Adobe caves and adds HTML5 support to its Flash Media Server
Earlier, Adobe shook things up by putting out a press release that said that it was offering a "new version of Adobe Flash Media Server that can now deliver Flash technology to Apple iPhone and iPad devices," when in reality, it is simply allowing its server to handle standards-based HTML5 video as well as Flash video.
A couple of years ago, during a period when Steve Jobs had been criticizing Flash for crashing Apple products, he said the software was buggy and had issues with security, reliability and performance. At the end of a message he wrote in April 2010 called "Thoughts on Flash", Jobs suggested that "perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind," which is exactly what Adobe is doing with today's announcement.
Adobe's new server will help those developers who use Flash grab a new audience of iOS users and also eliminates the need for a Flash plug-in on any platform. Websites built with Flash still will not be accessible to iOS users.
source: Adobe via AppleInsider
4. dmakun (Posts: 222; Member since: 06 Jun 2011)
you must have missed the last sentence. pls finish reading the article next time
9. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@dmakun. And you must be missing the point.
Again, see how android fanboys divert the argument straying away from Apple's stand on not supporting adobe flash and moving forward in adopting html5?
Android fanboys will never admit defeat even when proven wrong already.
16. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its not an "apple" victory.
only idiot fanboys think thats the case
the world is slowly moving to HTML5. If Apple used flash, they would still be integrating HTML5 because eventually its going to be the standard. That has been in the works for much longer than the apple-adobe fight. Last I checked, there was no iphone in 2004, there was no apple-adobe fight, there was none of this nonsense. It has nothing to do with steve jobs at all. Get over yourselves.
Its hard to be proven wrong when were constantly right.
29. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@remix. But who pushed for html5 aggressively? Isn't it Apple? And who tried so hard to resist it and keep flash alive to slow down html5? Isn't it adobe and android fanboys? How could you forget so easily? If not for Apple, html5 won't move forward this soon, and you'd be stuck with the unstable and power hungry flash.
37. ilia1986 (unregistered)
And who has had access to flash videos and content up until now - exclusively? Android you ignorant troll. It's not any sort of victory for Apple. It's a continuation of a victory for Android - because Android got to enjoy flash content ever since Froyo, while iOS as of now - is still stuck without flash.
All we know is that Adobe has decided to move on HTML 5. NOT BECAUSE APPLE TOLD THEM TO, you ignorant idiot, but because it's a business decision. Plain and simple.
41. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yea, cuz we all know without the allmighty steve jobs bitching at adobe, they would have just stayed with flash and let HTML5 pass them by. They are obviously too stupid to keep up with internet trends, especially ones they help start.
HTML5 isnt projected to be the "standard" until around 2020. you still have quite a few years before your iphone will be able to see the entire internet.. lol
50. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
And this is why ppl get irked with iFans they think Apple is the reason for everything...
Apple wasnt the only ones to push html5 aggressively. They way you make it, no on else was trying to push for it.
Yea thats Google...ya know the guys behind Android.... If that not aggressively push for it, I dont know what is.
I know MS is pushing for it heavy too.
75. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)
android fanboy has nothing to do with it. I have an iphone and a ipad 2. I love them I also have a droid x and love it. It just is frustrating when i try to go to a website and i cant see it. I can care less about adobe or whoever. I just want a full internet expierence and i want it to work good.
14. pongkie (Posts: 505; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
yup and its first victory is when you overpaid for their products
21. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Very true between the ban and this it's been a great day for Apple. And this is without an iPhone 5 out. Once it launches I expect some fandroid suicides.
22. pongkie (Posts: 505; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
even with apple flash ban fandroids wont commit suicide because they don't have an apple product in the first place they have android. And its a win for them because fandroids will enjoy flash and html 5 at the same time
25. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I was talking about the samsung ban.
81. CactusCat (unregistered)
You seem to be missing some information:
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23. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
Exactly. Flash is a pointless concept anyway. It's just another excuse for Andrones to sit on their phones and look at video porn.
