Apple iPhone 5s twice as popular as iPhone 5c
CIRP’s analysis focused on iPhone sales in September 2013, the first month when iPhones were available, and compares those numbers to October 2012, and there are a few interesting conclusions.
First, the iPhone 5s is the driving force of iPhone sales accounting for an overwhelming 64% of all sales. Interestingly, the much hyped iPhone 5c, a plastic device coming in a range of colors, is selling just a bit better than last year’s $99 iPhone. The iPhone 5c accounts for 27% of all iPhone sales in September. Lastly, the iPhone 4s, currently sold for free when signing a two-year contract, captures a 9% share. That’s exactly as much as last year’s free on contract iPhone 4 got.
“The relative performance of all three iPhones is generally in line with the performance of the similarly priced phones following the launch of the iPhone 5 in 2012,” CIRP co-founder Josh Lowitz said. “Over time, the lower-priced phones have tended to gain share versus the flagship phone, after the initial rush of dedicated upgraders to the newest device. So we expect that the 5c will account for a higher percent of total U.S. iPhone sales in the coming months, but the design changes may alter that dynamic. The iPhone 5c may appeal to different buyers than the legacy 4S did last year, or the new 5s will this year.”
Overall, nothing unexpected, but surprises are possible this year given how different the iPhone 5c is. Will they happen? Only time will tell.
1. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3351; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
5c is much worse and just a little cheaper so who would be such an idiot to buy one?
4. Kurai (unregistered)
5. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
They're not buying it, hence the entire point of the article. If you're going to attempt to troll Apple, at least make sense.
20. Tommy1960i (Posts: 103; Member since: 11 Oct 2013)
No. It is almost the same price that's why. Apple can't make cheap phones.
44. DaHarder (Posts: 174; Member since: 10 Oct 2009)
Oh Apple can certainly make 'cheap' phones, they just refuse to make inexpensive ones.
6. SonyXperiaNexus (Posts: 374; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)
coz most people dont look at specs. they look at the brand and performance and price. to the average joe the 5c appears to perform exactly the same as the 5s with less price and more colour options.
If it wasnt for the fingerprint scanner, the 5c would sell more than 5s. the ifans i know personally use it for every argument as a trump card against android phones, however practically useless it might be. one of them said and i quote "is any company more technologically advanced than apple and have a fingerprint scanner?" my reply:"b!tch plz, moto atrix, although it doesnt change the fact that its not worth that much money" and then i take the argument to OS features rather than hardware. Easy win
8. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
No - not at all. The fingerprint scanner is cool but isn't the reason people prefer the 5S. Users prefer the 5S because it feels and looks like a sexier, more stylish product. Apple fans don't want plastic on Apple. They go to Apple because of the quality (notice I didn't say performance, so don't even try) that comes with it.
9. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Put 5S price on 5C and 5C price on 5S and Apple fans will be buying 5C not 5S. ;)
19. HansGoneInsane (Posts: 401; Member since: 09 Aug 2013)
You don't understand much PAU. Apple did exactly right with the pricing because people buy the more expensive 5s two times more than the cheaper 5c. Obviously, the pricing of the 5c was designed to not affect the 5S sales. The strategy worked out!
23. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
You didn't understood point of my comment!
"Apple did exactly right with the pricing because people buy the more expensive 5s two times more than the cheaper 5c."
Nonsense! Do you realize that the same effect Apple could achieve and without 5C ?
People don't want 5C because it is marked as "cheap" so the buy 5S. But people would be buying 5S even if 5C didn't exist becaus then ther would be only one choice 5S.
24. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
You didn't understood point of my comment!
My point was that such trend followers always buys more expensive product and it doesn't matter even if it is worse than other cheaper products because according to their logics more expensive is always better even if it is not true becaue with more expensive [product is easier to show off.
57. HansGoneInsane (Posts: 401; Member since: 09 Aug 2013)
So, how come that the iPod Nano has become the most popular iPod? The original iPod (now iPod touch) offers much more functionality and is way more expansive than the iPod Nano. Your argumentation can't explain that effect. If you were right, the iPod Touch would be the most popular iPod....but that is not the case.....so you are wrong.
66. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I don't know about iPod, I talk about iPhone.
12. SonyXperiaNexus (Posts: 374; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)
well, the fans that ive asked NEVER mention the build materials. They just prefer the aesthetics of iOS over android and are still in the delusion that iOS has more apps. almost all of them have bad experiences with android, which i find out is always due to them being average midrange phones, almost always by samsung (oh the irony) that have horrible touch response. Fingerprint scanner IS the main reason why the upgrade to the new iphone, otherwise they would buy the i5 than 5c if it were build materials.
17. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
You may not realize it, but you just explained why people love Apple. "almost all of them have bad experiences with android, which i find out is always due to them being average midrange phones". This is NEVER an issue with Apple. When you buy a Mac, iPad or iPhone, you're buying guaranteed top notch quality. There are no high-end, low-end choices (well the 5c, which is why it's failing), so you know what you're getting every time! People hear how amazing Android is, buy a mid-range phone, and it's rubbish. People don't buy the 5S because of a feature like the finger print scanner - if they really cared about features they'd already be on Android. They love Apple becuase no matter what Apple product you purchase, it works flawlessly.
16. joey_sfb (Posts: 3301; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
you forget the iPhone 5s has a more powerful processor. I would have bought the iPhone 5s over 5c.
27. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"you forget the iPhone 5s has a more powerful processor."
Only on paper.
67. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
From tech reviews iPhone 5S performance is +/- the same as iPhone 5 performance.
64. vincelongman (Posts: 1718; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Actually, Snapdragon 800 (e.g. Note 3, Z1, Z Ultra,...) beat the iPhone 5S in CPU benchmarks, such as Geekbench and Linpack.
The iPhone 5S only beat the Snapdragon 800 on browser benchmarks, such as Sunspider and Browsermark.
68. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I know, we were talking about iPhone 5S, 5C, 5.
13. Finalflash (Posts: 1913; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
It isn't just the shafting tactic that's causing this, it is also because most people try to get their favorite phone at release. And for most of the high end buyers, they try to align it with release every year. The low end buyers come in the following weeks and months and quarters as shown by previous years where the iPhone 5 was outsold by the low end immediately following the release quarter. So if the 5s can hold itself through the next quarter, then Apple will have learned that shafting tactics work and will likely reinforce it. If it doesn't then hopefully they go back to adding value like everyone else.
40. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5958; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
The Apple 'partners' had no say in the quantity of 5Cheap units they were sold by Apple. Look for future orders to tank. The 5Cheap is just not a compelling value proposition. Maybe once the supply of iP5 units is exhausted, the 5Cheap becomes viable. But not until then.
54. 9thWonderful (Posts: 232; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
iP5 has been exhausted for at least a couple weeks now...thru Verizon anyway.
60. ardent1 (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
The 5C has better specs than the iPhone 5, a simple fact lost on people like D_x_D.
With iPhone 5, you have a better design, materials, etc than the 5C, but Apple made enough changes such that for the SAME PRICE, people will be tempted to choose the improved features over last year's handset.
One more thing lost on people like D_x_D, you get the iWork suite for free -- that's right, free productivity apps with the 5C.
77. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5958; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I haven't seen where the 5Cheap has superior specs than the 5. If iWork is important to you, then feel free to buy the 5Cheap. But somehow, I suspect that owners of iP5 phones can get iWork on their phones, if iWork is really important to them. iWork is not obsoleting all of the iP5 phones out there.
Please post what about the 5Cheap spec is superior to the iP5. The world waits with baited breath. BTW, a plastic case is NOT a superior spec.
63. ardent1 (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
If you believed Sniggly, and he has the photos to prove it, this article has got to be fake. There's no way people are buying millions of 5C. lol
/Apple-iPhone-5c-production-cut-in-half_id48211(see Sniggly's post #58)
On a serious note, people are buying the 5C and sales are massive thus exposing Googler as a fraud on this site. Just check out Googler's post #19 and #43 on earlier thread.
Someone is eating crow and it ain't me.
72. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Congrats to you, you have officially won the internet.
On a personal note, good luck in life. I've come to realize that with you, the only thing that matters is getting the victory. Conversations become conflicts, conflicts must become conquests. You can never admit when you're wrong and you always have to win, no matter what extreme it takes to achieve. Me, I can admit I was wrong and don't need to win every discussion because I see them for what they are, discussions. So with that, I bid you adieu. Life is too short to waste time on people who will never change because they have the whole world figured out and have all the answers.
I'm sure you'll view this as a victory, that's fine. Please feel free to cash in your +1 internet at whatever store you frequent.
2. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8925; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Well this was a given from the start. iPhone 5C should have never been introduced. The iPhone 5 is 10x more solid than that cheap, glossy plastic.
7. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
The idea of an affordable smart phone is on point. The problem is the 5C isn't affordable (and hideous). Cheap products aren't Apple's game. They should have, and should moving forward, stick to high quality, fashionable products their massive fanbase desires.
41. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5958; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
The only reason the 5Cheap was introduced is because of the cost to manufacture it.
42. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5958; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
*Edit: ...manufacture it compared to the iP5(non-S edition).
PA, you really need to remove the 240 second edit limit. What is the benefit from keeping it?
61. ardent1 (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
D_x_D, that is your opinion. Apple's official story was that the 5 was not easy to scale as was the case with the 4S, 4, etc.
If you ask me, the 5C is Apple's new way to leverage a new market. For example, look to 2014 when Apple tries to introduce the iPhone 6 -- the 5S will drop to its position, and now you have the 5C being offered at rock bottom prices.
