The CIA pays AT&T for international call data
2. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 7005; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Glad I'm not on at&t. But this still sucks.
3. Deaconclgi (Posts: 395; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
If it helps keep me, my wife and kids safe from the same type of terrorist who went largely undetected, making phone calls, sipping lattes, browsing the web all while living in the US, standing next to you and I in the stores, driving next to each other on the way to work....totally under the radar of threat detection, then I am ALL for it.
Do what you have to do to prevent terrorism, I could have been one of those to have lost their lives, or my wife, or my daughters, or my mother, or my best friends. I'd rather the CIA laugh at my overseas calls talking about doing a 34 hit Ultra Combo with Orchid in Killer Instinct than to miss out on catching a terrorist in the making who has a real killer instinct over some people crying about their privacy rights.
Your privacy is out the window if you are a victim of terrorism, everyone will see your face, know your name, your story and mourn the loss of you. Protect and serve by any means that actually protects us.
Now...the question is, what is AT&T doing with the extra 10 Million a year?
6. Finalflash (Posts: 2097; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Hah, the naivety of this argument gets me every single time. Although I guess you aren't completely to blame for that mindset, fear is a very powerful weapon.
Still, you will gladly sacrifice your freedom for your security. So they told you that they're only listening to the calls of anyone that is "suspect" so its okay (already happened). Then they listen to everyone's private conversations and access all their information, but that is okay too because it is to keep you safe (already happened). Then they tell you you can't do certain suspect things because it can be taken as "suspect" but that is okay too because it keeps you safe (already happened, check with airport security for details). Then they tell you that you can't be in a specific place at a specific time or at all, but that is okay because it is for everyone's safety. And then you can't say certain things in public because that is "suspect". You cannot demonstrate openly because that is "suspect". You cannot have a choice in every day matters of society because that is suspect. Your government can institute certain powers to themselves because it is for safety. You cannot question their actions because it is for your safety and you don't know any better and so on (All of this and more has already happened and more is on the way).
Essentially, people like you will sacrifice everything to save your own life, which by that time will be worth nothing. Because the safest creature is one in a cage, and if you can call that a life, then by all means sacrifice your freedoms away.
7. Commentator (Posts: 2803; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Fine rhetoric, but your argument seems to stem from fear as well.
12. 14545 (Posts: 1242; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Fear of the government is justifiable. Have you heard of the USSR? China? North Korea? Hitlers Germany? I would rather take my chances with some invisible "terrorist" than the government has proven time and time again they can't be trusted. I mean they have done so well protecting us from the underwear, shoe, etc. So excuse me if I would rather defend myself than trust the government to do anything.
19. Deaconclgi (Posts: 395; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
I don't live in fear and I haven't sacrificed my freedom. I have the freedom to do as I legally please and if you don't like to legal boundaries of where you live, move to somewhere that fits your idea of freedom.
The only freedom I regret losing is.... one time....I was going to take a flight and I had some water bottles.....and security made me throw all of them away....my poor, government torn insecure *feelings were hurt. The flight would have been simply awesome with my 6 pack of Dasani. /s *True story about the water, the feelings are a dramatization.
Also, "They" didn't tell me anything. It sounds like you are very fearful or you are living in the Matrix. Sure, there are agents but I can guarantee that not ALL of them are named Smith!
People like me? I'm glad you know me so well....we should meet up for a bout of Killer Instinct over some scrambled eggs with cheese, bacon and toast, remember, hold the pancakes....just like the last time we dined.
In all seriousness, the safest creature is NOT one in a cage because being in a cage is not freedom and when everything around you is harmful, even inside the cage, and the only way to survive is to get out of your cage...and you cannot get out....you will perish...how safe is that?
The element of Fire proves your cage mentality wrong, the creature and the cage will perish......the creature....due to being trapped. Maybe, if the owner had a smoke alarm (government) watching over them to alert them of any harm that it detected....someone would have come and saved the creature AND the expensive cage with the gold accents and pillow from HSN.
I don't know you so I cannot say "people like you" but your comments sound like those of someone who would say "the man is watching" or at times, you may have felt like you have "stuck it to the man!!!" Oh well. Again, I don't know you so what am I talking about.
Are you bringing toast?
15. Ravail (Posts: 182; Member since: 14 Oct 2011)
"Those willing to give up liberty for security deserve niether and will lose both."
You fall into this category.
4. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
When the government is not doing enough to fight terrorism, people are mad. If the government is now doing something, they are still mad. wtf?
8. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Please tell me that it was a sarcasm?
5. PK1983 (Posts: 215; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
I'm sure the NSA, FBI, ATF, DEA, and OFA are all doing the same.
We need new people in charge.
9. dmn666 (Posts: 209; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Shocking news! Terrorists are using ATT's post-paid direct lines to call overseas. We don't need CIA to bust them though - LMAO. Gotta appreciate AT&T's shrewd move to make few extra millions by selling useless data to the government.
13. 14545 (Posts: 1242; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
That's my thing. How many "terrorist" are dumb enough to actually attach their visa to a post paid line. My god people are stupid.
16. dmn666 (Posts: 209; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
LMAO. Man, I can't stop laughing out loud every time I think of those imaginary terrorists. Only ATT is laughing louder - I believe.
10. maherk (Posts: 2264; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Well I am an Arab and a Muslim living in the states and I don't get it why people are worried about the government having your call records! As long as you're not doing anything wrong then there is no need to worry about it. If this what it takes to keep me, my family and everyone safe then be it.
14. 14545 (Posts: 1242; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
That's where it all starts. You, as an Arab should be more scared than anyone. Governments through history have never been upstanding in their efforts, so I don't know what would make you think that this period in history would be any different. Just like the government held Japanese americans with no proof of wrongdoing during WWII. So that should be all the reason you need not to trust the government and your sensitive information.
20. Deaconclgi (Posts: 395; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Proof of wrong doing means that some wrong doing has already happened and it is too late. In the legal system, are people only arrested AFTER they have been proven guilty of wrong doing?
Various agencies in most nations are trying to prevent wrong doing.
I was pulled over and surrounded by about 5 cop cars 2 years ago when I was moving 3 states away. I drove through Tennessee, my car packed with everything that couldn't fit in the U-Haul. It was the scariest moment of my life. Surrounded, cops with guns. People looking from the gas station. Long story short, my car, filled with items and my looks fit the description of a wanted arm robber that had been terrorizing a certain area of the state.
I have never lived in Tennessee and I was just passing through but branches of the Government were looking for this wanted man.
Everything worked out as I am clearly not whomever they were looking for and even though it was traumatic for me, I, along with the people of that town, am GLAD that the "government" was actively monitoring and looking out for that state "terrorist" aka armed robber. I hope they catch/caught the guy before he robs or kills someone. The officers were only doing their best to protect the lives of the people.
Mistakes are made when trying to protect the people, systems aren't perfect and there is a chance for human error. It is better that efforts exist to stop wrongdoing before it happens than to do nothing and mourn and complain after it happens.
I hope maherk and his family will have a safe and peaceful life and the same for me and for you.
22. 14545 (Posts: 1242; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
YES, IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM PEOPLE ARE ONLY GUILTY OF WRONG WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF SUCH BY A JURY OF THEIR PEERS. I'm so happy you are glad with an erosion of your liberty, but don't trample mine over an invisible bogey man the government calls a "terrorist". Also do a quick google search and you will see that people are targeted by the government all the time and held against their will without due process or sufficient evidence.
How about I put it like this. Since clearly you are a good person and would do no wrong, you should let the government put a camera in your house to monitor all your actions. You're not a criminal, so you shouldn't mind, and it helps keep us all "safe". See, is that really what you want? How about the government monitoring all your online activity. Or every transaction you make(The fed does this if you pay with check or "credit").
So where does it end? All this to still deal with people that sneak onto planes with detonation devices in their pants/shoes/etc. So now, you and I, get to be groped by a low life POS that could only get a job as a TSA agent and it's their life's mission to make your miserable. Is that really the world you want to live, or raise children in? A world of repressive fear? I mean come on man, wake up. You're no safer with the government spending 10's of billions of dollars to monitor your every call, web search, and private areas during plane rides than you were 12 years ago. It's time for the madness to stop.
11. hybrid06339 (Posts: 23; Member since: 16 May 2012)
great, now my tax dollars are going to at&t too. this is f'ed up.
17. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
And someone said Huawei is spying. Hypocrites!
18. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Also some thinks that North Korea is world's most brainwashed country, but it is also not true, there is another big country. ;)
21. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
The land of the brainwashed. Any estimates on how long till states start seceding?
23. 14545 (Posts: 1242; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Won't happen. Last time it did the Fed stepped in and killed many hundreds of thousands people just to prove it's ultimate authority. Just proves the paper written over two hundred years ago is worthless.