TSMC's 10nm test next month crucial for Apple A10 orders?

TSMC's 10nm test next month crucial for Apple A10 orders?
We've heard numerous stories about who will be producing the lion's share of A9 chips that will be employed on the next iteration of the Apple iPhone. But moving beyond this year's chip production, there is speculation that TSMC will be running a pilot line using the 10nm process in 12 factories in Hsinchu next month. At stake is millions of dollars in business from Apple for the 2016 version of the Apple iPhone.

According to this rumor, TSMC will be signing up companies for its 10nm process chips by the end of this year. Last month, TSMC said that it would start production of 10nm chips in 2016 with an eye toward 7nm production in 2017. But if next month's test is successful, and TSMC has its factories set up in time, the company could end up with 100% of the A10 chip production.

Take this with a grain of salt. Not only do reports of which company is responsible for Ax production traditionally alternate on a monthly basis, we are now talking about chips not expected to be deployed until next year. TSMC apparently does need a successful test to grab purchase orders from Apple, and we could know in a matter of weeks if yields and performance are up to Apple's standards.


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source: UDN (1, translated), (2, translated) via GforGames

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28 Comments

1. Galaxy_Apple

Posts: 129; Member since: May 24, 2015

LOl! plain unicorn tech 10 nm this is beyond rumors just stupid to even talk about it. anyone who believes this is in for major dissapointment

3. Ordinary

Posts: 2454; Member since: Apr 23, 2015

6. Galaxy_Apple

Posts: 129; Member since: May 24, 2015

exactly even samsung will take till 2016 how exactly will TSMC manage this Skip 16 nm or 14 nm. I still think Intel will be there first with canon lake but sammy seems to be in hurry. TSMC first need to make 16 nm materialize and give me my nvidia gpu in 16nm.

10. Ordinary

Posts: 2454; Member since: Apr 23, 2015

Here is the table of how it all wenthttp://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/TSMC-Intel-Samsung.png I believe they went straight to prototype 10nm rather than stay on 16nm

25. vincelongman

Posts: 5655; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Of course TSMC are prototyping for 10nm now They are also prototyping for 7nm as well as, same as Intel and Samsung TSMC are stilling producing 16nm for now since 10nm isn't ready TSMC won't have 10nm until late 2016 or 2017 (probably 2017) TSMC had 16nm ready for risk production last year November, but that's also when they just started producing 20nm, 16nm wasn't ready The same will happen with 10nm If TSMC have 10nm ready for risk production later this year, we won't products until at least 2016, if not 2017 http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/16nm.htmhttp://www.tsmc.com/tsmcdotcom/PRListingNewsAction.do?action=detail&newsid=9001&language=Ehttp://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/future_rd.htm

17. medicci37

Posts: 1361; Member since: Nov 19, 2011

Idk why Nvidia doesn't launch the x1 using 14 or 16 nm

20. Ordinary

Posts: 2454; Member since: Apr 23, 2015

I think they only care about GPU much which keeps them at the top in that department

26. ph00ny

Posts: 2014; Member since: May 26, 2011

Not to mention TSMC's history of constant yield issues

2. Iodine

Posts: 1474; Member since: Jun 19, 2014

With the 10nm A10 superchip, the performance will be on brain busting levels for sure. But what's more important it will also enable big power savings to help make the iPhone 7 drastically thinner than ever before ! It will be amazing !!!

5. AppleCultist

Posts: 335; Member since: Feb 18, 2015

Indeed. I expect the 10nm A10 to be slightly less powerful than the Exynos 7420.

7. Iodine

Posts: 1474; Member since: Jun 19, 2014

Can I ask why ? A8X is more powerfull than 7420 and that at higher efficiency and lower power. A8 is a bit slower, but at far lower power, running out of a 6,91Wh battery. If Apple will go with FinFet and improved custom architecture this year, there will be no competition, not even A8X, because past releases imply that A9 should be just as fast as A8X. And oh... A10 will be probably faster than A9....

8. AppleCultist

Posts: 335; Member since: Feb 18, 2015

The A8 scores a 2,600 on geekbench while the 7420 scores a 5,000+. They aren't even close. A9 will score in the 3,500-range.

9. Galaxy_Apple

Posts: 129; Member since: May 24, 2015

Actually a8x scores 4500 and Apple still leads in single core at 1800 , which actually matters more in most cases and 63000 in Antutu for A8x without fast UFS flash is pretty impressive but your forgetting about Apple optimizations like metal, and better 64 bit support from developers either way you've already been caught posting biased stuff about apple before , why waste time. Samsung is the only company thats beating Apple right now , So it's still impressive what the a8x can do. I'm Waiting for tab S2 with faster exynos though and hopefully UFS flash.

