Samsung on the attack, accuses Apple of infringing on its patents
Yang also told the jury that Samsung's patents were filed before the 2007 introduction of the Apple iPhone. Instead of focusing on wireless technology, Yang's focus was on patents covering features for smartphones. One Samsung patent covers the technology that allows smartphone users to quickly find pictures on a photo album. Apple attorney Bill Lee might have scored a point with the jury during his cross-examination. Lee got Yang to admit that he had not seen evidence that Samsung used any of these features in its phones.
89. Phullofphil (Posts: 798; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)
if he really does not understand why don't you explain instead of thumb down
23. JessJess (unregistered)
With one breath people accuse apple of 'silly' patents for obvious things. And with the other they congratulate Samsung for a patent that 'allows mobile devices to send out pictures via email.'
Yay for double standards!
30. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
apple's silly patents are its design patents for rectangles and squares. Do me a favor, go look at the piece with the "chart" on it that show's what apple is claiming infringement on each device. Smack in the middle of the chart at the top is (i think) 669 patent.. its easy to spot. its literally a drawing of a square with a centered screen. they have a PATENT for that. Tell me how that square looks way different from every other tablet on the market. That is silly.
A patent that allows mobile devices to send pic emails is going to have to detail a specific sequence of instructions or steps in order to achieve this. Also, back when they had a patent for it, picture email was NOT common at all. Specific steps with probably a lot of programmer detail, or a rectangle.. which one is a "silly" patent?
31. structureman116 (Posts: 134; Member since: 14 Sep 2010)
Did you seriously try to argue that Samsungs patent for emailing pics is "silly"? The technology to send a picture through email is a far far far cry from patenting a rectangle and the color black...
97. JessJess (unregistered)
I'm not sure which to reply to so will just reply to this.
Not sure where all this came from; All I said was that people accuse Apple of having 'silly' and obvious patients and that's bad. Yet Samaung have one for 'emailing photos' I mean wtf? Emailing photos? Like putting a photo... in an email.... just made me laugh that someone said 'Go sammy' and didn't comment on that.
No need for everyone to get so defensive.
106. zhypher_23 (Posts: 195; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)
You know it's easy to say "Emailing Photos is a simple patent" but when you see the dynamics of it or how it was made that's part where it kicks in and you realize it's not so plain and simple, the rectangular shape is the ridiculous patent having very very far gap from the email photo feature :)
35. infernal88 (Posts: 113; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
well ...look at it this way ...samsung has some silly patents ....but they didnt go in rampage suing every one over it .... but then apple came with same or even more silly patents than samsung patents to sue all competition instead of fair competition by providing better products .
they only want thing to develop slow at the rate they want just to squeeze every penny consumer has and to do so they need to eliminate competition by using those stupid claims ..
In my view i would support samsung , HTC , Moto ,google or watever company , and i would accept them use as much "silly " patents as long it is used to counter such acts .... but NOT TO DO the same as apple .
48. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2871; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Could you be anymore one sided? Who took who to court here? Samsung is just defending itself.
But hey I guess if someone was attacking you, you'd just stand there and take the beating and not defend yourself right?
Samsung has every right to accuse Apple as Apple has the right to accuse Samsung.
51. darkkjedii (Posts: 9290; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Uh oh Jess u made a non anti apple comment. 3 2 1...
54. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2871; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
It's not about being pro or anti anything. It's about being one sided. Samsung has the right to defend themselves in court. As stupid as Apple's patents are, so are Samsung's. But remember who starting suing who first.
96. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
to my knowledge this is the first time samsung has ever whipped out "silly patents" for anything. And its for a counter suit, not for its own suit.
99. JessJess (unregistered)
Yet they have them. What do you think they have them for? Will they use them when it's to their advantage?....
100. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the point is that everyone has picture mail now. Either other companies have found a logical work around to avoid the patent, have licensed it from Samsung, or they just didnt care enough to sue over it. Again, its not a silly patent. Its not a rectangle. Its a specific programming design. Samsung, Nokia, MS, Moto, all of them have THOUSANDS of specific little bits like this. That's the bulk of their portfolios for mobile.
