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Apple loses suit filed over Face Time's VPN technology; jury awards VirnetX $625 million

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Apple loses suit filed over Face Time's VPN technology; jury awards VirnetX $625 million
VirnetX sued Apple back in 2010 over the use of unlicensed VPN patents employed by the iPhone manufacturer for its Face Time video calling feature. In 2012, Apple was told to pay VirnetX $368 million over the unlicensed use of the patent. Apple tried to defend itself by saying that the technology owned by VirnetX represented a very small part of the larger technology used in Face Time. 

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit overturned that verdict, deciding that the trial judge erred in the way he instructed the jury on how to compute damages. A second trial was ordered  that combined the original case along with a second suit that had been filed by VirnetX. On Wednesday, a federal jury in Texas awarded VirnetX $625 million. Not only is that figure higher than the original verdict, it topped the $532 million that the plaintiff was asking for. This isn't the first time that the patent portfolio holding company has won some money from an iconic tech company with this patent. In 2010, Microsoft agreed to pay VirnetX $200 million for using its VPN technology without permission.

Apple also filed papers with the court, requesting that U.S. District Judge Robert Schroeder declare a mistrial. Apple claims that VirnetX's lawyer misled the jury during closing arguments.

With $216 billion in cash sitting in Apple's coffers, the tech titan could easily pay the $625 million award. Instead Apple plans on appealing the verdict. Sounding very much like Samsung's filing to the U.S. Supreme Court, Apple said "We are surprised and disappointed by the verdict. Cases like this simply reinforce the desperate need for patent reform." 

source: Reuters

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posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:01 14

1. SirYar (Posts: 351; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)


"Cases like this simply reinforce the desperate need for patent reform" For once I agree with Apple. Something needs to be done against their patent trolling.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 05:16 12

20. AnTuTu (Posts: 1578; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)


What goes around comes around?

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:01 29

2. Mfa901 (Posts: 258; Member since: 14 Jul 2012)


look who is asking for patent reform

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 02:02 16

17. techperson211 (Posts: 1179; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)


"We are surprised and disappointed by the verdict. Cases like this simply reinforce the desperate need for patent reform." . The irony.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 05:06 8

19. Shocky (unregistered)


Priceless, coming from Apple.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:08 32

3. maherk (Posts: 3492; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


Apple have shame. Trying to downplay the effect of this technology, yet they went and sued Samsung for rounded corners lol

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:08 18

4. maherk (Posts: 3492; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


No shame**

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 05:31

22. darkkjedii (Posts: 20087; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


I laughed when I read that part. Like that was gonna sway the judge...

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 05:43

24. jroc74 (Posts: 5996; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


THANK YOU!!!

"In 2012, Apple was told to pay VirnetX $368 million over the unlicensed use of the patent. Apple tried to defend itself by saying that the technology owned by VirnetX represented a very small part of the larger technology used in Face Time."

Really, Apple? No, really?

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:12 1

5. villagerguyz (Posts: 92; Member since: 22 Jul 2015)


Patent troll? VirnetX sounds fishy for me.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:16 11

6. maherk (Posts: 3492; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


Apple said "We are surprised and disappointed by the verdict. Cases like this simply reinforce the desperate need for patent reform."

Wait what!!

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:29 7

7. deewinc (Posts: 235; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


Patent reform??? Apple ROTFL

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:34 1

8. PatrickJames (Posts: 1; Member since: 04 Feb 2016)


The best way to secure FaceTime, iCloud, WhatsApp, Viber, Facebook, Twitter, Gmail and all other data on all iOS devices, be it an iPhone or iPad, is to use a VPN service called PureVPN. It's got 256-bit of data encryption power and IKEv2 protocol for fast and secure transmission of encrypted data. It's best for being encrypted, undetectable and completely secured on the internet!

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:36 13

9. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2366; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


"Cases like this simply reinforce the desperate need for patent reform"

As do all your cases against Samsung involving stolen ideas you patented as yours:

bit.ly/1QIlMTy bit.ly/1O62SXP bit.ly/1TMm0ID bit.ly/1QIi0JQ bit.ly/1I5UYvp

Only took a few tastes of your own medicine to realize it...typical hypocrites (bit.ly/1si5DVX).

