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Nokia's SEC filing reveals manufacturer's worry over possible Microsoft Surface phone

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Nokia's SEC filing reveals manufacturer's worry over possible Microsoft Surface phone
An SEC filing (Form 20-F) made by Finish based handset manufacturer Nokia shows the concern that the company has about the possibility of it having to face Microsoft as a rival in the mobile phone business. Of course, Microsoft's mobile OS Windows Phone 8 is the software that drives Nokia's phones, which means that if Microsoft starts focusing on its own Microsoft Surface phone, it probably would stop taking the time to improve Windows Phone for Nokia's line, and for other handset manufacturers that make Windows Phone powered devices.

What makes a possible Microsoft Surface phone all the more worrisome for Nokia is that unlike other handset manufacturers that produce Windows Phone models, Nokia is largely dependent on the OS. For example, if a Microsoft Surface model were to, well, surface, HTC could just concentrate on Android as could Samsung, Huawei and others.

"Microsoft may make strategic decisions or changes that may be detrimental to us. For example, in addition to the Surface tablet, Microsoft may broaden its strategy to sell other mobile devices under its own brand, including smartphones. This could lead Microsoft to focus more on their own devices and less on mobile devices of other manufacturers that operate on the Windows Phone platform, including Nokia."-Nokia's SEC Form 20-F filing

Last October, pictures allegedly of a Microsoft Surface protoype leaked. The handset prototypes, codenamed Juggernaut Alpha, are supposedly kept in Studio H at Microsoft's Redmond campus, guarded with the same intensity as those alleged alien bodies that are said to be kept at Area 51. So far in 2013, we have not heard much about a Microsoft phone although some of the last reports last year hinted that such a device could reach the market in the first half of 2013.

source: NokiaForm20-F via BGR

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posted on 08 Mar 2013, 21:36 5

1. avin007 (Posts: 139; Member since: 28 Feb 2013)


Samsung wants to follow tizen.....and redmond guys want to make their own phone.....coming months will be pretty amazing.......btw what was that device......ms ipad...lol

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 21:39 9

2. nikenturd (unregistered)


NOKIA'S own fault, they had the choice to go Android but they simply wagered on the losing side ...business is business, cant blame Microsoft

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:14 17

12. xperiaDROID (Posts: 5042; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Its not Nokia's fault, its Elop's fault.

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:36 5

16. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5520; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Except that Elop was hired in to be the CEO of... Nokia. So it is Nokia's fault after all.

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:40 7

18. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


Do you guys forget Google purchased Motorola for these same intentions.. Don't be foolish. Microsoft is just trying to achieve what Apple and Google already have.

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:53 3

20. protozeloz (Posts: 5367; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I have yet to see that happening.... So far Motorola is not getting the soft treatment...

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 23:02 8

26. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


1. Nokia joined forces with MS before Google bought Motorola

2. We have yet to see any Google influence of Motorola. At the same time...Nokia and MS are practically married. With favoritism going towards Nokia from the beginning.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 00:24

27. haseebzahid (Posts: 1797; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


wht favorism is that besides the 250m$ per quater they not have let them get in the OS and they are charging them for wp patents too

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 09:25 1

46. papss (unregistered)


In all fairness we haven't seen much at all by moto..

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 00:46 1

53. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Google bought Motorola Mobility primarily for the patents, and it was a protective move designed to put them on equal footing with Apple and Microsoft. In my opinion, they had no intention of keeping the company intact, and they are now in the process of discarding the pieces they don't need...

Microsoft has a good partner in Nokia, which has a very strong patent portfolio of it's own. Microsoft won't make it's own smartphones, unless it buys Nokia outright. Besides, who would buy an inferior Microsoft WP8 smartphone? Nokia's reputation for producing quality devices is well deserved, and it's unlikely Microsoft will risk alienating it's own partner by attempting to market something that won't sell anyway.

Also, the jury is still out regarding the success or failure of WP8. Android fanboys will say WP8 is a total failure, but they are not interested in making honest and objective evaluations, and their opinions should be typically disregarded due to an obvious bias against Microsoft and it's allies.

If Microsoft did market it's own "Surface Phone", then Nokia would likely jump ship to Android, and possibly market both types of devices. However, such a move would see WP8 quickly lose steam, and then fade away. Microsoft needs Nokia in order for WP8 to succeed, and will not risk ruining the business relationship.