77. WM6.5Sucks (Posts: 42; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
The same way you do on your computer.... its usually Flash.
47. dmakun (Posts: 222; Member since: 06 Jun 2011)
This would have been a victory for apple & isheeps if it read "IOS now capable of playing html5 + flash" but on the contrary it is a victory for Android which is now capable of both.
Why do I-diots always feel happy to give Jobs their hard earned cash for a device that offers so little?
65. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
How is it a vicroty for apple? are you stupid? this doesnt help apple at all. it just adds more capabilities to flash. does not mean that HTML5 now has flash. at all.
3. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Now let's watch the android fanboys make something up that it was google's idea from the get go.
I recall clearly that android fanboys saying over and over again that Steve was just bitter with Adobe and that's the reason why he is not supporting flash on iDevices and that it has nothing to do with moving forward with html5. Now let's watch android fanboys pretend that they never said anything like that, lol.
Also, I recall clearly all the thumb downs I got from android fanboys when I posted a comment that Flash is a dying platform, and that by 2012, it will be near obscurity. Hahahahahaha.
6. Heatfan316 (Posts: 453; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
Your precious iphone can barely handle html5, that piece of crap blown away by android and windows phone 7 in all the tests I've seen, you fanboys are bunch of retards
8. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@heatfan. This is not about html5 tests. See how you try to take the argument somewhere else? Just to divert from the fact that Apple's point about flash is correct. So now you are trying to divert it to html5 tests, hahahahaha.
Let me bring you back to the topic heatfan. This is not about html5 benchmark tests. This is about Steve's stand on adobe flash on mobile devices. Do you understand? Lol
17. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no.. no its not. the only reason the iphone was brought into the article is because this is a CELL PHONE SITE. They were making it relevant to their user base. HTML5 adoption has NOTHING to do with apple-adobe fighting. Its has been worked on since 2004 and it isnt projected to have total adoption until after 2020.
Good lord your stupid.
20. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
This is a win for evryone in the end. With apple not using flash on mobile devices they have definitely sped up the adoption of html5. Even before this about 80% of the Internet videos were available in html5 and now pretty much 100% will be.
To gemini's point the article is titled "adobe caves in"
Also to his point fanboys constantly bashed the iPhone for not having flash and saying it's behind the curve. That's now a moot point. So it is a win for Apple in the sense that there's no limitations on Internet videos for their devices anymore.
48. dmakun (Posts: 222; Member since: 06 Jun 2011)
Pls add at the end of your sentences "you wish", so we all can decipher what you hope for from what is. The last sentence in the article states otherwise.
58. AKm007 (Posts: 108; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)
You know that what you said is utterly stupid, right? The fact that you think that using HTML5 instead of flash is good makes no sense. HTML5 is only going to be fully utilized by 2015 to 2020. By then, the iphone 7 or 8 will be out. Right now, flash is the biggest thing, and apple is missing the train. Utilizing it whether its buggy or not would give it an upperhand. With android having 10.3 support, nokia having flash lite and WP7 getting silverlight in the near future, Apple is going to fall back. I think there's no point in putting something thats highly advanced but will take quite some time to actually be utilized. It plain stupid.
30. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@remix. What fighting? Android fanboys are the ones pushing the fighting issue. Apple never said anything about fighting. And now that Steve is right about flash's instability and inefficiency, you android fanboys pretend as if Apple never pushed for html5, hahaha. Also, no one is saying that Apple invented html5, although they have contributed to its development, and have been pushing for it, while you android fanboys resisted, lol. How easy of you to forget, hahahaha. Amnesia?
