LG Innotek to supply brand-new facial recognition front camera modules for the next iPhone

LG Innotek to supply brand-new facial recognition front camera modules for the next iPhone
Korean media reports LG Innotek is supplying Apple with facial recognition cameras for upcoming iPhone(s). LG's semiconductor division, also responsible for imaging sensors, has its work cut out for the foreseeable future. Reportedly, the company poured as many as $238.5 million into a brand new facility built solely to handle Apple orders.

Since 2016, the iPhone maker and LG Innotek have been co-developing a 3D facial recognition camera system designed for security and entertainment applications. The technology is going to be entirely new. Existing facial recognition solutions, such as the one present in the Samsung Galaxy S8 and S8+, employ two-dimensional scanning which gets easily fooled by photos of the subject's face.

LG Innotek also manufactures the dual camera on the iPhone 7 Plus. The facial recognition camera fashioned for Apple is going to the front of the handset, though. It's also smaller than any of the modules developed by the company before.

Unfortunately, this is all we know in regards to the new iPhone's facial recognition features at this point. Hopefully, Apple and LG have put together a reliable security feature that's more than just a gimmick.

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28 Comments

1. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

There is no facial sensing technology. If you think LG would not put it in their own phones after inventing it, you would be dumber than most. The fact that most of the "good" rumors for the iPhone 8 have been shot down by everyone including Apple-pro analysts should be sufficient to stop this relentless BS marketing for the improbable....but this is the iPhone, so the hopes and dreams never die (until release).

3. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

So... this thing called "evidence" exists. Do you have any? Or is this another "iFail...Apple will die" effort on your part? C'mon man, you're better than that.

6. bucky

Posts: 3783; Member since: Sep 30, 2009

no he isnt. Best not to read his comments.

4. Bankz

Posts: 2543; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

Lmao! The burthurt. Can imagine the heartbreak when apple finally includes the 3d sensing tech before anyone else after so much denial.. I will lol so hard..

7. AlikMalix unregistered

@FF post #1 Your point would hold water if Apple actually takes their stuff off their shelves, but that's never the case!!! Apple designs the parts and tech (including manufacturing procedures) and then taps LG and Samsung and w/e manufacturing to tpriduce those components. For example: look back at iPhone 5s - first 64 bit phone. Samsung built the processor, but they were years from having their own. In your world FF you actually believe that Apple does not have abilities to innovate and engineer (this to fit your narrative and feel good about your purchase) but they do that with every new device they release, you're just hung up on resolution or sd cards - which is nothing new. Apple designs their components, manufacturing process, and equipment for manufacturing - Samsung and LG just follow directions on paper.

12. ph00ny

Posts: 2031; Member since: May 26, 2011

AlikMalix, that's completely different than building components. Fab service is nothing like building a camera module, screen, dram, storage, etc

14. Bankz

Posts: 2543; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

You sir deserve a 'post' award.

18. RebelwithoutaClue unregistered

Yet in the article, it states: the iPhone maker and LG Innotek have been co-developing. It isn't always just Apple that does the engineering part.

22. AlikMalix unregistered

Yes, I'm also aware of the fact that it's Samsung and other manufacturers ability to "print" 10nm chip that allows Apple to design for that. I'm just trying to balance this antiapple propaganda that desperately trying to redicule those that purchase an iPhone as if Apple is incapable of anything - but somehow leads the smartphone industry in many aspects of the technology and adaptivity.

28. RebelwithoutaClue unregistered

It's a mixed baggage, Apple gets a lot of credit for stuff they didn't do, but also don't get credit for stuff they did do. But their SoC's are one of the best (I would even say the best) and while it's loosely based on ARM, they did design that thing from the ground up. You can't give credits to Samsung or TSMC for how well that SOC is

24. iushnt

Posts: 3097; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

While I agree with your post, it is not applicable for every component that the iPhone uses.

