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Documents allegedly reveal NSA's ability to steal data from the Apple iPhone

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Documents allegedly reveal NSA's ability to steal data from the Apple iPhone
Leaked documents made public on Monday by a security researcher and German publication Das Spiegel, revealed that the NSA has a program for grabbing information off of the Apple iPhone. The program, called DROPOUTJEEP, enables the NSA to access contact lists, find an iPhone user using cell tower data, and intercept SMS messages. Remotely, the government agency can operate the camera and the microphone on the handset.

The documents claim that the NSA has a 100% success rate when implanting spyware into an iOS device. Perhaps the scariest bit of information is that the NSA gets physical access to implant the spyware by intercepting Apple iPhone shipments purchased online. But that soon may longer be necessary as the spy agency is working on a way to install the spyware remotely.

"I don't really believe that Apple didn't help them. I can't really prove it yet, but [the NSA] literally claim that anytime they target an iOS device, that it will succeed for implantation. Either they have a huge collection of exploits that work against Apple products, meaning that they are hoarding information about critical systems that American companies produce and sabotaging them, or Apple sabotaged it themselves. Not sure which one it is. I'd like to believe that since Apple didn't join the PRISM program until after Steve Jobs died, that maybe it's just that they write [expletive redacted] software. We know that's true."-Jacob Applebaum, Security Researcher

The security researcher, Jacob Applebaum, says he believes that Apple has some involvement here, but says that he can't prove it. His comments can be found on the video below, starting at the 44:30 mark.


source: AlbertVeli, TheDailyDot via AppleInsider

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posted on 30 Dec 2013, 20:35 14

1. javac (Posts: 102; Member since: 04 Mar 2013)


Where is Mxyzptlk when you need him...

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 20:50 6

3. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 3510; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


This is not Apples fault.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 20:59 21

6. Astoni (Posts: 504; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)


Or It is :)

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 21:53 25

13. Whateverman (Posts: 3198; Member since: 17 May 2009)


So let me get this straight, when there's Spyware found on any Android device... It's Googles fault. But when Apple devices are hacked even BEFORE you active it, connect to iTunes, or download any apps... And it's not Apple's fault?

Like I said, your knees must really be sore.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 06:12 5

35. darkkjedii (Posts: 11216; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


I think apples in on it. 100% success rate, no way they're innocent.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 10:31 1

47. Whateverman (Posts: 3198; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I wish I could believe that, DJ. Not just about Apple, but Google and Microsoft too. I get the feeling all these guys rolled over to some degree, but when we (The consumers) got wind of it, suddenly they were all shocked this was happening. But landline phone have been getting trapped for decades now, so can we really expect it wouldn't happen with cellphones? Most of us saw this coming years ago.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 11:57

52. darkkjedii (Posts: 11216; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Exactly, I also think it extends to the tv's in our homes. Big brother is always watching, to an extent I don't blame them, but leave people alone who don't fit a certain criteria. Due to the events that have happened around the world since 2001, spying will never stop. Just think of the spying going on that we don't know about, this info got to us the general public, cuz the powers that be didn't feel they needed to hide it. Mobile tech makes organizing terror attacks a lot easier. I'm not against it, but my mom doesn't need to get spied on...feel me? +1

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 11:59

53. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5750; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Actually, land line phones aren't really of much interest to the 3 letter agencies. Land line phones don't broadcast our movements. The 3 letter agencies are much more interested in the data they pull off the mobile tracking devices we all own and keep with us throughout every day.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 09:08 3

40. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1195; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


"Like I said, your knees must really be sore."

That's what i-pads are used for.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 10:32

48. Whateverman (Posts: 3198; Member since: 17 May 2009)


ROFLMAO! Good one!

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 22:34 4

19. HouTexan (Posts: 311; Member since: 08 Jan 2012)


Such a hypocrite.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 23:21 1

26. Pings (Posts: 301; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


It's not. Don't get me wrong I hate Apple as much as they next guy. Don't be fooled they're doing it to us all. It's doesn't matter what OS or device you are on. The NSA is watching... and keeping data, and voice recordings, and GPS coordinates...

