T-Mobile may start the transition away from contracts later this month
1. Aeires (unregistered)
Great news, glad to be back on T-Mobile and hope this takes off so the other big three can take note.
3. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
So let me get this straight (please correct me if I'm wrong), you'd pay $99.99 for a Samsung Note II then pay an extra $25-$30 per month on top of your bill for the phone on an "installment plan."
It sounds like a contract to me..
What happens if you buy a Note II and stop paying your bill? Surely there's an early termination fee...
On a side note, it sounds appetizing to anyone who doesn't want to pay a lot for a phone upfront but why pay more monthly for it???
Please someone explain to me how this is a good idea??
5. ajac09 (Posts: 1358; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
its excatly like a contract. You are "locked in" till you pay the phone off (aka ETF to contracts) but you get the flexbility of changing phones alot more often and you pay up to 99 bucks down vs 299-400 for a phone on contract with tmobile
6. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2657; Member since: 26 May 2011)
There's no early termination fee, but if you stop paying your bill, your service will be cut off and you'll still owe T-Mo the difference on your phone. How they would go about collecting that, I can't say.
Here's why it's a good idea: the monthly plans are cheaper. So, you can buy your own GSM phone from anywhere you want, bring it to T-Mobile and get the cheapest plan on a major carrier. If you want a new phone, you can pay full price, or if you don't have the cash, you can split up the payments.
So, if you want the new Note II, you pay $99, then you still owe $600, so you pay $30 a month, and you have it paid off in 20 months. After that, you've got your phone and don't have to pay any extra anymore.
Compare that to a subsidy, where you pay $30 more for the plan anyway, but you're locked into a contract for 24 months. That sounds like a good idea to me, if T-Mo is reliable in your area.
8. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Still doesn't seem very different in the long run.. My company still sells T-Mobile even though we dropped them in our location. What do their plans run? Would an extra $25-$30 a month put them over Sprint/at&t/Verizon?
12. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2657; Member since: 26 May 2011)
T-Mo offers unlimited everything for $50 per month, which puts them well below Verizon and AT&T at least. Can't be bothered to research Sprint plans right now.
13. Sparhawk (Posts: 75; Member since: 10 Mar 2012)
Right now they do, but that won't necessarily carry over to the new situation.
9. disneydad (Posts: 114; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)
I guess everyone has forgotten T-Mobile's original experiment with this type of plan back in 2010-11. It didn't work out well for T-Mobile and they lost money due to people leaving their service before paying off their phone and fraud. The Value plans fixed that issue by keeping the lower plan prices but discouraging people from leaving by requiring a contract if you wanted to finance the phone. I'm curious to see how they tweak this now.
23. Bernoulli (Posts: 1436; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
And that's why we do credit checks, you charge them a high deposit and it's done
24. Bernoulli (Posts: 1436; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
It'll go about the deposit Michael, just like now, if their credit is bad their deposit will be high, besides we'd still block their imei due to fraud, they did that one time a lady came in to my store and tried to activate a phone on pre paid, the imei was locked, I looked it up and bam customer owed 1,600+-$ in her contract account, she said she bought the phone herself, not through t-mobile, so I called tech support and retail customer service (yeah we have our own retail line) and nope she got the phone subsidized from us, so I think that either way they'd make their money.
7. disneydad (Posts: 114; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)
It really isn't hard to understand. There is no such thing as a "free" phone, either you pay upfront or pay in the monthly plan cost. That's how it's worked for years in the U.S. Internationally subsidies are not as widespread due to a number of factors.
So you want a Note II? $699 please. Or you can pay interest free over 20 months with a $199 down payment. Your plan is $95 (Unlimited Minutes,Messaging,Data) plus taxes.
Two year cost = $2380
You go to ATT and look for something as close to that plan as possible which brings you to their individual Unlimited plan for $69.99 + $20 Unl. messaging + $50 5GB of Data for $140 plus the cost of the Note II ($300).
Two year cost = $3660
T-Mobile wins the cost contest by $1,280!
Same phone, unlimited plan, just need to make sure the network has you covered where you need it, and.....you're golden.
11. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Ok but compare that to Sprints contract plans. Sprint would win by nearly $300.00...
Sounds like a bad business deal. At least now they can claim to be the cheapest carrier, but by your logic they wouldn't be as cheap anymore.
16. Zero0 (Posts: 582; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
If Sprint wins by $300, get a Nexus 4 off contract for $350, and it's nearly a tie.
The only issue is that you kind of lose LTE (unless you roll back to 4.2.1 and use the poorly amplified, battery draining LTE capability). Fortunately for T-Mobile, Sprint's LTE speeds look to be similar to T-Mobile's HSPA+ in download, slightly faster in upload, and way faster in ping, but HSPA+ coverage is more widespread.
26. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
But unfortunately for T-Mobile they have less coverage than Sprint.
30. ztkells (Posts: 7; Member since: 26 Jan 2011)
Except your math is wrong. Everyone forgets to add in that dirty $10 monthly premium data upcharge. I love it how they always hide that when they do the comparison to other carriers. Add the taxes and they will be pretty much the same price.
