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Snapdragon 810's heat issues reportedly dealt with, mass production goes to mid-March

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Snapdragon 810's heat issues reportedly dealt with, mass production goes to mid-March
The use of Samsung's own Exynos line of chipsets instead of Snapdragon 810 in the Galaxy S6 might not be because of the purported overheating issues the TSMC foundry allegedly has with Qualcomm's newest retail SoC, but because Samsung actually wants to go to war with the world's most famous mobile chip maker, and take it head on with its superior 14nm manufacturing process.

Some more water in this rumor mill was poured by a Chinese analyst with ties to the TSMC foundry, where the 810 chipsets are currently being hammered out. The initial heat-dissipation issues at peak frequencies have been dealt with, he advises, and TSMC will be shipping perfectly fine silicon to its customers. The real production ramp-up of the new batches, however, is not expected until mid-March, so that's when all those flagships with Snapdragon 810 that will be announced around the MWC expo, are expected to launch at the earliest. 

Does this mean that Galaxy S6 will ship with an Exynos 7 Octa processor, but subsequent batches might employ Snapdragon 810 in certain regions? That remains to be seen, yet if Samsung feels it finally has the weapon to take on Qualcomm, it might stick with Exynos for a while.

source: OldYao (Weibo) via G4Games

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posted on 05 Feb 2015, 09:55 8

1. Neros (Posts: 1016; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)


If sammy decides to sell both sd810 and exynos at the same time, it's only bad news for the exynos owners because sammy will have to castrate it again, so the sd810 variant doesn't feel like an outdated and slow piece of crapnext to the exynos. Same what they did to note 4 exynos variant, but it still blows 805 in speed tests and doesn't overheat so easily. Seriously, if Americans want to have their strange lte frequency levels, let them have it and give them the crapdragon sammy, but don't punish the rest of the world for the US akwardness.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 10:01 7

4. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Actually it only happens initially. After a few months, an update comes which enables full power of the exynos chips and nobody even notices except the users of the exynos variant.

I have noticed it myself with the S4 octa. Am update came in late 2013 that boosted the performance. Now it basically kills the SD 600.

For example, my S4 octa scores 2550 in geekbench 3 while the SD 600 doesn't even reach 1900. And when they were launched, they had the same scores.

Note: it's also found that Samsung is not cheating in benchmarks since 4.4 so these scores are true and not manhandled.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 11:57

17. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


If an update will enable the full power of exynos note 4 then will it be fully 64bit? Because as I know samsung has used 32bit memory controller in exybos. Shouldnt it be 64bit as well to update it in future?

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 13:28 1

20. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


The memory controller is dual 32 bit on note 4 and memory controller has no relation with 64 bit processor or OS.

It's upto Samsung to update note 4 to 64 bit.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 20:01

26. thegeneral7010 (Posts: 320; Member since: 10 Dec 2014)


64 bit is not gonna be actviated for exynos 5433 i saw a avideo for samung note 4 SLTE powered by exynos and running on android 5.0.1 in 32 bit samsung is going to drive me crazy they make 64bit and they dont take advantage of it all of this because of the stupid crapdragon805 they didnt want to make big differances between the 2 variants

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 10:03

7. emanuelwooten (unregistered)


I thought sammys Exynos supported usa frequencies.

posted on 06 Feb 2015, 09:08

31. j2001m (Posts: 2789; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


The one in the s6 will do, they now got a modem that supports it within the cpu and yes the note4 does support many

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 10:16 3

9. rd_nest (Posts: 1591; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


That's called denial. When it's been proven that already Exynos is miles ahead of Qualcomm this season. Don't forget Qualcomm just starting on 20nm, when Exynos is goingfull throttle on 14nm.
Samsung is not blind, it would have used Qualcomm if there was any advantage. Reason why it's not doing is simple beacuse they thing Exynos is superior.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/samsungs-own-chips-were-factor-in-blow-to-qualcomm-1422845186

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 10:18 2

10. emanuelwooten (unregistered)


Who said the exynos wasn't better it definitely is.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 11:34

14. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


I wonder what you are calling denial whe everyone was agreeing with you in the first place.
Please read all the previous post agin...

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 13:18 2

18. medicci37 (Posts: 1271; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


Wish people would stop posting links to that bs WSJ site. Only let's you read a small part of the article unless you sign up & sign in!

