Samsung introduces blazing-fast 256GB UFS 2.0 memory chip, can we say Galaxy Note 6?
1. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
That storage alone will cost north of 300-400$, considering that it must use a PCIe bus over NVMe to get those speeds. I'm excited about this kind of storage though as it even puts Samsung 850 pro(arguably best SATA SSD on market) to shame on sequential reads.
12. BLUEBLASTER (Posts: 333; Member since: 23 Feb 2014)
But then like how soon will this come to mobile devices?
34. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Says it in production right? They could bust out 1M of these in a week's time I bet if not more.
Come on, bring it to the Note 6 and every Galaxy top end phone and tablet for next year.
13. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
I have an 850 Evo myself, didn't see a need for the pro, and that only cost me a little over $300, so I'm not sure I get why you're thinking around $300-$400?
15. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
This chip is much smaller than a 2.5" SSD. It's smaller then even microSD. Miniaturization costs a lot.
I'm also planning on 850 evo or Crucial BX100, The crucial one is super cheap though, way under 100$ for 256 GB.
20. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
It's a 1TB drive, and not really, with how printing 3D V-Nand works, this is actually cheaper to produce per GB.
23. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
Hell, they even have 1TB mSATA for less than when I originally bought that drive.
36. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
It's not smaller than a microSD card. Look at the Flash chip on your present phone. It should be the same size I bet.
Unless you are talking about the actual size inside the chip package and then yes it's as small as a chip inside microSD
39. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
According to Androidpolice it is smaller than a microSD.
This is not the same chip as in your phone. This is a much more advanced tech.
35. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
I bought the 840 Evo Pro for 279 for 240GB. Pc boots in 60 secs or less. File transfers are amazing fast at roughly 50MB per sec or more depending.
Since my laptop (17" Envy) has 2 drive bays, my second drive is a hybrid ssd/had and when I've files, I moved 50GB of music in less than 1 hour.
Something like this in a phone or tablet or even Windows tablets like the Surface Pro 5 would be super- stupendous.
Samsung is the innovator.
16. vincelongman (Posts: 4424; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
UFS uses M-PHY, which is similar to PCIe
That's the same interface that Google is using for Project Ara
Its usually used to connect the SoC to the camera, modem, chipset, display, ...
UFC 2.0 uses 2 of those
2x M-PHY HS G3 = 2x 600M bps = 1200 Mbps interface
18. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
I guess you need at least about 12 of these to push 850 MB/s = 6800 Mbps. And some buffer, as sata 6 Gbps can only push 550 MB/s = 4400 Mbps.
19. vincelongman (Posts: 4424; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Sorry, I totally messed it up
I just started looking into this now
Forgot about Mb/s is not MB/s
Also I took the low speed, not the high speed
I think it should actually be
2x M-PHY HS G3 = 2x 5 Gb/s = 10 Gb/s /8= 1.25 GB/s interface
21. vincelongman (Posts: 4424; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Oh right, also forgot that's just the hardware interface
We also need to take into account the software interface
That's the reason NVMe PCIe SSDs are faster than AHCI PCIe SSDs
Even though they both use the same PCIe interface
25. johanbiff (Posts: 400; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)
Also called "2-lane" UFS 2.0 instead of just 1 lane
33. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
False. Because if they put it in the Note they can't raise the cost by that.
Dude, a 256GB sdcard, not Microsd, costs less than $100. How much you think this costs to make?
Anyways, could this possibly mean the Note 6 won't have sdcard? If so this is what Samsung should have did with the St models. They should have offered the S6 with 64GB as base model and 128GB as alternative for 699 and 799 and that would have been perfext. Same for the Edge+ at 799 and 899. The Note 5 should have just been a 128GB model on my at 799.
No one but an idiot would have complained about no SD card as long as they had more storage inside.
If they drop this in the Note 6, it won't need an sdcard.
So offer the Note 6 as 128 and 256 for a cost of 699 and 799...or maybe even 799 and 899. With monthly plans most people could afford that easily.
Come on Samsung this is very good news.
37. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
It costs 200$ to bump from 32 GB to 128 GB. This is double that. So 300$ is pretty normal. Add to that it's 4 times as fast as UFS 2.0 in S6/S7.
This will just be for the prosumers, just a 300/400$ upgrade for the person with cash to burn.Regular variants like 32 GB will still cost less.
A 1 TB HDD also costs less than 60$, but that doesn't mean a 1 TB SSD will cost 60$. The difference between this storage and SD cards is even higher.