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 09:33 1

54. papss (unregistered)


Very well said

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 07:55 3

42. RomeoJDR (Posts: 237; Member since: 09 Dec 2011)


Google bought Moto strictly for patent protection. Motorola has what 2 maybe 3% of the market and is cutting back over a 1000 jobs.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 03:01 2

35. Guest_star (Posts: 231; Member since: 30 Dec 2011)


yeah, go to android and be in a shadow of samsung...and try to beat them, this way nokia has no real competition and is top hardware manufacturer for OS, but I do think they should make android device as well as windows devices

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 12:09 1

51. jsdechavez (Posts: 697; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


Once Microsoft decides to make their own phones, Nokia should diversify. Android!!!!

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 21:41 3

3. nikenturd (unregistered)


If this phone will be Google Play compatible, it sounds exciting indeed.

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 21:52

7. akki20892 (Posts: 3230; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


yep....exciting

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:37 7

17. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5520; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


And why on Earth would a MS Surface phone be Google Play compatible?

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 09:14

44. roscuthiii (Posts: 1785; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


My guess is he's thinking of Bluestacks. So, not really Google Play exactly, but capable of running Android apps.

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 21:42 5

4. tusshharish (Posts: 341; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)


microsoft shoud support nokia more than making surface phone......................or nokia should make tablet to rival against surface tablets..........i think 2nd is better

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 21:45 4

5. akki20892 (Posts: 3230; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


100% dude agree....and i know johnnokia said nokia working on their own OS since 3 years......so interesting or nokia will go with android that will be great.

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:52 1

19. MrJerry (Posts: 384; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)


Nokia tablet with its own OS?

Sorry it doesnt sound so promising...

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 00:28 1

28. haseebzahid (Posts: 1797; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


no actually it will be wonderful since Nokia has always targeted what user likes to do i like wp but its also true MS dont completly listen to users but nokia has a long history of user friendly excpet going with MS most will say ofcourse if they make another OS this can turn to their own favor android is not best option maybe good enough but not for users at all

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 21:48 2

6. akki20892 (Posts: 3230; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


Nokia you should go with your own linux OS & has a top apps Or go with Android will be hit of the year Phone, great phone with great os......!!! Elop mention that they will go with other os (ex: Android) interesting in future when nokia release android phone....!!!

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 03:26

36. volcano (Posts: 248; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)


ya sure because google doesn't own Motorola and they don't have their own phones

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 21:58

8. avin007 (Posts: 139; Member since: 28 Feb 2013)


If microsoft launch their own phone nokia will be history(with symbian phones displayed at cultural museums of finland).....symbian is gone and now they may possibly lose love and care of windows.....microsoft got what they wanted....popularity and recognition in mobile arena via nokia. They can afford to show middle finger to nokia...good luck elop

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 00:30 2

29. haseebzahid (Posts: 1797; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


well still WP is more sold only because of nokia others aint doing as good as them besides MS sufrace was cool but not as affortable to get it

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:07 2

9. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1044; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)


Microsoft would be stupid to make their own phone. They should just have Nokia build whatever they want since they're only one step away from owning them anyways.

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:07

10. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Ok....so are they assuming MS would do their own hardware? Why assume MS would just alienate the OEM(s)?

If I'm not mistaken....Surface tablets are made by OEMs, right?

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:12 3

11. bojan (Posts: 188; Member since: 06 Oct 2012)


Nokia you need to go Andriod or you will be ditched soon by Microsoft and it would be too late for you to join Andriod

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:22 6

14. MC1123 (Posts: 1229; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


no android!! there's a ton of open software out there! they could use sailfish and also firefox (since they support it with thier here maps)

you should realize that not all people like android and its not the only choice!! they can still go their own way, if they develop their own home grown OS, symbian and meego

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:53 7

21. Whateverman (Posts: 3187; Member since: 17 May 2009)


That's true, not everyone likes Android! Only about 60 or 70% of the worlds population.

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:57 1

23. protozeloz (Posts: 5367; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Zing!

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 07:07 1

41. SleepingOz (unregistered)


Only! haha

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:56 2

22. protozeloz (Posts: 5367; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Problem with many of those is that they are either beta, or lame or just plain old...

