Samsung already delivering 14nm A9 chipset samples for the iPhone 7 to Apple
1. joey_sfb (Posts: 5419; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Apple need Samsung more than the other way around.
22. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Then why are you posting? Are you a "nobody"? Because last time I checked, it is impossible for "nobody" to make posts.
31. Bertelgeus (banned) (Posts: 126; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)
Wow, Samsung is DESPERATE to gain Apple back as THE big customer.
7. jaytai0106 (Posts: 1888; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
I think they need each other equally. Apple has the cash to create their own factories if they want to. However, they are going to the cheap option for short term.
18. guest (Posts: 338; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)
Actually it's unique to Intel for now. The reason the performance gains are not jaw dropping is because it's not a full shrink to 14 like intel is. The cost per transistor is also going up because they aren't doing it right.
32. joey_sfb (Posts: 5419; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
As guest had said intel and samsung 14nm process are different.
Apple fan can smash Samsung for all they want but intel is not ARM licensee so only Samsung can make their 14mn chip.
16. xfire99 (Posts: 798; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)
Have the cash to build own factories, is not same as have the technology to produce 14nm FinFET chips. So its not that Apple can do whatever they want with the cash.
19. guest (Posts: 338; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)
More like don't have the engineering talent. Everyone can buy the same tools but it's how you use them that counts.
23. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
What are you smoking dude. Samsung makes their own stuff, and they make stuff for other. What product has Apple ever made. NONE. Apple needs suppliers because their products are made up of components from other companies None of Apple products are Apple's. They buy them and brand them as their own.
The only thing inside Apple devices Apple can call theirs is the CPU. Because they like Samsung, are ARM licensees, and since they pay for the license they get to put their own name on THEIR design.
Samsung was making components and phones long before Apple was even though of. Samsung is a much older company than Apple. Samsung has far more money. The difference is, each company inside Samsung must be able to handle their own business. Samsung Mobile and Electronics is only a small part of Samsung. If Samsung lost Apple as a customer, sure just like any company that services other company, hey will lose money.
But the fact remains is simple, if Samsung lost Apple Samsung will still be fine as Apple however would struggle to replace the capabilities Samsung offers. They already tried and failed. TSMC makes good components, but they cant make them at the yields Samsung can. ITS THAT SIMPLE.
Samsung is 10x's the company Apple is, how are they equal. Samsung has one of the worlds tallest buildings, they have the worlds largest cargo ships, they make phones, appliances, construction equipment and more.
Name one product Apple has made. That's right. NONE. Apple CPU is designed by Apple, but it is based on ARM's designs.
12. Ethos (unregistered)
samsung is key for many other consumers / purchasers.. in other semiconductors ..
21. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Yes. Just like switching to GEICO can save you up to 15%, everyone knows that. The problem is, the fans thinks its the other way around. Samsung has never needed Apple, will never need Apple.
Apple is Samsung's customer. I know Samsung loves having Apple money, especially after Apple tried to sue them for the most lame attack ever done in the mobile industry.
Samsung I am sure does business with a lot of enemies, all companies do. But Apple is Samsung's worse enemy by far. Any company that would file a frivolous lawsuit against a hardware partner is either stupid or ignorant or both.
30. jack123 (Posts: 186; Member since: 07 Jan 2013)
It's all about money, not about who needs who more.
27. Salazzi (Posts: 537; Member since: 17 Feb 2014)
Actually Samsung needs Apple more. It needs the money more than Apple needs THEM (keyword) to be their chipset producers.
2. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Can this mean Samsung next gen exynos will be 14 nm( in the note 5/alpha 2 )?
4. vincelongman (Posts: 4158; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
I don't think Samsung's 14 nm process will be ready for the S6
Also I wonder if Qualcomm will let Samsung produce 14 nm 810s
14. pulkit1 (Posts: 354; Member since: 03 Jul 2014)
that is not how it works . qualcomm gives / sells complete soc not design . 810 will use 20nm process . Note 5 has good chance of having a 14nm chip.
5. vincelongman (Posts: 4158; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Sweet I hope Samsung win back Apple's production
I want TMSC to focus on AMD and Nvida GPUs
Some new GPUs for 4K gaming and VR would be nice
9. Spedez (Posts: 441; Member since: 29 Aug 2014)
Interesting that they are helping Apple to destroy their own market share.
17. Iodine (Posts: 1308; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)
Interesting that they were making better chips for Apple (A7) than for themselves.
10. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
So the current Apple soc is 20nm an is only on par with Snapdragon an other OEM silicone that are at 28nm an less in some cases?
And its 64 on top of that 20nm soc advantage an still with a dumbed down OS it just competes??
I never realized they were bringing grade A material an just making grade B class, bahaha Apple.
13. Loubielou (Posts: 505; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Samsung needs more than Apples when your "Chips" are Down,Why?do Samsung help the Company that is making them Struggle seems totally Odd,Make Apple Struggle then you get more Stronger and they will then realise that they will not be to popular
15. aba71983 (Posts: 805; Member since: 24 Jul 2014)
Samsung knows how to make best chips in any Apple product.
24. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
In product period. Every electronic device sold in the world has a chip from Samsung.
When I say every, that doesn't mean 100%. It does mean 99.9% as the changes of you finding a product that is electronic that doesn't have something from Samsung is almost NIL.
35. AmirBudi (Posts: 71; Member since: 21 Mar 2014)
But, I can't find Samsung product in high-end audio device. I don't see Samsung in Krell, Mark Levinson, Audio Research, Wilson Audio, Martin Logan, etc
20. vishalaestro (Posts: 81; Member since: 08 Dec 2013)
still don't know why samsung can't fit these processor's within their phones,maybe apples design is excellent than the samsung exynos and the qualcomm offerings
25. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
They can. Also look the Note 4 and iPhone 6 plus. The Note has a larger battery, larger logic board, larger camera, larger display, and the housing for the S-Pen and yet the device is still smaller than the iPhone 6 Plus.
Are you really gonna sit their sane say Apple designs stuff better? AT least My Note 2, 3 and 4 have never bent in my pocket.
28. marcski07 (Posts: 598; Member since: 25 Apr 2014)
i hope not, because that means same design, and i don't like their effin back, the gold and silver colours looks hideous. space grey, still ugly, but it is much better than the two
29. CreeDiddy (Posts: 619; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
Even at 20% performance increase Geekbench should be close to 2100-2200 single core, while 5100-5200 multi core score. These are based off the iPad Air 2 chipset. Not bad at all.
33. DaveElliott (Posts: 106; Member since: 20 Sep 2012)
This is good news for consumers as tech advances. What does it really matter that some of you are rooting for one housewife over the other on a reality tv show? Regardless of your genetic makeup, you are hereby simply identified as "mean girls".
34. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)
The A8 already DOES NOT THROTTLE.
This was an important step in mobile SoC manufacture that everyone ignored.
Snapdragon (and everyone else) throttles after minutes of use.
Qualcomm is years behind in design, and needs to figure out its heat problem before it increases performance (Which is why you've seen the Snapdragon 800 released 3 times already).
Shrinking nm process is one of the main reasons Apple achieved it. The problem is that Qualcomm on pace to adopt 14nm in 2016 or beyond. Hasn't even moved off 28nm for 3 years.