A high-end SD card: 90-100 MB/s
A high-end HDD: 150 MB/s speeds
SATA SSD: 550 MB/s
This storage: 850 MB/s
Considering that SSD is 5x expensive than HDD, this storage should be around 5-10x more expensive than SD.
2. rick_mobile (Posts: 271; Member since: 13 Dec 2010)
If Samsung does this plus adds everything the galaxy s7 has, then the note 6 will be the only phone I will need for a good while
4. TrevorB1 (Posts: 64; Member since: 30 Dec 2015)
I can't wait for the new Note 6! Bring it on!
5. AstronautJones (Posts: 303; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)
More likely for a Tab S. Would love to see it in Note 6, but not holding my breath
8. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1498; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)
They don't even put the latest SoC for the Tab S lol
11. geordie8t1 (Posts: 38; Member since: 16 Nov 2015)
unlikely, i think tablet storage is Considerably far behind phone usage needs, and given the cost of such chips I very much doubt we would see a 256gb option for at least another 2/3 years or if we do it would carry a MASSIVE premium due to the cost of manufacturing, i mean it could be somewhere like £200/$200 above a 128gb version handset and i think a lot of people would initially be very reluctant to pay that when a 200gb micro sd card costs around £60/$80 and so you could save money by buying a 64gb device instead of 128gb just my opinion of course tho so who knows
38. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
2 or 3 can be written as 2/3...he didn't say 2/3rd which is a fraction. Lol
Just like this/that and the other.
6. Lycan155 (Posts: 254; Member since: 24 Nov 2013)
If there is a company that continueosly pushes the moblile tech forward it is definitely samsung +1
Useful software features
We are lucky to have this good company in the mibile tech world
10. catze86 (Posts: 726; Member since: 07 Dec 2015)
Yeah. Without Samsung we will never see Android Tablets. Samsung with their competitivness atitude (or over obsesive towards apple? he hehe).
40. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
And we are getting all thisbtech, without paying absorbent prices for 2 year old hardware. We are paying equal and less and sometimes slightly more, yet we are a getting more.
Compare the iPhone at $649 vs the S6 at $599 when it was released. Look how much more you get.
More storage, larger screen, higher resolution, fast charging, decent batterylife, new design, top screen of the year, best camera of the year, better low light shots, heart rate, premium build quality and the list goes on.
What does Apple give? NOTHING.
This is why I criticize Apple. I am not saying the iPhone had to have all of that, but then again; for what it costs they should have been the first with it. That's not hate it's just my opinion based on the cost. After all if Samsung can, why can't Apple or anyone else for that matter?
43. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
"new design" I'm just rolling at that.
Yet will all that 'tech', people are paying so they can walk into an apple store and do what they need to do, let me know my nearest Samsung only store. Yes stores cost money, billions actually.
As well, despite all that tech, the chips are keeping up and beating the Samsung phones in real world tests. The screen while 720p or 1080p is not the highest end, they look gorgous, normal people cannot see the difference.
I am always gonna knock apple, I have to tech them and androids all day, I get to see all the stupid Samsung issues, like the sim card no read error of the s4's, the dead screens of the s5's, the not turning on of the s6's and more. Apple has their issues as well.
As well when people do go apple, they buy into an ecosystem that is yet to be matched for ease of use, I don't find it easy, but others do.
48. iushnt (Posts: 1687; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)
I've seen a lot more issues with iPhones and a lot less with Samsungs in my real life
51. Techist (Posts: 242; Member since: 27 Jan 2015)
I have to agree with you on that. Over the past five years, the only Samsung device that failed me and my family members was a Tab Pro 8.4 where the screen failed. That's from 2 S2's, a Nexus 10, 2 Tab S 8.4s, 1 Tab S 10.5, 1 Note 4 and one S6 Edge. On the Apple side, every family member who has purchased an iPhone (except purchases last year, so far) has had to have the screen replaced or some other repair issue. We're talking well over a dozen iPhones. I think the record speaks for itself.
55. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Come to my job, and watch how many Samsungs we take in compared to iPhones. I am I the US, where Samsung and iphones are on equal sales footing. Our data does not go along with what you have 'seen'.
As a side note for 'seen'. Our team has 7 iphones and 6 Samsungs, no iphones have been replaced. So far an s6Edge screen outage and an S6 battery have been replaced by the team. This is our team, another team can have the complete opposite.
