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Some of HTC's Google-sourced patents for the counterclaim against Apple go back to Palm

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Some of HTC's Google-sourced patents for the counterclaim against Apple go back to Palm
Today we found out that HTC has sourced nine patents from Google to file counterclaims against Apple's patent infringement lawsuit. HTC says it paid for them, but no price was disclosed, and Google has every incentive to help its Android OEMs now that it can fight back with the patents it got from Motorola, IBM and other places.

Larry Page is obviously not too worried about Samsung, which has the second strongest patent portfolio after Microsoft, but HTC might have been left to the wolves if not for the S3 acquisition, a purely patent play, and now the nine patents sourced from Google. In hastily put together motions HTC updated its ITC lawsuit against Apple with five patents, and filed a completely new infringement case in Delaware for four more.

The five patents it added to the ITC complaint and its sister lawsuit in Delaware range include ones dating as far back as Palm:

    "U.S. Patent No. 6,473,006 on a "method and apparatus for zoomed display of characters entered from a telephone keypad"; originally filed by Phone-com, which assigned it to Openwave, then sold to a French company named Purple Labs, which sold it on to Myriad's French subsidiary (Myriad has Java-related litigation going with Oracle), sold by Myriad to Google last year and by Google to HTC on August 29, 2011 (recorded on September 1)

    U.S. Patent No. 6,708,214 on a "hypermedia identifier input mode for a mobile communication device"; the assignment history of this one mirrors that of the previous patent

    U.S. Patent No. 6,868,283 on a "technique allowing a status bar user response on a portable device graphic user interface"; originally a Palm patent, transferred a couple of times within the Palm group, then sold to Access (first the U.S. subsidiary, then the Japanese parent company), acquired by Google last year, sold and assigned to HTC on same dates as the previous patents in this group

    U.S. Patent No. 7,289,772, same title as the previous patent, originally filed by Palmsource, then sold to Access, Google and finally HTC along the same path as the previous patent

    U.S. Patent No. 7,020,849 on a "dynamic display for communication devices"; originally filed by Openwave, then sold to Purple Labs, Myriad France, Google and HTC along the same path as the first two patents in this group"

The four patents that comprise a completely new lawsuit, again in Delaware, represent the new blood from Motorola:

    "U.S. Patent No. 5,418,524 on a "method and apparatus for over-the-air upgrading of radio modem application software"; originally filed by Motorola, sold by Motorola to Google last year, then by Google to HTC on August 29, 2011 (recorded on September 1)

    U.S. Patent No. 5,630,152 on a "communication protocol between master and slave device with register information sharing"; same path as the previous patent

    U.S. Patent No. 5,630,159 on a "method and apparatus for personal attribute selection having delay management method and apparatus for preference establishment when preferences in a donor device are unavailable"; same path as the previous patent except that a company named Tudor Empire in California bought it from Motorola and sold it to Google; that may be an acquisition company owned and controlled by Google, or otherwise acting on Google's behalf

    U.S. Patent No. 5,302,947 on a "method and apparatus for loading a software program from a radio modem into an external computer"; same assignment path as the first two patents in this group"

Don't ask us why the Motorola patents merit a dedicated case against Apple, but they do sound themed around communication protocols, and thus are broadly filed against most of Apple's gadgets like computers, phones and tablets, as well as the accompanying software. This seems like a mere defensive play on HTC's side, so it remains to be seen if the court will take into consideration patents acquired just days before the filing.

source: FOSSPatents

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posted on 08 Sep 2011, 05:53 4

1. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)


Let the PATENTS WAR begin all companies must file lawsuits against Apple, because Apple is seeking to file all lawsuits against any companies that is making touch screen smartsphones.

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 06:53 4

2. ardent1 (Posts: 1991; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


As an inventor and patent holder, I will say that as you become further removed from the inventor, the current patent holders may not really know what was intended in the patent. As the inventor, I am still the most knowledgeable person on my patent meaning HTC don't have a clue to the origins of these patents and thus know how to defend them. Sometimes the patents aren't very clear.

Good luck HTC as you drank Google's kool-aid.

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 07:11 7

3. remyrz (Posts: 187; Member since: 28 Oct 2010)


GO HTC!!... i love your UI!

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 07:34 5

4. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


Haha thats what u get.Did you really think that King G was just going to let you keep this up?Now you mess with the wrong muthaFu*kers!!

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 10:46 5

5. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


I love when isheep come on here and give everybody a thumbs down like we don't know you use a idumbassphone lol

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 10:54 4

6. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


HTC will get smoked in court

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 11:23 1

7. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5707; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


@taco - why do you think HTC will get 'smoked'? The transferred patents seem to pose problems for Apple. Are you a master patent litigator?

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 11:52 2

9. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Read the article. It sounds like HTC didn't even think this through. Seems like a desperation move on HTC's part.

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 14:36 2

10. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Because...if someone says something that fits their argument or belief...its right.

Florian Mueller, the guy that writes that blog...has been called out a few times...but one I know about is the one where he found info saying Google will be favoring Motorola phones. Something about lead devices...

Him, not knowing enough about Android...Google names Nexus devices lead devices. The Xoom was a lead device. Some could say the Droid 1 was too. Its probably devices the they use to debut a new OS.

Oh....and how he was pissed about the Apple/Samsung case where 9/10 patents were thrown out....lol But...what he blogs about fits into many a iFan's beliefs. So it all makes sense to them.

One article someone else wrote said how Motorola's patents are worthless. It was a guy in a clip in the article he interviewed, some CEO, lawyer or something. He said in the clip if you have thousands of patents...he's not gonna read them all.

So...my post went something like: if he's not gonna read them all, how the hell does he know whats worthless or not? Didnt Moto just design their own LTE chip? That wasnt mentioned in the article or clip. I guess thats worthless too...Are ppl going by the patents from 1994 and calling them worthless? You think Moto just stopped creating in 1994? And the patents are worthless because...he says so?

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 11:24 4

8. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


taco is just being taco you just cant help him no matter what

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 15:26 2

11. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


It sounds to me like Google is trying to use their newly acquired patents to help the makers of devices that use Android against the EVIL EMPIRE. Which makes a claim to those of us who thought that buying MotoMobile would benefit other makers like HTC, LG, SAMSUNG etc.

My intrest is if after the suit is finished wil Google aquire the patents back from HTC. Which would make a us against Apple scenerio very clear.

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 17:14 2

13. jcoberg10 (Posts: 110; Member since: 30 Oct 2009)


htc and googleare partnrs there for they defend each other its not like when apple and rim and others got together for no other reason than toover bid on patents

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 16:36 1

12. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


HTC should concentrate on putting a good phone on the market other then the EVO series, push the Vigor and let Google daddy do the dirty work...

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 18:21

14. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


And of course, android fanboys already think that htc won, lol. And when the court dismisses the case, android fanboys pretend that they never posted any victory posts and then call the judge an isheep, lol.

posted on 08 Sep 2011, 21:48 1

15. biophone (Posts: 1893; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Seems like a defensive move on htc's part

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