27. AlikMalix unregistered

@ ishnt post #24 Fair enough. There are technologies that were worked out by others that are implemented in the iPhone, but at the same time you can't credit Samsung or lg for the tech in their own devices entirely either. It's the right combination and tweaking of these technologies that either makes the device good or bad. For example: flagship android on paper should kill iPhones latest SoC. But in reality even an older iPhone 6s is faster at many aspects (even offscreen). Samsung for example is trying to win a consumer with higher resolution (and its working for some) but Apple keeps resolution at a level that's still very sharp but not taxing the battery and CPU/gpu, but further push the 64bit infrastructure making even the old 5s a very fast device that does everything quick with all the latest perks like FP sensor and slow-mo video recording that allows multiple 4K movie editing directly on the phone. This just one example where Apple makes moves - but if you must get that resolution up there - then you got other options. Personally I cannot live with a device that doesn't have forcetouch UI with third-party app support and throughout ecosystem - to me that's much more innovative than just higher resolution or bigger screen, it's not just a touch screen - it's a screen that knows when I press harder, have you tried a game with forcetouch enabled? It's a new kind of experience on a mobile device.

8. nctx77

Posts: 2540; Member since: Sep 03, 2013

It primesense tech in the camera, LG is just mass producing it. Apple bought Primesense back in 2013. Why must we explain this every year. It's the same with Apple's chips. Apple designs it and Samsung manufacturers it.

15. Bankz

Posts: 2543; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

Stop making sense dude. Just stop it!!!

11. ph00ny

Posts: 2031; Member since: May 26, 2011

You should really see what these OEMs announce and show in trade shows. You would be surprised to find so many products not being used in their devices.

16. piyath

Posts: 2445; Member since: Mar 23, 2012

"Existing facial recognition solutions, such as the one present in the Samsung Galaxy S8 and S8+, employ two-dimensional scanning which gets easily fooled by photos of the subject's face." MADE MY DAY.......LOLZZZ

2. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

"The technology is going to be entirely new. Existing facial recognition solutions, such as the one present in the Samsung Galaxy S8 and S8+, employ two-dimensional scanning which gets easily fooled by photos of the subject's face." So the facial recognition on the S8 series is purely cosmetic in nature? Didn't they tout that as a security feature at one point? Why even offer it at all?

5. Bankz

Posts: 2543; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

The burthurt will be so strong after unvieling the iphone edition tbh. Just wonder what they will do after apple includes AR on the rear dual camera.

10. HomerS

Posts: 419; Member since: Sep 19, 2014

the Iris scanner is secure even more so than fingerprints which you leave everywhere. facial recognition is less secure but Samsung released an update and i was not able to fool it with a photo.

17. piyath

Posts: 2445; Member since: Mar 23, 2012

Iris scanner is a genuine gimmick. Don't use that. It's way too stupid and unreliable.

21. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

Yeah right, just like facial recognition was a gimmick until it's now coming to your precious idevice...iDiot.

20. cmdacos

Posts: 4200; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

Granted I haven't done any digging since I don't care, I understand it's a convenience method as opposed to security but I haven't seen any compromises of facial recognition since the first video on the preproduction s8.

19. cmdacos

Posts: 4200; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

No actually they didn't promote facial recognition for security. Just convenience. And it's very convenient. Security though should be PIN/password iris or fingerprint.

25. iushnt

Posts: 3097; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

They haven't touted facial recognition as security feature but the iris scanner.

9. TBomb

Posts: 1484; Member since: Dec 28, 2012

Doesn't camera usage kill your phone's battery? Imagine how fast the battery will die when it uses the camera every time you wake it up.... which studies show is an absurd number of times per day.

13. bucky

Posts: 3783; Member since: Sep 30, 2009

I somehow think apple will figure out a usable method. That said, Id still prefer touching my iphone screen anywhere and having it read my fingerprint.

23. AlikMalix unregistered

TBomb, very good point. I really hope that I still have my front fingerprint sensor - don't see the reason to change to something else, it's quick, reliable, and that's the button I touch when I grab my phone - unlocks before the phone meets my eyes.

26. omnitech

Posts: 1131; Member since: Sep 28, 2016

Iris scanner is actually pretty dope. I only use it when my fingers are greasy or when the phone is on the table but it's dope,

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