13. Macready

Posts: 1813; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Perpetual myth that single core matters more was busted 4 years ago when my S2 used both cores most of the time, unless static. Even before the software asks for another core, the Linux kernel was already designed to divide tasks. Fact is, the 7420 CPU is faster than the A8X which is almost 70% larger in size and much more power hungry (not to mention the heating, even in a giant iPad). Only the A8X GPU is roughly 20% faster.

18. Iodine

Posts: 1474; Member since: Jun 19, 2014

If single core performance is not that important why is Apple leading in performance ? Because considering physics, going with fewer, ultra advenced supercores with lower clcks is better than going with eight smalle high clocked cores. I need a citation about A8X "heating" and power compustion as it screams as an efficient chip. The CPU is faster in geekbench and the GPU is up to 65% faster. (Really even nvidia can't compete). The GPU throtless minumally and the CPU got the best sustained perf too. The TDP of A8X is about 4,5 W. That can be put into a phone, but unlike android OEM's Apple has much more stringent TDP targets. Because samsung put a 5433 in note 4 which GPU can draw 5,85 W for a bit over half the performance of A8X, then throttling heavilly. Galaxy S6 isn't much better. Actually a ordinary phone chip can draw more power than an iPad chip, that's a testament of Apple's efficiency.

22. Macready

Posts: 1813; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Apple software focuses more on single core, unlike Android. And the A8 does not lead, it's slower in 90% of the benchmarks. Even in practice running 2 laps op loading, closing and reloading several apps, menus and pages, some Android phones loading almost 4 times as many pixels, are faster. That's where CPU the muscles show.

15. Napalm_3nema

Posts: 2236; Member since: Jun 14, 2013

Clock for clock, not much is close to the A8. Throw in the fact that it is still on slower LPDDR3 memory and a 20nm process, compared to LPDDR4 and 14nm process, and it is more impressive, still. The only chip that is close, design-wise, is the Denver K1 (7-way superscalar compared to the 6-way A8), and both of them are actually custom silicon, unlike the SD810 and 7420.

16. Macready

Posts: 1813; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Not that impressive when you realize that the 5433 was already a tad faster with LPDDR3 and at 20nm too.

24. vincelongman

Posts: 5655; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Apple is probably going to kill of Metal now Apple along with many other companies have made a new low level API called Vulkan Now Google (and probably Apple) are going to use Vulkan instead of OpenGL ES 3.1 (or Metal)

14. Macready

Posts: 1813; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Baloney. The S6 lasts longer on a smaller battery than the 6 Plus with both screens drawing similar amounts of power at 200 nits mixed content. The A8X on the other hand has a much higher TDP than both.

19. Iodine

Posts: 1474; Member since: Jun 19, 2014

Where the galaxy S6 lasts longer than 6 Plus ? That's rather hypocritical as the iPhone 6 Plus battery seems to last forever to me... Thene show me how you came up with a "much higher TdP for A8X"

21. Macready

Posts: 1813; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

This isn't your anecdotal "forever" nonsense, but actual measured test results running the same content. The TDP's are specified and the A8X has a TDP in tablet territory (about 50% higher than the A8, close the K1). There's a reason you don't see those in smartphones. Well 3 actually: TDP, heat and size.

23. Ordinary

Posts: 2454; Member since: Apr 23, 2015

Battery tests says different, I can also turn on airplane mode on S2 and make it last longer than S6

27. iushnt

Posts: 3083; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

S6 does lasts longer than 6 plus. Both r good though but I guess Sammy did better optimization for power efficiency this time..

28. iushnt

Posts: 3083; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

S6 does lasts longer than 6 plus. Both r good though but I guess Sammy did better optimization for power efficiency this time..

4. hound.master

Posts: 1044; Member since: Feb 27, 2015

Come on we don't need production of these s**ts WE WANT MASS PRODUCTION. 14/16nm is not even maded to most of chipsets few use them.

11. TheGunnyPT

Posts: 252; Member since: Feb 12, 2015

Lol what 10nm? Just get the 14nm first as mainstream and then we can talk about 12/10nm...

12. vuyonc

Posts: 1089; Member since: Feb 24, 2014

TSMC's first generation 16nm FinFET process has only barely reached mature yields and people are talking about 10nm before 2017. Really?!

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