Apple uses technicality in an attempt to prevent Verizon from being a "friend of the court"
On Tuesday, Apple referred to federal court rules that prevent a non-party from making the statement it filed, in district court. If the court fails to reject Verizon's brief, Apple wants until October 6th to respond so that it can continue to work on the coming October 13th hearing on a possible ban of certain Samsung devices. Apple says that Verizon hadn't asked for its consent to produce its brief until the day that it was filed, not giving the former time to find evidence that might force the court to dismiss it.
Considering that Verizon gets much of its sales from Apple products in addition to Samsung devices, Verizon might have counted on Apple to attempt to block its amicus brief. The carrier might have just wanted to make a public show of supporting Samsung and Google. If Apple does win the case, Verizon will lose some business although speculation is that Samsung already has some new high-end Android devices, including the much anticipated Google Nexus Prime, coming as soon as early November.
source: FossPatents via Electronista (1), (2)
1. wumberpeb (Posts: 452; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)
Sorry, but if you maneuver your way to start banning Samsung products here in the US, you're going to start hearing about it...
...so don't start
About 250 million American cellular consumers
7. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
249 million of which don't give a s**t about Samsung products. A REAL American would support Apple.
12. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Google is an American company too. We all know that is who the real target is here. And what about the Samsung emplyoees that live and work here in the US?
13. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
This is between Apple and Samsung. A Korean company vs an American company. Apple creates 10's of thousands of US jobs. Pick your side, but you seem to lack any patriotism or pride.
15. haikallp (unregistered)
so just because someone gets a product made from a foreign country it means he/she is not a patriot? Cut the crap.
71. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
Not to mention the fact that Apple buys it's components from 'foreign' companies and assembles it's devices overseas.
What is patriotic about that
16. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
And there it is again! Why is it that you have to make this personal? Who are you to question me about my patriotism or pride? Don't go there with me, let's keep on the subject of cell phones.
Samsung has thousands of employees here as well. So what will banning these products do for these workers? Is it so important to line Apple's pockets, that you would like to see these employees lose their jobs?
17. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
10's of thousands.. can you provide hard numbers? if not..
18. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Taco. Don't try and use that old link from 2006 either. We all know those jobs were shipped overseas long time ago.
32. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Yea because Apple moved all their retail stores overseas. I have to fly to China to wait in line for iPhone 5.
47. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4698; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
taco50 we all know that Apple only opens retail stores in the U.S. I don’t know of any manufacturing jobs here in the U.S. for any Apple product. I have never been to an Apple store that has 100 employees. It's more like 5 or 6. The iPhone is like blood diamonds, lots of people sacrifice, are subjected to horrible work conditions (think sweat shops), pollution, & even death (suicide), yet you own an iPhone 4. That iPhone 4 you have could have been made by someone who is suffering or worse could be dead right now. This has nothing to do with patriotism or America VS Korea. It has to do with basic human rights & the livelihood of the hard working people who made your iPhone 4. So taco50 lets be a little bit more sensitive & not be so blind to the facts that ARE being reported in the news. This is real not some conspiracy against Apple.
19. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)
Uh, where are Apple's devices made? Hmm, I think that's CHINA! Not America.
20. Sniggly (Posts: 7291; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
What horses**t. Koreans are people too, and probably more in need of jobs than Americans. Furthermore, you'll find that foreign companies employ large numbers of Americans.
f**k patriotism. Patriotism leads directly to bigotry, hostility, war and death. Conflicts due to nationalism and patriotism are almost as bad as religious conflicts.
30. shayan (Posts: 159; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
its not about america vs korea. Its about right vs wrong.
42. pandamaja (unregistered)
Apple also has all their products made in china. Foxconn has poor working conditions, high suicide rates and has been accused of heavily pollution in china.
But I guess you're right, its super patriotic that Apple doesn't subject American assembly line workers to those conditions. Ass hat
46. dionddc (Posts: 129; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)
taco50, what phone do you use?
If it's an iPhone, please throw it away. Parts of it are made by Samsung. You can't go supporting foreign companies now, can you?
89. aj (unregistered)
kinda funny how taco doesnt have anything to say after he got pooned as hard as he did...
100. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I will respond and not by using foul language like you..... if you have a Samsung phone ..trow it away.. it was made from, Apple's money.....
the only thing you owned is that laggy Android phone
103. iphuck (unregistered)
i register just to give you a thumbs up for your nice comment. .!! i loled
48. superguy (Posts: 280; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
Supporting an American company that actually makes the phone in China with low paid workers that can't even afford to buy the phone they make.
Yeah, let's keep supporting them ...
50. kg4icg (Posts: 71; Member since: 18 May 2008)
You forgot that Apple's products are made oversea's by guess who, Samsung, LG, Foxxcon, and a few others.
60. cc (unregistered)
99. Smokn04cobra (Posts: 22; Member since: 20 Feb 2011)
Taco...you are a prime example of the reason Americans are viewed as being ignorant, overweight, assholes.
Have a good day!
22. trin (Posts: 88; Member since: 11 May 2010)
This has to be one of the most retarded statements I've ever seen anyone make on PA. So I guess every single product you've ever purchased was American made and manufactured right?
Smh. You chose the perfect name to troll with; you're flaky, fragile, and full of crap that can only be handled in small doses. Douche nozzle.
34. JC (unregistered)
No, a REAL American will support choice and freedom and support capitalism. This means as consumers we should be the deciding factor on what product get cheers and which one gets jeers.
Samsung may be a Korean company but it's a conglomerate and as such also has a large presence in the US and other countries as well.
37. 87168 (unregistered)
What about Windows...that's also an American company, and as Whateverman already stated so it Google. Mr. Patriotic, get out of here with that crap.
43. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 7043; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Youre nothing but a troll and kiss Steve Jobs ass.
55. wumberpeb (Posts: 452; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)
Going for a record number of Thumbs Down, Taco?
This is about as hypocritical a statement as I've ever heard...
1.) The Retina display in your iPhone 4?
Manufactured by LG, a South Korean company
2.) The A4 processor powering your iPhone 4?
Manufactured by Samsung, a South Korean company
3.) The entire design of the iPhone 4?
Designed by a guy named Jonathan Ive (i think), who was born in London. We're getting closer, but not exactly an American
...and to say nobody gives a damn about Samsung products would be as dumb as anything I've ever heard you spew
61. corporateJP (Posts: 2422; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
So "dead on".
Nice to see somebody on here did there homework.
Where's the stupid chicken guy with his rhetoric now?
74. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
so a real american would support a company that gouges its customers, sends 95% of its workload overseas for tax breaks and cheap labor, and sues anyone that wants to outsell them?? lol
27. Sam (unregistered)
If we keep doing this, Samsung will soon become a total American company :)
41. ibap (Posts: 732; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)
Apple is an "American" company? Is it manufacturing here? And talk about restricting choice.
Remember when the American car companies complained about not being able to sell in Japan?
If we want to sell overseas, they don't have to let us if we won't let them sell here. All that stuff about capitalism and competition? It goes both ways.
2. haikallp (unregistered)
Apple seems so scared of Samsung that they're doing whatever they can to win the battle against Samsung. It's pathetic
6. jogutier (Posts: 324; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)
Do u mean on how pathetic apple is looking, then yes. Lol
23. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
hahahaahahhahahahahahahah ya when they are almost the number one company in the world i wud say ur wrong… please go read the factsheet before u say that..
38. dvancleave (Posts: 32; Member since: 19 Jul 2010)
You might want to check the annual earnings posted for each of these companies. Samsung is a very big and diverse company with their hands in just about every aspect of electronics. If you stick to the facts, Samsung has consistently reported 2-3 times the annual earnings of Apple.
39. BuckeyeCadet86 (unregistered)
Are you serious? "Almost the number one company in the world" Not even close, not even by half. Their stock may have a high value but that has nothing to do with the company's actual value or net worth. Please read your own factsheet!
40. dvancleave (Posts: 32; Member since: 19 Jul 2010)
Samsung: 2010 revenues at Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. totaled $154.6B, while annual earnings equaled $88,531.00 per share.
Apple: 2010 revenues at Apple Inc. totaled $65.2B, while annual earnings equaled $15.15 per share.
57. wumberpeb (Posts: 452; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)
While there's plenty more idiot Fandroids trolling around Phone Arena than iDiots, you're up there with some of the dumbest Lucas777.
