well for too long. Take a look carriers, AT&T, Verizon are first and second. Sprint, third, but losing money. Microsprocessors for PCs, Intel and AMD, the third place? already bankrupted. Operating Systems, MS Windows, Apple OSX, third place? linux? Linux company has less than 10% market share. Airplane manufractures, Boeing, Airbus, third place? You get the point.
7. Finalflash (Posts: 1461; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
They just got their act together this year. Give it time and the rest will also up their game in the coming months. We all saw how quickly HTC went from top to bottom, so the same can happen to anyone.
18. emadshiny (Posts: 1127; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
I think we must wait untill the time Sony starts selling phones on every American and Chinese carrier.
These two are very important markets.
But they are doing good in spite of loosing those two great markets.
33. piggypigs (Posts: 12; Member since: 21 Jul 2012)
True, although much of what happened to HTC is self inflicted. Complacency, turning a deaf ear to user complaints and ignoring usability issues and updates ... the list goes on.
Thankfully Samsung has not shown too many of these signs yet.
Will be good if LG and Sony manage to get a bigger market share and turn up the heat a little.
20. emadshiny (Posts: 1127; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
Would you please show me the wows of Apple or Sammy?
If you look at every exceptional technology, you will definitely find a trace of Sony's contribution in it. for example, the first bendable display or the first OLED TV.
So, open your eyes and see the reality.
26. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)
Here you are the Note 3 "wow":
29. wilsong17 (Posts: 739; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)
nah watch coldfusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
10. hung2900 (Posts: 771; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
No. In fact Sony is overestimated by Sony fans.
Sony fans always blah blah blah abt why don't choose Sony, where Sony is,...
13. Shatter (Posts: 1970; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Sony was good but not anymore, they like to overprice things. There are very few Sony products I would ever consider buying and a phone is not one of them.
22. ArtSim98 (Posts: 2273; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
At least in Finland Sony products are not more expensive than Samsung AT ALL.
30. Sauce (unregistered)
Phonearena looks nice on my Sony Playstation 4 browser ^_^
But yes, I agree with your last sentence :P
16. lee480 (Posts: 172; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)
Sony is at a better position compared to Nokia, LG, Motorola, BB and HTC. It can produce sales, unlike the rest. This simply shows they rest do not wow consumers.
27. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)
Have you ever realized that Samsung are THE ONLY COMPANY IN THE WORLD, that offers both - SD support and swappable battery in the high-end devices??
Samsung have no competition for the ppl that want these features.
Some of you will oppose me with Apple.......well Apple have zombies that buy logo - not functionality. There is the difference.
38. tasior (Posts: 175; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
That's very true. I'm used to swappable battery, and had a lot of trouble when trying to find good phone that is not Samsung...
11. microsoftnokiawin (Posts: 881; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
so healthy for the ecosystem -_- !
15. Jason78 (Posts: 47; Member since: 10 Apr 2013)
Just to point out the obvious you can't have two companies with 56% of 3Q profits just as you can't have the two combined take 109% of total profits. When you add each companies share the total must equal 100%. Basic math.
17. asulect (Posts: 131; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)
Who said there are only 2 smartphone companies? The third, the fourth and the fifth and all the other ones negative profits. When you sum the companies with negative profits and the 2 top company, you'll get your basic math 100%.
28. tedkord (Posts: 4291; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
There's no such thing as negative profit. If you're in the black, its profit. If you're in the red, its a loss.
34. Jason78 (Posts: 47; Member since: 10 Apr 2013)
Exactly correct. To the others I have a challenge. Take $100 and divide it between as many people as you want. I challenge you to come up with a count where two people have $56 dollars.
21. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2105; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
When you add the shares of ALL the companies in the chart, the total DOES equal 100%. Basic math.
32. Dingy_cellar_dweller (Posts: 181; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
So this means that the money other companies are losing is going to the two profitable ones.
I don't think so, it's just statistic multiplication. 100% is the total profit and the other companies share 100% of the losses.
37. sniperdroid (Posts: 110; Member since: 23 May 2013)
You're looking at it all wrong. This is based on comparing their previous earnings with their present earnings that is, it's a comparison to see who gained the most. Obviously if you're still making profit it can't be called a loss but if your profit share decreases in this instant it's being treated as a negative. I don't know if that's clear.
23. nctx77 (Posts: 445; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)
Great for apple and samsung, but bad for android. Remember, Sammy will be switching to tizen.
25. ihavenoname (Posts: 1271; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
Correction: adding Tizen. They are not dumping Android at least in long time. Tizen will be intresting though.