Another difference between the 2 is that there are dozens of ways to send picture mail that are not exactly like Samsung's, so you can get around the patent easily. If Apple's way of sending picture messages is the same as samsung's than it IS patent infringement.
If you can find another way to have a rectangle/square with a centered screen that gets around Apple's generic patents as shown by the chart in the other article... u let me know. Samsung's patent is specific, Apple's is extraordinarily broad.
107. kanagadeepan (Posts: 591; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
So you are trying to say that "Only apple should have Silly Patents???"
They have those silly patents NOT to sue others to remove competition, but to protect themselves/counter-sue..
114. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
you have also stated that you dont troll.. but was limited due to trolling. hmmmmm
115. PapaSmurf (Posts: 6631; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Oh how nice to see you again!
And that's not trolling sorry buddy. He just simply said that this is the first time Samsung has brought out a patent on something what people would call "a silly patent" when in reality there's a step process behind it all.
118. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
you sound just like him and yet he was limited.. so don't defend was is not defendable, besides how can you know what he said?.. you guys hung out together?..
69. willard12 (Posts: 553; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Mr. Jedii, maybe you can help me. How many lawsuits were there in the cell phone industry before Apple started them? How many lawsuits have occurred between HTC, Samsung, Motorola, and LG? Does apple copy....while suing for copying? Was Steve Jobs a deadbeat? What has apple actually INVENTED in the mobile phone industry? Does the iPhone lack true 4G, expandable storage, and BT file transfers? If yes, why? Is the iPhone inexpensive to make while apple charges premium prices? Now, can you get over the displeasure some consumers may have with a company that intentionally withholds features from consumers, markets itself as an innovator and yet invents nothing, and tries to ban products some are anticipating? People don't like apple....deal with it.
112. sithman (banned) (Posts: 299; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
People do like apple people also hate apple and android deal with that
93. omar300 (Posts: 171; Member since: 24 Jun 2012)
you dont hear Samsung suing other companies ffor that.
3. The_Godfather (Posts: 146; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
Our time is now :) come on Sammy kick that rotten Apple...!!
47. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)
I'm hoping and wishing and asking for them to win! S@msung.
68. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5282; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Apple needs to learn that the route of intimidation through patent litigation is not productive. A loss to Sammy on a lawsuit Apple initiated is probably the only way they will learn the lesson. When you live in an echo chamber, you start believing your own pronouncements. We haven't seen a hunger for litigation out of Oracle since they got drubbed in the Oracle v. Google litigation. Same for Apple if it loses its lawsuit against Sammy.
84. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
so its alright for samsung to have a patent on emailing pictures (a wide utility patent that offers nothing on the design of sending said pictures) but not for apple who created a unique interface? (notice apple doesnt have a patent on interfaces in general, just a specific design of one similar to microsoft)
87. Jphones (Posts: 230; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
up lucas patenting a piece of technology not a drawing is an actual credible patent. Samsung doesn't sue everybody else for attaching pics to emails do they? Apple would patent the name lucas and sue everybody for using it.
4. androidornothing (Posts: 143; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
Yaaaaa get back at them. When iPhone 5 comes out they will get sued for 4GLTE.
80. RapidCat (Posts: 351; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)
Did u hear moto vs apple about 3g and 4g patent
8. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 460; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)
Whatever makes y'all feel better i'm all for it! Good luck rooting against a multi billion dollar company and rooting for one as well. Y'all loyalty is amazing!
12. darkkjedii (Posts: 9290; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Exactly man. Who the hell cares we won't get a dime of money from either company. I can care less who wins, I don't work for either and I use both of their devices.
21. MeoCao (unregistered)
So you will support anything only for money?
26. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)
Why did everyone thumb him down? He was conclusive and fair!
105. sithman (banned) (Posts: 299; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
I think darkkjedii got banned for teasing the android users Lastnight. He's never this quite lol
108. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)
I wonder why did he act like that?
He was jelous?
He got thumbed down?
He was angry?
But why did PhoneArena banned him, what did he say? He was being honest? Boy you can't even express you'r feeling's and thought's. I wonder why?
111. sithman (banned) (Posts: 299; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
I'm gonna miss him it's only a week though
34. networkdood (Posts: 5539; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
so, darkkjedii, you do not support apple?