...and at least the other iFans make some sense. You bring no facts or logic to anything you say. Broad statements like "Apple is number one, go read ur factsheet before you say that..." support my claim and really don't say anything, especially when you're wrong.
Number one in profits in the cellular industry? Yes.
"Number one in the world!" No.
28. pink-taco50 (banned) (Posts: 1; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
ha! Come out of fantasy land buddy. Apply doesn't play anything well. Apple is like the bitch kid who complains to the teacher when he doesn't get his way. This was a bitch move. Apple ought to stop worrying so much about other companies and try and make a good product.
no, they should worry- android is kicking their ass in innovation
4. The-Omega-Man (Posts: 12; Member since: 25 Jun 2011)
This is really getting interesting. Apple is playing with more than just Samsung's profitability here. The Carriers have a vested interest in Samsung products and Android products in general. Apple is beginning to really look like the industry bad guy and may face more concerns than the likes of Samsung and VZW, if they choose to continue to go down this path. The shareholders may end up being more affected by negative press than any potential loss in sales by the competition.
25. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
yes and no… do u think verizon will coninue after apple slaps them on the hand? i doubt it… and we all know att wud never do anything to make apple move away from them…
29. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Apple needs Verizon a lot more the Verizon needs Apple, so there will be no slapping hands. Think about it, VZW managed to became the biggest cellphone provider while the iPhone was still exclusive on ATT. Do you really think Apple is going to shot themselves in the foot by NOT making VZW iPhones? Not gonna happen.
62. corporateJP (Posts: 2422; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
While you have a good point, after all this patent debacle, I put nothing past Apple.
It would not suprise me one bit if Apple purposely delayed models to Verizon or made different (better) versions for other carriers.
Like the guy up top said, "Apple is a bitch kid".
82. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I could see them trying something like that too, but I think the access to 100 million customers would make them think twice about screwing with VZW.
5. baldilocks (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)
Samsung should stop ripping off their designs and the look of their software. Here's hoping Apple removes the Verizon iPhone.
11. Yeeee (Posts: 190; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
Are you stupid for every 2 million iphones sold at verizon they make at least 1.2 billion dollars. Thats only if they sell 16gb iphones they make more money from 32gb ones.
8. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
This makes lot of publicity for Samsung
Everybody wants to buy a galaxy phone or tablet now
And many hate apple...
59. wumberpeb (Posts: 452; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)
even Google Translate doesn't know what the hell you're saying
14. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
yes we all know
He needs psychiatric help
21. Sniggly (Posts: 7291; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Looks like Verizon got Apple's attention. I want to see how this drama plays out.
26. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I'm curious to see if other carriers have the huevos to do the same. That would be cool to see all 4 major carriers stand up for their products.
24. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)
If Verizon is jumping in because they say it'll hurt their LTE growth, that hints that the next iPhone on Verizon isn't going to have LTE capabilities.
31. SIEKONE (unregistered)
This is so stupid, Apple makes such great products such as there ipads and mac books, and hell even the iphone is well made and designed (IMO) and I own a mac and would never own a PC unless custom built, but I love Samsung phones they are pretty damn nice, but I swear Apple is pissing me off with all this baby s**t and I wouldn't mind seeing them get there products ban from sale here in the US just to shut them up, This is starting to get very Very annoying!!!
64. corporateJP (Posts: 2422; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
Nice to see some unbiased opinions from somebody else in the middle every once in a while.
A person should be a "phone fan" first, then choose which path to take.
33. Packer29 (Posts: 56; Member since: 10 Sep 2011)
Wow calling someone unpatriotic is very sad how about people can tell the difference between right and wrong and the fact that Apple has sued every single competitor multiple times is enough for me to pick a side and the side i pick is choice and not stifiling compitetion.
35. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Apple created only office jobs, R&D jobs, sale reps. in America may be Call Center is in India and making more profits. All 100,000s manufacturing jobs are in foreign countries. It is Apple false starting Patent Wars from napkin to banned Samsung products every where.
44. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 7043; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Really starting to hate Apple more than ever. Apple know their afraid of Samsung. The Droid Charge is their best 4G LTE PHONE. Apple have NO RIGHT to banned any company trying to make a sale and it would be bad for the economy. And Verizon have Samsungs back. Plus Apple doesnt even have a 4G phone.
49. dacastrator (Posts: 232; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
After all the basing, taco is speachless now.