Samsung and Google join Chinese manufacturers, raise concerns over Microsoft and Nokia deal

Samsung and Google join Chinese manufacturers, raise concerns over Microsoft and Nokia deal
In what can be called an odd alliance of sorts, Google and Samsung have raised concerns, along with Chinese manufacturers like Huawei and ZTE, in Chinese courts about the disposition and cost of patents that ultimately remain with Nokia (the part that is not being acquired by Microsoft).

China’s Ministry of Commerce is currently reviewing the proposed acquisition which has already earned the thumbs-up from European Union regulators and the US Department of Justice last December. China is the other vital (and large) market that needs to give approval to make the deal work as intended.

Nokia (the remaining Finnish company) stands to make significant revenue from its considerable patent portfolio once the merger is completed because it is then no longer joined at the hip to its own device manufacturer or Microsoft. Microsoft itself holds a number of wireless patents, and concerns were raised that the gang in Redmond would abuse its patents which could affect Android devices too. Regulators in Europe have stated that they will keep an eye on patent fees after the merger closes.

Samsung and Google are joining ZTE and Huawei in requesting that while the Ministry conducts an anti-monopoly review (kind of oxymoronic considering the number of government owned companies in China), it impose conditions on the deal that would keep patent fees in check.

The problem is that even if the fees themselves are kept at a market-acceptable level, industries in China are notorious for infringing on patents and intellectual property. It is not outside the realm of possibilities that Nokia might be a bit more studious in enforcing what will be a significant source of revenue for the company.

source: Bloomberg

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47 Comments

2. CX3NT3_713

Posts: 2359; Member since: Apr 18, 2011

FEARRRRRRRR!!!!

33. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

The thing is that they know Lumia devices are great.. It's not about patents.. They'll use any excuse they can to keep MS from doing what they know MS can do with the Lumia brand.... MS has the power to get devices on much more store shelves world wide then Nokia does.. And that's a fact!

42. shuaibhere

Posts: 1986; Member since: Jul 07, 2012

Are serious????? If not for NOKIA WP would have been greatest flop of this century... It was nokia who made wp famous....I know many who bought a WP device just because it si made by Nokia and hating it now.... If not for NOKIA....WP would have been dead now...

45. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

and i know many who bought a s4 and note 3 and regret it every day coming from a iphone. you forgot to put in your opinion. I have the note 3, its use is limited and my 925 is the daily driver. Add me to your, list of ooops goes against the grain.

46. TheGenius

Posts: 339; Member since: Mar 06, 2014

Note 3 use is limited.? Ahahahahahahahahahaha. You sir need to learn how to use a 'real' smart phone .. then you'll realise how limited use the 925 has.!

47. TheGenius

Posts: 339; Member since: Mar 06, 2014

Note 3 use is limited.? Ahahahahahahahahahaha. You sir need to learn how to use a 'real' smart phone .. then you'll realise how limited use the 925 has.!

50. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

That has completely nothing to do with what I'm talking about.. Or whether MS has the power to get devices on more shelves than Nokia does... How old are you? I just want to know what kind of mind I'm dealing with here..

3. alterecho

Posts: 1106; Member since: Feb 23, 2012

I have a solution - STOP the acquisition.

15. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

Now now, don't get hopeful, that hole is probably too deep to fill now.

43. picka_vi_materina

Posts: 174; Member since: Nov 21, 2011

It wouldn't be difficult to fill, it's just....that......nobody wants to fill it.

16. Skoms

Posts: 118; Member since: Feb 03, 2014

Yes stop the acquisition.

34. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

No,, that wouldn't be good.. If they stopped it then I might not ever get my MS made Lumia 1530 running WP8.2-0xxxx.... ........................ That wouldn't please anyone...

4. choklatwasted

Posts: 15; Member since: Oct 29, 2013

heres an idea, handicap the use of the patents like what happened to Google and Motorola.

5. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

Patent should not be use like ballistic missile of destruction. A flat rate for patent payout should be applied. 5 cents and not $35 or $40 US dollars per device. Patent owner get reasonable compensated public get a reasonable priced device.

11. Altair

Posts: 367; Member since: Feb 02, 2012

Let me guess, you are from China? Working in one of those copycat companies?

13. aksa123

Posts: 367; Member since: Jan 30, 2014

WTF 5 cents? Then better pay for pattents than making new and competitive innovations !!! Crazy.

35. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

I don't know about your prices, but yes I agree..

6. techperson211

Posts: 1280; Member since: Feb 27, 2014

Patent B.S. Just like the fruit logo!!!

7. 7thspaceman

Posts: 1597; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

HMM did google get all this flak when it bought Motorola which it recently sold. Microsoft wants Nokia because lets face it- Nokia made Windows 8 smart phones are the only ones that are selling well enough for ANY OEM to make a profit on. other MS smart phone OEM's only make one or two windows phone models. Nokia makes I guess 8 models of Windows smart phones. I would not allow the Chinese to dictate my business operations even if they are a big market. after all India has over a billion people population and is a more favorable market place for Microsoft or Nokia. the rest of the world is a place Nokia and Microsoft's can make a lot of money. American companies in the States do not let China dictate their merges. Go on Microsoft & Nokia do your deal.

8. tigermcm

Posts: 861; Member since: Sep 02, 2009

they sure did not get any flak yet ppl keep downplaying WP. if WP was so bad why are we doing this??? i smell fear

25. blazee

Posts: 414; Member since: Jan 02, 2012

That's because Microsoft is known for abusing and using any means to damper and slow down anything that is not theirs. Where Google is known to be fair.

36. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

Fear is exactly it!... We all know that WP is great... Google, and Samsung probably saw the leaks of WP8.1-0xxxx... Lol!

9. superduper

Posts: 151; Member since: Oct 20, 2013

But Samsung and Google are the good guys!!!!! /s

10. Altair

Posts: 367; Member since: Feb 02, 2012

This is kinda ironic and funny, that the biggest thiefs and copycats in the world joined together and are worried about Nokia, which has been one of the most honest OEM in past years. Now these little copycats fear, that they have to actually pay for using others IP. Shame on you Shamesung & Google and those Chinese copycats.

12. kanagadeepan

Posts: 1265; Member since: Jan 24, 2012

M$ honest???? Nice joke sir... Nokia is going to be a part of M$, which uses flaw in patent law to kill the competitors' margins..

17. Skoms

Posts: 118; Member since: Feb 03, 2014

they will kill the competitors, its done before. Netscape! Linux !

30. ady_lad

Posts: 83; Member since: Jul 17, 2013

Mate, have you read the article...these patents stay with the Finnish Nokia, not the MS...so this in not about MS but rather about Nokia.

37. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

Right!... Trolls don't read well.

26. blazee

Posts: 414; Member since: Jan 02, 2012

They're not worried about Nokia but Microsoft who is a known @$$%ole.

18. 7thspaceman

Posts: 1597; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

Hmm come to think of it why are Google and Samsung up in arms. I think it's the New Nokia "X" phones they do not want a Microsoft controlled Android smart phone HELL it's too late for that If the deal does not go through Nokia and Microsoft will still continue to collaborate and create this smart phone line. the Nokia X phones wont come to the USA but they will make a Dent in Samsungs low end android market. a Nokia "XL" upgraded a bit and sold for less than 200 dollars in the USA would sell like hot cakes. Samsung is really afraid of a Nokia "XL" with a pure vue camera and an HD screen with the Nokia Android OS. it would out sell their Galaxy S5 in the USA. Google cannot stand the thought of a Microsoft controlled Android smart phone line that they cannot Control like Google controls it's OEMs like Sony Samsung. LG. HTC and others

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