18. Heatfan316 (Posts: 453; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
It still has something to do with it gemini since Steve is so big on html5 and now adobe allowing it's server to handle html5 video shouldn't your device, in this case the iphone be able to render it properly I mean what good is it if the video is choppy
31. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@heatfan. Again, this is not about any devices' html5 performance. This is about who pushed for html5's development. And it is Apple. Not google, and most especially not android fanboys. If Apple gave in to adobe and supported flash, html5's development and adoption would not be realized this sooner. It would've even been sooner, if google and android fanboys supported Apple's stand, but because of android's total support to flash, html5 progress and adoption slowed down. And now, look at you android fanboys disregarding Apple's stand and total support to html5. Losers :)
42. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
apple didnt push crap.
you guys act like flash just died. the exact opposite happened. flash is still alive and well and will be the main media force for a few years to come. This is just the inevitable step twards the future that adobe was going to take with or without some stupid ego mainiac pushing them. 2020 is a LONG way off.
53. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple hasn't pushed html5? Out of touch with reality as usual. No one said flash is dead.
59. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
". So it is a win for Apple in the sense that there's no limitations on Internet videos for their devices anymore." -taco
ahem, stupid... in order for there to be no limitations on an iDevice from this point forward, there would either have to be the addition of flash on iphone, or a mass adoption of HTML5 at the same moment that Flash dies.
So either, flash is dead and u can see everything...
or your an idiot.
i choose the latter.. lol
63. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So do you understand what this article says. You can now play the same video in flash or HTML5 with adobe's new software. So flash videos will play on the iPhone as well.
That means flash doesn't have to die because it can now be played on the iPhone as well with no plug in. It's becoming clear now that you don't comprehend the article.
68. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no, you frikkin iDiot iTroll, thats not what it says..
here let me quote something for you..
from this article..
"Earlier, Adobe shook things up by putting out a press release that said that it was offering a "new version of Adobe Flash Media Server"
THAT IS NOT FLASH. Its a DIFFERENT PRODUCT.
"Websites built with Flash still will not be accessible to iOS users."
LOOK YOU IDIOT, the article says it in the very last line. Websites would have to switch from flash to flash server for it to workon iOS. Millions and Millions of websites. Thats not going to happen over night.. or within the next few years.
Before you go off trying to pretend you somehow know what your talking about.. take the time to READ and COMPREHEND the article first. You might not come off as so darn dumb that way.
73. fanboy_duh (unregistered)
Hmmm...i speak for HP web os.
ADOBE you should start to push forward with html5.
See now its about HP's stand on adobe.
Also Palm created the iphone platform...
Nokia is actually google and apples parents company...its fun making stuff up.
5. oldfash33 (Posts: 7; Member since: 15 Jun 2010)
Nice call 530gemini. That ones gonna hurt boys!! But lets be honest,jobs was right in his assessment
7. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@oldfash. It's because android fanboys are blind fanatics. No matter if Apple made a good point, or when Apple is OBVIOUSLY right, android fanboys will contradict Apple no matter what. Let me give you some more examples.
Before Samsung, Nokia, Htc, Sony, etc jumped into touchscreens. What did anti Apple folks say about touchscreen? It's a passing trend. It's all hype. Nothing beats actual buttons. But what happened when everyone went into touchscreen? They forgot that they used to mock Apple for it.
Before everyone adopted capacitive screen and they were using resistive touchscreens with styluses. What were anti Apple users say about capacitive touch? It's poor technology. Can't use it with gloves. Screen gets dirty. It's not precise, etc. But what happened when the others adopted android and switched to capacitive? They all forgot all the bad things they said about the iphone's capacitive screen.
And now, same thing with flash. Yet, those Apple haters never learn. Why? Because they're closeminded, blind fanatics.
Oh, I forgot to mention that they also made fun of the iphone's size saying that it's too big. But what do they say now that a lot of phones are in the 4" size? They again forgot how they made fun of the iphone saying that it's too big, lol. And they say that we're wrong in calling them unreasonable and bitter? Huh.
12. Heatfan316 (Posts: 453; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
Gemini the iphone wasn't the first capacitive touchscreen device the LG prada was. Man you fanboys believe your lies. I've got to say WOW this was biggest bulls**t post PA in History
32. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@heatfan. Implied? If I know for a fact that Apple invented something, I don't need to imply, I would say it with no hesitation. Apple did not invent capacitive touch technology, but they chose capacitive over resistive at a time when resistive touch was the widely used touch technology. So there.
34. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
i have always implied that most Androids are idiots but never get message.. so sometimes we have to say it.. Androids are idiots...see the difference..
43. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
considering you 3 bungling moron stooges are all WRONG on this thread about "apple winning" something, if android fans are idiots, there isnt even a word for how stupid you guys are.
78. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 804; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
@gallitoking wow! IF Androids are idiots then what does that make you?
35. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
And also heatfan. Remember how everyone was mocking Apple before they released the 1st ipad? Competitors, critics, and android fanboys said that it would be an epic failure. What happened after the first ipad was released? Hahahaha. Everyone tried to follow suit, but they're the ones who were epic failures. With the exemption maybe of the galaxy tab. And what do android fanboys say? "Apple didn't invent the tablet", "Apple is not the first one to release a tablet", hahahahaha. Yes, those are true, but Apple was the one who dared to push tablet to the next level. Not Samsung, not google.
49. dmakun (Posts: 222; Member since: 06 Jun 2011)
Typical of isheeps! Apple & Steve Jobs invented everything! Lol! I wish 350Gemini, could prove all these claims about what "Android fans" said when Jobs invented air.
10. exo2u (unregistered)
Along with a million other people who knew that adobe would eventually add support for html5, what a joke...
Seriously people, talk about leaving the past behind, apples having a good run but ill bet you'll continue to see apple losing shares to android and windows. consumers are slowly learning from there mistakes.
11. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
See. Another perfect example of an android fanboy mentality. Lol. Now they're saying that they knew and supported this all along just like Steve did. Forgetting how they embraced flash support on their android devices saying that flash is here to stay forever and how they mocked Steve and idevice users, hahahahaha.
What's wrong with saying, "Ok Steve, you were right, now let's move on.". Lol. What a bunch of losers :)
13. exo2u (unregistered)
who said supported? obviously your the fanboy... seriously stop being so biased. both Os's would suck without the other one stop flaming for no reason, and just grow up.
So defensive and i wonder why, just like a little kid.
I have two mac books and a iphone. wouldn't say im a fan of one or the other, im a fan of technology. I think everyone knows your a biased kid with rich parents most likely so keep on spouting flaming pointless bs, i got to run have fun
33. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@exo. I am not biased. Just stating some facts on android fanboys' blind fanaticism. You won't see me trolling around android articles pulling it down or attacking android users like android fanboys do to Apple and Apple users in Apple related articles.
45. Heatfan316 (Posts: 453; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
That's right Gemini you do it the smart way you know android fans are going to read this article and your posts, but in your posts your always calling out android fans, baiting them so they react to statement you don't need to go to android related articles you bash them right here and then your going to say I'm defending apple and stating some facts which is true to a point but it's all part of your trolling game which I got sucker into. Your going to say I bash apple, I do, I feel apple fans are pompous and it's obvious in your statements. We both need to be more open minded everybody has an opinion we have to respect that, when we don't that's how all this trolling gets started
60. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you are one of the most biased people on this site. you have your apple colored glasses on at all times and say some of the most dishonest and lunatic style comments.
Your not as bad as taco, miz, and gallito, but your not that much better than them either.
24. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
Good god look at this, Android fans trolling an Apple article. And the hypocrisy continues. Stay tuned next week folks as then they will move on to the level of Contradictions.
38. Whateverman (Posts: 3231; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I thought this article was about Adobe? Yep, it's about Adobe according to the title.
44. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no no no whateverman,
its never about anything but apple.. dont you get it! steve jobs controls the world!
these morons really think apple had some major role in this. durka durka.. wow.
52. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Well if you read past the title the article talks about Steve Jobs and Apple. It's also titled "Adobe Caves" so it insinuates a loss.
To understand you'd have to take off your fanboy goggles for a while.
54. Whateverman (Posts: 3231; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Adobe caves and writes software that hundreds of MILLIONS of additional users will be using. Let's see, more people using their products...nope, still sounds like Adobe is the clear winner here.