It will be a homerun for Apple to get a 5C for free or $49 in 2014. To get to those prices Apple needs a huge production run meaning it gets to produce the 5C for at least 2 years, thus further lowering their long term average cost curve via economies of scale and scope.
Therefore, it's clear to me you really don't understand the concept "cost to manufacture it." The parts cost is what you are hinting at because of the plastic shell, but the lowering of the long run cost curve is the biggie. That is one serious mf*ker competitive edge that Apple has over android OEMs.
For example, the processors are recycled or have long production runs, the 4" screen is being spread out over hundreds of millions of units, etc., etc. Android OEM cannot make this level of economies of scale and scope.
3. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
As I have said before, in my opinion majority of Apple product users are just trend followers, they don't want to buy "cheap" iPhones since according to such people cheap is not cool and it is not good device if you want just to show off.
25. good2great (Posts: 1040; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
uh no, after all the intellegent guesses in this forum you decide to go this route? lol
The same can be said for Galaxy products then... hmmmm?
29. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"The same can be said for Galaxy products then... hmmmm?"
1. Android based smartphones (including Galaxy series products) are cheaper than iPhone.
2. People buys Android based smartphones not because they want look cool or trendy, but because of practical possibilities that Android based smartphones can give you. While majority of iPhone users buys iPhone just to show off.
34. good2great (Posts: 1040; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
you have to admit that samsung devices are pretty trendy and hip now. you see just as many galaxy phone as you do iphones nowadays.
39. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Samsung devices are populart because of practical thngs and people buys them because of practical thngs not because they are popular. While Apple products are popular just because brand name trend. And it is two totally different things.
50. good2great (Posts: 1040; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
thats your opinion PAU...
the fact of both of our statements is that both phones are popular... so people buy them because they are popular.
we both know half of the people who buy the galaxy phones use those gimmicky features... same with iphone... most people probably wont turn on the fingerprint scanner.
samsung is a popular brand same as apple.
55. 9thWonderful (Posts: 232; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
samsung is 70% gimmick features & 30% practical uses. in the world of popular/trendy phones it's well known that Samsung & Apple are top two in this category. you're in complete denial trying to justify Samsung as a non-trendy phone.
ppl buy iPhones for 1 of 2 reasons...either a: b/c they have had too many bad exp. w/Android that they are sick of the OS (which is what i see more of) & b: most ppl can grasp the UI.
69. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
No, it is you in denial! It is doesn't matter it is Samsung phone or not, if it is Android based device then it has much more practical use than iPhone.
100 Things iPhone 5S - 5C Can't do Android Phones Can:
73. good2great (Posts: 1040; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
dude why are you posting that video?
The study of what's practical vs why people buy are two different things.
how can you sit there and say iphone and samsung are popular but people only buy samsung because its practical features?
That's dumb... its so easy to accept the fact that people are blind on both sides of the fence.
75. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"how can you sit there and say iphone and samsung are popular but people only buy samsung because its practical features?"
Because practical features made Android based devices popular.
74. 9thWonderful (Posts: 232; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
lol...this guy. ignorance (denial) is bliss i guess.
10. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Apple was trying to "redfine" the term "affordable" with 5C and failed miserably.
14. Sauce (unregistered)
$50.00 on a 2 year contract is really affordable compared to $200.00 for the 5s. The fact of the matter is, that there are two options, and one of them happens to be an iPhone that is cheaper than its posterboy model.
30. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Remember that you are talking only about U.S. market. In the rest of the word it doesn't work in such way.
32. Sauce (unregistered)
"The Apple iPhone 5s is outselling the colorful and plastic iPhone 5c at a ratio of two to one, proving to be the main driver of iPhone sales in the United States...."
36. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Apple was trying to "redfine" the term "affordable" with 5C and failed miserably."
Sauce's reply to rusticguy:
"$50.00 on a 2 year contract is really affordable compared to $200.00 for the 5s."
PhoneArenaUser's reply to Sauce:
"Remember that you are talking only about U.S. market. In the rest of the word it doesn't work in such way."
I hope that now you fell sequence.
62. ardent1 (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
PhoneArenaUser, Apple sold about 9 million units of 5S and 5C around the WORLD on launch weekend.
What was your point again?
70. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
What your comment has to do with my comment??? Do you even realize that we were talking about prices not about how many devices Apple sold???
21. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
I think I may give in and upgrade my 4S when I come back to the US in December. If I can trade in the 4S and not pay a dime for the 5S (16 GB) then why not?!
22. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8925; Member since: 14 May 2012)
You can sell your iPhone 4S on CL for $250 and have $50 extra in your pocket. :)
43. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5958; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
And the 5Cheap is popular only for Timmy. If you had to choose between the 5 and the 5Cheap, would you buy the Cheap?
18. TechDork (Posts: 244; Member since: 10 May 2010)
When I start my Spring semester & get my refund check from school, I may get the i5S......simply because I'll have the money to do so