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 08:13

38. darkkjedii (Posts: 11216; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Smart man.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 11:36

51. javac (Posts: 102; Member since: 04 Mar 2013)


Lets talk about how apple promised the nsa wont be able to get your fingerprint because they are stored on the hard drive. Now lets talk about how this shows that apple lied to us all... Wait what? apple lied to us? Its not possible! Grow up Mxyzptlk.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 13:37 1

59. applesucker (Posts: 81; Member since: 29 Oct 2013)


its their fault cause they allowed them to do so

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 20:53 18

4. xperiaDROID (Posts: 5404; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


He will show his love to Apple.
Mxyzptlk: "I would love to get spied by NSA, good job Apple. Now, I feel more secured than before."

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 21:17 10

7. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6437; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


Not to mention they are reading your FINGER PRINT with its finger sensor

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 21:19 4

8. apple4never (Posts: 947; Member since: 08 May 2013)


imagine the flood of prints they now have of us, even on the demo ones everyone plays with, they can store info off of that, wheres our privacy laws or can the government do whatever it wants

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 21:50

12. Dingy_cellar_dweller (Posts: 185; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


Be a sport and use a different finger every time you unlock your phone.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 22:03

15. thephonedude (Posts: 59; Member since: 27 Oct 2012)


But all fingers have the SAME prints....

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 12:04

54. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5750; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Ya think so? Try putting each of your finger pads on an ink pad and then press your finger pads on a sheet of unlined white paper. Look closely at the resulting prints. If they are the same, you are the only human on planet Earth with the same 10 finger prints.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 23:20 4

24. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5750; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Used to be your fingerprints were not collected until you were arrested. Now, courtesy of Apple's cooperation, your fingerprints are bagged every time you unlock your iP5S.

Nothing like Apple being a stooge for NSA.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 08:18

39. Ninetysix (Posts: 1584; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


Now we forget about the Motorola Atrix. I see what you did there.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 10:37 1

49. EclipseGSX (limited) (Posts: 1587; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Now you remember that the Atrix worked...I see what YOU did there

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 09:45

45. donfem (Posts: 526; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


Funny this is that when some thieves steal iphones, they inadvertently provide more information for the storage unit while trying to unlock. :)

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 01:22

32. Ashoaib (Posts: 1984; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


This is the reason now I avoid US products, specially cell phones

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 09:38

42. donfem (Posts: 526; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


The mighty "safe" iphone. :)

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 13:24

57. Ashoaib (Posts: 1984; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


Why there was a huge cry over a possible spying from china? although it was just an assumption... forcing huawie to rethink their business in US... criminal always think that the other person is a criminal too...

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 20:40 2

2. AfterShock (Posts: 2800; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


They gave/caved like anyone else.
Only surprising to it's user base though.
(And possibly that clown that resides here on PA.)

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 20:53

5. andynaija (Posts: 460; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)


Applebaum

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 21:40

9. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1345; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


my only contact is John Appleseed

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 21:42 1

10. wilsong17 (Posts: 893; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)


ahhaahahah there you go apple fshe3p keep drinking that apple juice if you think apple is safe

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 21:53 4

14. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 928; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


NO device is safe when sophisticated hackers can actually intercept devices and get hands-on time with them. It's naive to think of this as an "OS vs OS" fight or "Look how flawed Device X is" argument. This is an erosion of civil liberties and an assault on personal freedom, plain and simple, and if you can't see that, I pity you.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 22:42

21. androiphone20 (Posts: 1424; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


+1 to that, I came across an article on the verge that reported that the nsa is able to spy on your wifi connection 8 miles away

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 21:50 1

11. wilsong17 (Posts: 893; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)


There's just less than 3 weeks till AAPL blowout earnings report.

So OF COURSE the iPhone release on China Mobile is a flop.
So OF COURSE AAPL is actually just a "front" for the NSA.
So OF COURSE iPhones are clearly NSA monitoring devices.
So OF COURSE Chromebook is decimating Apple laptop sales.

Countdown to story that iPhone fingerprint scanner forwards your fingerprint to NSA in, 3-2-1...

Some people never learn.
(and Wall St thanks you for that fact)

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 22:22 1

16. tacarat (Posts: 141; Member since: 22 Apr 2013)


The first half sounds like iCloud access, particularly the contact access. The rest isn't anything new if they have carrier access. It's the mic and camera access that's more disconcerting. Considering the idea of intercepting a target's order can be done with any handset... well, probably nobody is safe unless you're getting phones straight from stores or 2nd hand.

