Moto Z with Snapdragon 835 processor could be in the cards, shows up in benchmark database

Moto Z with Snapdragon 835 processor could be in the cards, shows up in benchmark database
A new version of last year's Moto Z, one upgraded with the current Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 processor appeared in the GeekBench benchmark database. We're still looking at 4GB of RAM (which could be of the faster LPDDR4X RAM variety, though), but the smartphone runs Android 7.1.1.

Motorola might be looking into refreshing the Moto Z to stand better chances against the onslaught of high-end phones from the first half of 2017. Rather than releasing an all-new model, the Lenovo-owned brand could be content with putting out a Moto Z (2017). Which is okay with us, as long as the smartphone doesn't burn down people's houses or anything...

Mind you, a GeekBench result isn't a guarantee for release. Some devices appear in the database after internal testing but never reach the market. Still, Motorola won't be spending on Qualcomm's premium-tier chipset with nothing to show, so a Moto Z (2017) sounds plausible.

Moto Z with Snapdragon 835 processor could be in the cards, shows up in benchmark database

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Moto Z
  • Display 5.5" 1440 x 2560 pixels
  • Camera 13 MP / 5 MP front
  • Processor Qualcomm Snapdragon 820, Quad-core, 2200 MHz
  • Storage 32 GB + microSDXC
  • Battery 2600 mAh

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32 Comments

1. nh1402

Posts: 137; Member since: Oct 30, 2013

LPDDR4X is not faster than LPDDR4, it runs at about half the voltage, that's the ONLY difference, it's just more power efficient. I've seen many articles claim it's faster when it isn't, do your research.

5. abdoualgeria

Posts: 928; Member since: Jul 27, 2015

Lpddr4 can go to 3733mhz Lpddr4x can go to 4266mhz So the lpddr4x is indeed faster.

16. sgodsell

Posts: 6895; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

It also depends on what the processor or SoC can handle. In this case the SD835 can handle up to 2 - 32 bit LPDDR4X 1866 GHz ram (64 bit). Which is quite comparable to a number of laptops and desktop systems. Not bad for a mobile processor that can handle a 4K display at 60 fps.

19. vincelongman

Posts: 5628; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

The LPDRR4 spec isn't limited to 3733MHz Samsung already release 4266MHz LPDRR4 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/213710-samsung-announces-new-12gb-lpddr4-dram-clocked-at-4266mhz

2. Joms_US

Posts: 200; Member since: Oct 02, 2016

Then again this worthless benchmark is hitting cores this way.. Core 0 - 1.9GHz - 100% Core 1 - 1.9GHz - 70% Core 2 - 1.9GHz - 5% Core 3 - 1.9GHz - 5% Core 4 - 2.4GHz - 5% Core 5 - 2.4GHz - 5% Core 6 - 2.4GHz - 5% Core 7 - 2.4GHz - 5%

17. sgodsell

Posts: 6895; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

That's Geekbench for you. It's a useless piece of crap.

18. Joms_US

Posts: 200; Member since: Oct 02, 2016

Yes worthless 100%. If this benchmark is something like Cinebench or WPrime, iCrap will be left behind in light years.

20. vincelongman

Posts: 5628; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

3. uzimafioso

Posts: 469; Member since: Jul 15, 2014

Lol thankfully we won't need blurry shots to know how the phone would look.

4. UglyFrank

Posts: 2191; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

who would've thought a Flagship phone would use the years flagship processor.

6. abdoualgeria

Posts: 928; Member since: Jul 27, 2015

This is weak s**t ..... The exynos 8895 is coming to b*tch slap the 835 in both performance and efficiency

7. uzimafioso

Posts: 469; Member since: Jul 15, 2014

CPU performance above 820 isn't really that much needed on a phone. The GPU needs the most boost and that's where Exynos gets effed.

8. Macready

Posts: 1811; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Not at all. The 835 GPU is a relatively modest boost over the 820 GPU (around 40% IIRC), where as the new G71 Mali GPU seems to make a huge jump (around double that). Just look at the Huawei Kirin 960 with a relatively modest G71 MP8 configuration, built on 16nm, approaching current Apple A10 GPU levels (within about 20%)... Now imagine what the 8895 with MP18 or MP20 can do on 10nm.

9. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

MP18 or MP20? really?

14. Macready

Posts: 1811; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Yes, the G71 supports up to 32 shader cores and the next Exynos is said to come with 3 different configurations, ranging from MP18 to MP20. The 8890 already had 12 shader cores.

10. uzimafioso

Posts: 469; Member since: Jul 15, 2014

Lol yeah right. In Huawei it's a 1080p display same as Apple's and the Mali can't keep up, and the 835's Adreno crosses Apple's score at 1080p.

15. Macready

Posts: 1811; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

The A10 GPU is just 17-20% faster @ 1080P than a G71 MP8 baked on 16nm. The G71 supports up to MP32 and the next Exynos is supposed to have 18 to 20 shader cores (the 8890 had 12) and 10 nm. So yes, yeah and right. It should be faster than both the A10 GPU and the Adreno 540.