31. CfullerTX (Posts: 19; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
It's not hidden. lol They advertise $79.99 for a single line. This includes the $10 "dirty upcharge". You're also wrong about the final tax included price. Sprint runs $90-$93 for an unlimited plan with taxes (no insurance)
Man I love the uneducated BS that is spouted on here sometimes....
35. Lboogey6 (Posts: 264; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)
actually no sprint and T-mobile generally come out to about the same until your finished paying off the phone then t-mobile comes out cheaper from then on until you get a new phone into payments literally no one in major carrier status comes out cheaper in the long run.
22. Bernoulli (Posts: 1436; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
No fool, you'd just be required to pay for the rest of the Galaxy note, and it's a good idea because in return your getting a cheap bill, let's do some recap; 5 $ unlimited texting for individual, 10 $ for families, 2 gigs of high speed is 10 $ that's less than half what Verizon and at&t charge, so you'd still have a cheaper bill, plus no actual contract, and like this you have the freedom of bringing your own device and just pay for the cheap bill without the extra 25 $ a month
4. Cannabis (Posts: 22; Member since: 20 Jan 2013)
I wonder if they are going to advertise their LTE Advanced compared to the competition...I can see it now "Dual 4G+" or Dual 4G... ADVANCED. And when the metro merger goes through and they begin to deploy 20X20 LTE...shiiiit. Early investments and adoptions have proven well for Tmo in the past, ex. coverage maps, 1st 4G network, Android, etc. so I see them growing soon if they get the word out.
10. disneydad (Posts: 114; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)
You hit the nail on the head Cannabis. They need to get the word out beyond marketing buzz words. T-Mobile has notoriously been horrible with their marketing. In their defense they don't have the budget of the giants, but they have let themselves become the carrier people love to rag on.
If they had launched the Droid campaign like Verizon it would have done wonders for them. Instead, most people associate Android with Droid, a model line, and have no clue TMO carried the first Android phone, the G1.
15. archangel9 (Posts: 230; Member since: 07 Feb 2010)
and add to that they are also the first US carrier to get the GSIII and the Note II,and maybe the S IV & HTC One.
19. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)
The Galaxy S4 will appear on tmobile first...Mark it down...
28. archangel9 (Posts: 230; Member since: 07 Feb 2010)
you know it Richard.Also mark the 12th down for the vote of the Metro PCS merger.
33. Cannabis (Posts: 22; Member since: 20 Jan 2013)
I couldn't agree more, I too always think about how big TMO could have grown if they took an agressive approach in marketing Android. Their current marketing of "No more Ms. Nice Girl" doesn't really stay with that in mind, Carly drives a bike around and they go over some nice things but there isn't that witty feel to it. Nothing left but to see what the "Uncarrier" really is.
17. Zero0 (Posts: 582; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
I wouldn't be so sure about the Metro merger. Two of MetroPCS's largest shareholders have come out saying that there isn't enough money in the deal.
That said, I think T-Mobile is going to do what it takes to make this happen. They could use a bit more spectrum, and Metro offers exactly the bands that they want most.
32. CfullerTX (Posts: 19; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
Agreed. T-mo is going to get bent over a barrel on the deal. Keep in mind there is only so much spectrum to go around...
34. Cannabis (Posts: 22; Member since: 20 Jan 2013)
I don't think DT the worlds 3rd largest telecommunications co is going to let two greedy MetroPieceOfs**t shareholders stop their deal. If it was TMOUSA alone w/o their parent co's help then I would be worried. Everyone knows these guys just want to squeeze a bit of more money out of the deal before it closes. Metro themselves still asumes everything to be finished by late April.
18. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)
This will be great and trust this the rest of the carriers will follow in tow....
20. babyboy14622 (Posts: 26; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
T-MOBILE HAS POOR COVERAGE AND SLOW INTERNET SPEEDS. GREAT NEWS TO HEAR ABOUT THE NEW MOVE THOUGH.
25. Bernoulli (Posts: 1436; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Well, glad I don't live in some hick town in the middle of nowhere! I average 22 mbps on my note II
29. archangel9 (Posts: 230; Member since: 07 Feb 2010)
Coverage is great on TMobile ,but in your case it depends where you at but don't fret because it will be there,but as far as voice FANTASTIC and data ,heck I get 22mbps DL and 2mbps UL on my GNote II and oh by the way LTE is coming to add to HSPA 42+. Tmobile got the industry shook .
21. chocolatebear76 (Posts: 121; Member since: 03 Mar 2011)
I really wish something similar can be available in sweden!
27. Bernoulli (Posts: 1436; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Hey you guys have the fastest LTE network ever, that's something
36. Rayvelynn (Posts: 123; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
I don't think they will build more towers where there are more cows than people, hahaha
37. soccerfreak1 (Posts: 1; Member since: 11 Apr 2013)
Can someone help me? I've been an existing customer with tmobile for like 3 years and Im currently have a plan with my blackberry... What would happen to my plan if the new plan translation comes? Would I be able to simply switch over to the iPhone 5 deal and new deal?