Most of those os won't show up till 2014... The most viable option is android or Ubuntu

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 00:32 2

30. haseebzahid (Posts: 1797; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


i say them resurect Meego with App Emulator :D best choice different and laggless OS + more open then Android in UI

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:18 2

13. MC1123 (Posts: 1229; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


see, the very reason why you need to have your own software! look at samsung, they made tizen to counter android coz even them they dont want android to be dominant in every aspect!

i will say it again, CONTINUE SYMBIAN AND LET JOLLA/MEEGO JOIN YOU AGAIN!!! SEDUCE THEM TO JON YOU!! YOU SAY YOU'RE SORRY THAT YOU DITCH THEM! and you realize your mistakes!!!

the nokia that real nokia fans (including myself) knows is that they have their own software and best in hardware! all symbian needs is support from developers and tweaking, Nokia Belle gave symbian a life but you killed it! MeeGo is the future! look at all the upcoming OS, sailfish, ubuntu and also the now available BB10, they are all gestures which i think MeeGo (well technically Palm webOS started all the gesture-y base OS) is the most innovative and futuristic!! it dont have confusing gestures - its simple and easy to understand!!! s40 ruin that experience! we want it on a real meego device!

so please nokia, im begging! continue what you have!! symbian and meego, symbian for low end and meego for high mid range and flagship!

what you consider your friend is your worst enemy!! if the surface phone will turns out to be real, it is your greatest obstacle! coz now microsoft will spend its money to advertise their device, not yours!

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 01:38 1

33. shuaibhere (Posts: 1297; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


Tizen was never meant to counter with android... it's a replacement for bada ...

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 22:24 5

15. N-fanboy (Posts: 528; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)


Psssssss no worries B-) Nokia Own's wp with its Lumias and will own the world with Eos. #the truth!

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 23:00 2

24. protozeloz (Posts: 5367; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


1. This is not twitter..
2. If you going to use #hashtags make sure you use them with no spaces in #thewords thank you

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 23:01 1

25. Whateverman (Posts: 3187; Member since: 17 May 2009)


What you said is true, but is that a good thing? With Microsoft and Nokia working so closely, what insentive do other OEMs have to make a WP device? Microsoft may want to start working with the other OEMs if they want to grow their marketshare.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 00:33

31. rusticguy (Posts: 2813; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Basically NOKIA is worried about losing out on M$ COUPONS ... they will dry out for sure like they dried out for Novell.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 01:18 1

32. speckledapple (Posts: 877; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


I suppose if its dependents are not producing the kind of hardware Microsoft really wants to get behind, they should go ahead and make their own. However, I do think that is the case with Nokia.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 01:46 2

34. volcano (Posts: 248; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)


its too early for Microsoft to release Surface Phone and i don't they will release it until maybe windows phone 9 when windows phone start to gain a lot of market share and when there is a space for everyone to sell more windowsphones...

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 03:28 1

37. avin007 (Posts: 139; Member since: 28 Feb 2013)


If nokia doesn't think fast they may be reduced to a small company and u know wat will hppn then?????.....they will taken up by sm camera company coz nokia is known for its optics.....hahahahaaa

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 03:53 1

38. 8logic (Posts: 129; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)


Join android!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 06:05

39. dan_md (Posts: 66; Member since: 19 Oct 2010)


Hence, the old adage "not to put all eggs in one basket" holds true. I don't see why Nokia can't succeed with Android, WP8, s40.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 06:12 2

40. rikardinjo (Posts: 2; Member since: 06 Mar 2013)


If phone comes with Microsoft badge on it, will take one year for customers to start trust this piece of "engineering".

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 08:59

43. NateAdam8 (Posts: 134; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)


Nokia should've just made both cause then they'd have been a all around company

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 09:17 1

45. marchels14 (unregistered)


Idiots ditched mego now nokia will suffer.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 09:44

48. iS-Aha (banned) (Posts: 11; Member since: 09 Mar 2013)


I know how iditic of them, blame that Eflop and the boad of members.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 09:44 4

47. papss (unregistered)


Lol at all the fandroids.. More doom and gloom? Geez you all (including the amateur bloggers of this site) have been spinning these stories for so long... Don't be scared of change.. It's alright not all people are mindless lemmings who want android.. I for one will never support google and its security flawed OS (most businesses would never us android, why is that?) or privacy breached search engine. Point is that no OS is perfect so stop pretending.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 10:02

50. iS-Aha (banned) (Posts: 11; Member since: 09 Mar 2013)


Ubuntu Linux Android rules its free. You don't have to buy office. Its more stable. You are free from virsuses. You Don't have to wait years to get bugs fixed. you're PC won't. Get slower.tired of multiple windows on you're screen.
You are free. No need to defrag you're hard disk.

Government enterprises CIA mi5 use Linux Android

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 09:54 1

49. -box- (Posts: 3706; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Valid concern, but I see the Surface as Microsoft's Nexus series, low-volume platform benchmark. If it's going to bring more attention to the platform, so much the better. Keep it away from the carriers and off-contract only.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 12:44 1

52. Taters (Posts: 2579; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


I would love to see a Surface phone. I would considering purchasing it as long as they don't become patent douches like Nokia.

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