22. vincelongman

Posts: 5628; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

That's because Qualcomm are prioritizing sustained performace for VR They have set the clocks of the 835 low, like the 820/821 The 820/821 have the best sustained performace of any SoC yet About 20% better the A10's The 960 not within 35% of the A10 (or 821) Here's some benchmarks Manhattan 3.1.1 Offscreen 22.9 fps - A10 17 fps - 821 14 fps - 960 Car Chase Offscreen 20 fps - 821 13 fps - 960 3DMark Slingshot 3700 - A10 3200 - 821 2100 - 960 8895's GPU will be faster than the A10's GPU I suspect the 8895's GPU will be faster than the Adreno 540 in short term performance But I still think the Adreno 540 will have the best sustained performace

24. Macready

Posts: 1811; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Based on the suggested number of cores, I have a suspicion that the G71 cores in the 8895 will be clocked relatively low, for sustained performance too. That plus the 10nm process should do wonders compared to the sustained performance of the 8890 with T880 MP12 and Adreno 530. As for the results in GFXbench, I was looking at the top results for both: https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?D=Huawei+Mate+9+%28MHA-xxx%29&os=Android&api=gl&testgroup=graphics&benchmark=gfx40&var=score https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?D=Apple+iPhone+7+Plus&os=iOS&api=metal&testgroup=graphics&benchmark=gfx40&var=score Which shows differences between 13 and 30% in the several off screen tests. Which is more in line with their comparison here:http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Kirin-960-5.jpg

26. Macready

Posts: 1811; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Average results probably give a better indication indeed, all results offscreen: 1440p Manhattan 3.1.1 Offscreen A10: 21.2 fps G71 MP8: 14.5 fps 32% slower / 46% faster Manhattan 3.1 A10: 33.4 fps G71 MP8: 25.6 fps 23% slower / 30% faster T-Rex A10: 99.4 fps G71 MP8:76.7 fps 23% slower/ 30% faster

29. vincelongman

Posts: 5628; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Oh, you are right I was using % faster So I was getting over 40% for Manhattan 3.1.1 Offscreen, Car Chase Offscreen and 3DMark Slingshot I still suspect the 8895's GPU will be faster than the Adreno 540 in short term performance But I still think the Adreno 540 will have the best sustained performace

27. vincelongman

Posts: 5628; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Yep, it would definitely have to be clocked lower than the 960 I used median/Anandtech http://www.anandtech.com/show/10841/huawei-mate-9-porsche-design-unboxing-and-hands-on-benchmarks Using the highest isn't realistic to use the highest since most people won't have golden chips

28. vincelongman

Posts: 5628; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Ignore

31. Joms_US

Posts: 200; Member since: Oct 02, 2016

Manhattan 3.1.1 Offscreen 22.9 fps - A10 33 fps - 821 14 fps - 960 There corrected...

23. sgodsell

Posts: 6895; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Clearly Macready you like to preach. First of all the SD 821 is rated at 519 gigaflops, the SD 820 is rated at a maximum of 498 gigaflops. The 8895 is rated at 265 gigaflops. You would know that if you actually ran any mobile VR, whether it's Gear VR, or Daydream VR. Or actually ran any native code to perform tests. I always love iPhone users that tell everyone how fast the A10 is. However we never really see it in the real world, when it comes to high end graphics with high resolution displays. It's always benchmarks. If Apples A10 is so fast, then why do they continue to use such a low resolution display on the latest iPhone 7, even the plus version is still pushing half the pixels compared to a smartphone that is using a QHD display. The iPhone 7 which is priced as a flagship device is only push 1/4 of the pixels compared to a QHD display. QHD displays have been in smartphones since the LG G3. This year we are going to see even higher QHD+ displays (2880x1440), and 4K displays on smartphones later in the year. The real test is when I see VR with both Qualcomm and Exynos processors. Apple has yet to prove or show anything with VR. That is the real proof of the pudding. Until then you can spout off any crap you want. http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops

25. Macready

Posts: 1811; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

I like to preach and then you reply with a text like an essay? Good start. Second, who cares about gigaflops ratings when those numbers have become increasingly more like marketing speak when real life benchmarks tell different stories? For example, the benchmarks discussed here show GPU performance for the 8890 to be within 5 to 15% of the SD820. Average sustained performance is even rated (significantly) higher. And no one has any bandwidth numbers for the 8895 GPU since it hasn't even been announced yet. You probably meant the 8890.

12. abdoualgeria

Posts: 928; Member since: Jul 27, 2015

Adreno is 540 is 20-25 % faster than apple a10 in gfxbench

32. jimv1983

Posts: 60; Member since: Oct 10, 2013

The only problem is that the Exynos is only available on some Samsung phones. No way in hell am I going to suffer with TouchWiz and hardware navigation buttons on a Samsung phone.

11. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

And how they super fast with Android updates this time "Android 7.1.1" !

13. zac89

Posts: 14; Member since: Jan 18, 2016

Lenovo is really making Moto very hard to ignore. Maybe they'll upgrade camera too.

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