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:40 8

10. zeppo (Posts: 61; Member since: 21 Jul 2015)


If Apple can sue Samsung for rectangular and rounded corners without a patent, then anyone can sue Apple.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:47 9

11. johanbiff (Posts: 388; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)


are really Apple the one to talk about "Cases like this simply reinforce the desperate need for patent reform"? they got what they deserved IMO

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:48 6

12. SkyfallWalker (Posts: 73; Member since: 28 Jan 2016)


Patent reform? This is coming from Apple? O_O

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:49

13. SkyfallWalker (Posts: 73; Member since: 28 Jan 2016)


...but anyway, good luck.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:49

14. SkyfallWalker (Posts: 73; Member since: 28 Jan 2016)


...but anyway, good luck.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:51 2

15. wargreymon (Posts: 678; Member since: 05 Nov 2013)


April 1st already?

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 01:54 8

16. Wiencon (Posts: 1818; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)


Hypocrisy is strong with Apple

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 04:55 5

18. Supersonic (Posts: 181; Member since: 15 May 2015)


Apple getting back at their own coin. A disgusting company.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 05:34

23. darkkjedii (Posts: 20087; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Pretty much every for profit company to ever exist is disgusting on some level. That's why they try so hard to keep their dirty laundry secret.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 05:31 1

21. darkkjedii (Posts: 20087; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Lol at Apple on this one. No matter how small the tech is that's being employed, it's still theirs. Shoulda got a licensing deal on that one Apple. Now write that check: pay to the order of darkkjedii.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 05:58 2

25. Baracus (Posts: 223; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)


Apple crying for patent reform is the equivalent of a burglar calling the police when someone breaks in and steals from them.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 10:34 1

29. Techist (Posts: 231; Member since: 27 Jan 2015)


More like the burglar calling the police when they discover that someone grabbed something from the van they were stuffing their stolen loot into.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 13:33

33. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2366; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


LMAO, very accurate!

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 08:45

26. 47AlphaTango (Posts: 284; Member since: 27 Sep 2015)


What's VPN for, found on iphone?

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 08:53

27. NexusX (Posts: 483; Member since: 16 May 2013)


i think you guys should actually research the company before commenting and pointing your fingers at Apple.

VirnetX is obviously a patent troll who wants a piece of the Apple pie for vague technology that they never commercialized

if you look at their website, VirnetX sells zero product/services other than a stated royalty fee on the claimed patent, there is only vague description of what they do. their board of directors aka people running the company are made of ONE ENGINNER (probably a guy who holds the patent) AND A BUNCH OF BUSINESS/ECONOMIC DEGREE HOLDERS AND LAWYERS. THEY OBVIOUSLY FORMED THIS COMPANY RECENTLY JUST FOR PURPOSE OF SUING APPLE.

apple engineers spend years commercializing and perfecting the technology, now some lawyer and a guy with a patent wants his share of the hard-earned profit, US PATENT LAWS DO NEED REFORM.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 09:21 1

28. sissy246 (Posts: 704; Member since: 04 Mar 2015)


Doesn't matter it wasn't apples patent and they stoled it.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 11:18

31. tedkord (Posts: 10675; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


VirnetX is not simply a patent troll. It is comprised of the actual inventors of the patented technology. And, they do sell some physical products.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 18:14

36. jroc74 (Posts: 5996; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


You're right, because you have companies suing for rounded corners.

Thats....the....point....of....everybody.....givin​g....Apple.....the....blues.

Are they actual patent trolls? Maybe. But Karma, how does it work?

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 11:09

30. Zylam (Posts: 667; Member since: 20 Oct 2010)


The lawyers win yet again. Also it's amazing to see how many fandroids are affected by Apple and Samsungs court battles, did they sue you personally? Apple lost, they have to pay the money not anyone here.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 11:23 3

32. tedkord (Posts: 10675; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


No, Aple did not sue me. However, their ridiculous lawsuits drove up the prices of the things that I wanted to buy, and stifled the innovation of the people I wanted to buy them from. In effect, because of Apple my devices were more expensive and had less advanced tech than it could have.

So, yes, it's enjoyable to see Apple get back what it gave.

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 13:36 1

34. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2366; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


Precisely. It's funny how ignoramus and shortsighted some can be...

posted on 04 Feb 2016, 16:33 1

35. willard12 (Posts: 1560; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


You clearly graduated at the top of your elementary school class. However, when you make it to junior high, you may learn how the costs of litigation are passed on to the consumer.

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