But from our data, samsungs have more exchanges than iphones. Heck before I typed this the last customer I helped, had 3 note 5's in under 6 months due to either software or hardware issues.
49. tedkord (Posts: 11626; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Normal people can and do see the difference.
9. shy2papa (Posts: 309; Member since: 23 Jan 2010)
Funny Samsung makes over 50% of mobile storage chips but you find it hard or nearly impossible to get a Samsung Galaxy s6 dual sim 64gb, but very easy to get IPhone in all memory sizes.
14. avishekmukherjee (Posts: 294; Member since: 09 Apr 2015)
bring it on Samsung :D
17. tango_charlie (Posts: 250; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
Lol. And they are still using 32GB for their high-end phones. maybe they should first start making 64gb a standard before reaching for the stars!
22. vasra (Posts: 10; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)
No way. Samsung can't even ship 64GB internal flash memory models.
Unlike Huawei, Xiaomi, Apple, Asus....
This is for future iPhones and some Chinese makers.
The chipmaker Samsung is a different unit from mobile phone maker Samsung and will sell the volume of 256GB chips to the highest bidder (i.e. Apple). The rest get the scraps.
Think with your brain, not with your fanboy-emotions.
41. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Really? You think Apple will put a 256GB storage in the iPhone or iPad? Haha. You're the fan boy here.
Dude they released a phone that can record 4k and they still shoved a 16GB flash drive inside. You must be high.
44. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
And also a 128GB model but lets not talk about actual options. You must be tarded.
50. tedkord (Posts: 11626; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Really? Where did this 64gb in my Note 5 come from?
24. Obádárà (Posts: 129; Member since: 02 Nov 2015)
... Samsung is pushing us up into the future. Sammy is worth a standing ovation for this, but are we going to have this in the Note 6?...
27. Dodong (Posts: 31; Member since: 30 Jul 2015)
Lets go samsung put this on the note 6 I'll be trading my s7 edge then.
28. tgom222 (Posts: 28; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
"Yes, that's 850 megabytes, and yes, that's 1 second. This insane data transfer speed is not only on par with most desktop SATA SSD drives, it's actually smoking all but the high-end ones out of the water."
No SATA SSD is that fast. The theoretical limit of SATA III is 600MB/s. I don't know what high end SATA SSD you think you have, but it's not doing 850MB/s.
Anything faster than 600MB/s has to be a PCI-E SSD or SATA Express (which none that fast are on the market.)
29. brrunopt (Posts: 742; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)
In real use a 550MB/s SATA SSD will still be faster .. Why ? IOPS..
30. adsg48 (Posts: 60; Member since: 18 Apr 2015)
S7 coming with 32/64 GB ROM...availability of the 64 GB model isn't very clear because this time there is a microSD slot. Samsung ditched the 128 GB S6 and Note 5 in various markets. So at this point I am not very hopeful that Note 6 coming with 256 GB storage worldwide. It's a shame that all the Android flagships pops out of MWC 2016 coming with 32 GB ROM.
31. adsg48 (Posts: 60; Member since: 18 Apr 2015)
may be it is for rumoured iPhone 7 Plus model
42. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Yeah you wish.
With Apple only giving 16GB with a phone that can record 4k, you really think they will.jump on 256?
Whatever you're smoking, share so I can be delusional too.
45. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Delusional Techie at his finest ignoring 2 other models of Apple. Dude you are trying so hard it's sad really.
47. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1498; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)
What if they ditch the 16GB model? 32GB will be base followed by 64,128 and 256GB options
32. catze86 (Posts: 726; Member since: 07 Dec 2015)
I just hope Samsung creates Micro SD with the speed like this beast. So no one complaint about Storagegate in Android MM
46. hado86 (Posts: 104; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)
Well I guess this means the 256gb iPhone 7plus and iPad pro 2 are hopefully a go.
53. Kevro_86 (Posts: 30; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
IR BLASTER! Samsung better not eff the Note 6 on this! There's a reason that hundreds of millions of phones have IR remote control apps downloaded from the Play Store on them. I am sick & tired of hearing of all the alternate solutions for those phones that don't have the freaking $5 IR Blaster included, because they all require separate hardware accessories, and may not always be with you wherever you go, like your phone is!!!! If Apple started putting IR's in their phones, Sammy would be right back on that IR Blaster bandwagon!!
54. kevin91202 (Posts: 557; Member since: 08 Jun 2014)
@PA. Large-screen mobile device does NOT mean the Galaxy Note 6. Rather, Samsung is referring to tablets.
Please use some common sense.