Not that we're very interesting here >.>

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 00:21

30. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5750; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


The only certain way to prevent remote access is to pull the battery. Unfortunately, fewer and fewer phones have batteries that can be easily removed. iPhone isn't one of them.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 22:28 3

17. Teja171 (unregistered)


Stupid Americans are cheating the entire world. They will fall down soon.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 22:33 2

18. androiphone20 (Posts: 1424; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


I'm pretty sure there are countless other agencies around the globe that are not yet busted, the NSA are doing a bad thing but at the same time it's for the greater good, to protect their people against terrorism

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 22:39 5

20. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 928; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


The KGB and Stasi probably thought they were "protecting their people," as well. It is not for agencies to decide what the will of the people is, it is for the people to decide. The people should never fear their government, since they are supposed to serve the people.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 22:50

22. androiphone20 (Posts: 1424; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


Agreed, I think they felt like it was a conscious decision to go that far, they really underestimated the scale of how it was going to blow up in their faces

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 23:55 4

29. Teja171 (unregistered)


They by themselves are the biggest terrorists . F**k you NSA for scanning every data passing through your gateway.The ball won't be in your court for a long time.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 00:39 2

31. ePoch270 (Posts: 92; Member since: 26 Sep 2013)


Not that I agree with what the NSA is doing, but what makes you think it will stop? The politicians cleary won't change anything and the courts are backing the process as legal. All three branches of government are happy with the status quo.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 06:16

36. darkkjedii (Posts: 11216; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


I doubt it

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 22:51 2

23. Bootutu (Posts: 187; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


Sweet Jesus! I knew Apple is a government organisation since Obama vetoed a ban on iPhones for infringing Samsung patents, what a bunch of losers.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 18:37

60. Dingy_cellar_dweller (Posts: 185; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


You think a backdoor deal was made for a backdoor into iOS

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 23:21

25. bibekpachhai (unregistered)


I like everyone only see USA as the bad evil thing when I bet every first world countries are doing this. The thing about this is that NSA was the only one caught.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 23:45 1

27. quakan (Posts: 1181; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)


Many of us need to keep in mind that it is known now that the US government is forcing companies to play ball or suffer the consequences. The NSA has been given the power to say that anything they deem necessary or vital to the US' national security must be readily available for their consumption at any time. Espionage is nothing new and will continue on through any and all mediums made possible.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 23:49 1

28. Teja171 (unregistered)


Ever wished why Obama never used iphones ? He also would be a victim of NSA. LOL

F******G americans..

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 09:15 1

41. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1195; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


Be careful with the hate. You may be flagged as a terrorist. Don't be surprised if your denied entrance into my homeland.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 09:40

43. donfem (Posts: 526; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


Mind your language. You d..t

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 01:32 1

33. ausnote2 (Posts: 79; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)


WOW, the tenant of apple been secure is utter crap. As the quote goes, "either apple is complicit with NSA or they write sh$t software".

You decide.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 06:11 1

34. darkkjedii (Posts: 11216; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Man that sucks a$$. I'd better hide my porn lol.
I think apples in on it. 100% success rate, no way they're innocent. The other guys are doing it too

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 07:14 2

37. good2great (Posts: 1039; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


everybody is in on it... what's dumb is the people in here pointing a finger at Apple like its the only one... smh. More reason for you guys to keep this flame crap on when the serious issue is people's privacy. Google and Apple probably are forced to allow this stuff to happen to its consumers.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 09:43 2

44. donfem (Posts: 526; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


The issue is not about "dumb people..pointing finger at apple". The issue is about dumb sh..ps who thought their mighty piece of toy is extremely safe, and perhaps the "safest gadget" out there ever made by man.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 10:06 1

46. darkkjedii (Posts: 11216; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Exactly, this goes way beyond apple. Fanboys will do what they do though.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 10:41

50. EclipseGSX (limited) (Posts: 1587; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Oh no, don't use my data to help me. The only people that should be worried about this are criminals. Stop being so paranoid, you are not that interesting.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 13:27

58. tacarat (Posts: 141; Member since: 22 Apr 2013)


Until you are, then it's blackmail material to get your cooperation on something else. Politicians or judges not voting in their favor, for example. You might have an unexpected success too.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 12:21

55. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Now you know why President Vetos on a sales ban.

posted on 31 Dec 2013, 12:26 1

56. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Not just Apple, every American company is cooperating with NSA and then US blames chinese companies for spying. Whole concept of CLOUD is for Spying.

http://www.bradreese.com/blog/12-30-2013.htm

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