13. groupsacc (Posts: 232; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)
I don't think most of us here are defending one particular "multi billion dollar company", as you would put it. We are defending the whole Android-eco system, that we adore and grew fond to. We just love the openness, non-restrictiveness, and non-evil type of software that Google brought to the table, and is being raided by a company that produces closed and restricted OS.
And, if you call us "loyal little doggies" (as you said on post #5) for supporting an OS that promotes openness and freedom, so be it.
17. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 460; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)
One of the most contradicting statements ever. You do realize lots of people could care less about openness. Again, good luck in your rooting for android. If you like it, I love it!
20. groupsacc (Posts: 232; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)
Yeah, I understand that, and they buy iPhones. I got no problem with that, it's per choice. I actually bought the first original iPhone when it first came out, and it was miles ahead of everything else at the time.
But, now I've discovered Android and it really opened up my perspective.
Some people buy Android and some people buy iPhones. It's all good. But don't deprive us of making a choice by suing using ridiculous claims.
29. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)
So you prefer closed restricted half-baked Darwin OS. With less functionality.
101. audiblenarcotic (Posts: 108; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
I'm not exactly sure what Darwin has to do with iOS. If anything by comparison wouldn't Android be more of an evolutionary OS rather then Apple's Creationist OS? Just Saying.
103. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
iOS is based off of Unix which is a more limited offshoot of Linux.. which is what Android is based off of. They actually share the same family tree if you go back far enough.
104. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4601; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
iOS is based on Unix and Linux is Unix-like system.
36. networkdood (Posts: 5539; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
A lot of people do not like openness - huh, I wonder why :-)
37. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
take out the whole part you have an issue with, and the basic is the same. This isnt about Apple vs Samsung.
This is about apple getting validation and precedence on its patents if it beats samsung. Once precedence is set, apple will go after EVERY manufacturer it deems threatening and maybe eventually after Google itself. Like I pointed out in the other reply on this thread, look at apples "infringement chart". Look at the generic shape design it got a patent for, for tablet use. That generic shape looks like 99% of all tablets on the market. If they could convince enough juries that they really somehow "own" the rectangle/square shape with a centered screen, they could shut down nearly all tablet makers.
The trial against samsung is a setting stage.. a stepping stone. If they "win" AND get 1/4th of what they are asking for, I'd be highly surprised. I bet they would be too.
However, if they win, you will see this same trial over and over and over again with different defendants.
58. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2871; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
And we will be forced to go through these damn patent and lawsuit articles for the REAL stories.
Apple wants to create an monopoly, simple as that.
98. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
it is really just that simple. They tried to take the space and thought they would permanently dominate like MS has done with PCs. Android pulled the rug out from under them and is developing at a continual break neck pace (hell, even im surprised at how fast new innovations keep coming). They are not winning on ideals and apps, so they are trying to take it back through litigation. Samsung is the proverbial Goliath gate keeper to the Android kingdom. Getting past Samsung with these "patents" intact opens them up to a whole world of litigation possibilities.
A near monopoly IS the final goal. You are very correct.
57. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)
In life you must be very restricted of what you can and can't do. Do have no freedom, or someone chooses and control's you?
19. joey_sfb (Posts: 1973; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Apple excel in marketing and now disruption of competition via lawsuits.
Google excel in handling people and creation of relevant technology.
Rooting for Samsung (by not buying apple product) is an extension of giving apple a tight slap in the face.
42. networkdood (Posts: 5539; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
wow, tre, you need to relax and take a couple of puffs....although, I admit that APPLE is lawyering up pretty well, so far....better than Sammy.
11. fragmentation (banned) (Posts: 31; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
One Samsung patent covers the technology that allows smartphone users to quickly find pictures on a photo album
What kind of the patent is this?
22. joey_sfb (Posts: 1973; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Sammy has the patent prior to 2007.
Does Sammy goes round asking for 2 billon dollars of infringement benefit?
Imagine if the same patent fall into apple's dirty little hands how much will apple be asking??
110. ftyler223 (Posts: 140; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
ya but joey its different. sammy copied the ui of apple. like all the apps and everything were iphone like. sammy trying to pull a email patent? come on dude! sammy literally is screwed. they copied and thats that.
113. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
proving bias regardless of facts with that statement.