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 13:28

19. Martin_Cooper (Posts: 1371; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)


First of all most of tech geeks already know that. An no one is saying the new 14nm exynos is worse. Thing is no matter how great it is you will never see an exynos on a device that sells tens of millions of phones each year(beside a samung phone). Samsung is making those cpu's for its own phones and not to mention they are struggling to produce the huge amount of parts that Apple is paying them to produce. And to make a new factory to produce more cpu's takes years. And I mean years. Qualcomm on the other hand doesn't make phones nowadays so they can sell cpu's to anyone who pays them. The world needs qualcomm for many years to come and they will dominate mobile cpu's for a long time. Plus they will be out with their 16nm cpu's by this summer which is pretty good too.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 15:28 1

22. Niva. (Posts: 418; Member since: 05 Jan 2015)


Qualcomm is needed for competition, so far they've dominated but in the last 6 months things have shifted. Samsung has seemingly gotten their crap together and their new chips on 14 nm blow out everything else. Given that qualcomm chips have dominated the market it only makes sense for Samsung to start pushing their own hardware. Yes Qualcomm chips at 16 nm are around the corner, but word is they'll use Samsung factories for their chips as TSMC is having problems scaling down. Even when those chips are out they'll still be at 16 nm instead of 14, and by the time mass production rolls around it will be 6 months to a year too late. Damage is already done, Qualcomm got caught flat footed by both 64 bit and by manufacturing process reduction. The only reason they're not under water is because of their stranglehold on the market. I too hope that the 16 nm 820 SD chips will be competitive with the 14 nm Enyxos or we're in for some tough times ahead.

It's interesting that you brought up Apple and how Samsung ties in. At some point Samsung will have to prioritize if they run into production issues and not being able to meet demand. If such a thing happens, it will be interesting thing to see if they scale back on producing for Apple or if they scale down producing chips for their own devices. It's a lose lose type situation but I have a feeling they'll let Apple go to someone else rather than cap their own production.

Good time to watch the industry.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 21:22

27. may_czos (Posts: 712; Member since: 22 Nov 2014)


SD820 is rumored to be at 14nm.

posted on 06 Feb 2015, 10:02

32. j2001m (Posts: 2789; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Then 100% made by Samsung, samsung does not do 16nm

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 09:56 1

2. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Samsung did a really good decision.

Oh, and does it confirm that g flex 2 and that xiaomi phone are shipping with defective SoC

posted on 06 Feb 2015, 10:03

33. j2001m (Posts: 2789; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Yes, it also means htc will do so also apart from if there phones are not out to may, so if they come out March or starts of April, then they getting the bad cpus

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 09:59

3. emanuelwooten (unregistered)


At least im not scared to buy a phone with the 810 powering it now.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 10:02 2

6. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


I suggest to wait for some official tests. Qualcomm is really trying to convince people.

Even if a false thing is repeated again and again as true, it starts appearing as truth. Don't fall for that.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 10:07

8. emanuelwooten (unregistered)


I want buy until official test and the Exynos seems to be better anyway and the best matters to so i might just go gs6 anyway. if the US version comes with the Exynos that is.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 11:38

15. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


I agree with Tyrion, wait for something oficial. All tests till now show a big lead of Exynos over SN810, mostly because of the 14nm FinFet against 20nm planar (not much Qualcomm can do there).
The only tests I have seen for SN810 are the LG Flex 2 and they are worse than the Exynos 5433 (20nm), so imaging when the Exynos 7420 goes out.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 10:01 1

5. Derekjeter (Posts: 810; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


How much faster can one be more than the other??? Unless you tell me the Exynos chip will just blow SD 810 out of the water or vise versa most people won't care what's in the phone as long as it's fast. This is just Samsung trying to keep everything in house, good for them. Hopefully the Exynos chip will help with TW lag.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 10:28 1

12. tdslam720 (Posts: 70; Member since: 05 Jan 2015)


14nm vs 20nm

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 11:42 1

16. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


For the intial test: around 30% for the Exynos if the initial tests hold value:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1779725?baseline=1819752
That´s in CPU, in GPU I don´t know.

posted on 06 Feb 2015, 10:07

34. j2001m (Posts: 2789; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


It's going to blow it out of the water the 810 is only just going to keep up with the note4 Samsung cpu

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 10:24 1

11. MrTzr (unregistered)


What about the G Flex 2? Will it have the older batch with heat issues?

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 10:34 5

13. tdslam720 (Posts: 70; Member since: 05 Jan 2015)


Yes sir

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 15:32

23. Niva. (Posts: 418; Member since: 05 Jan 2015)


Proof of your claims is where? I've not yet seen benchmarks of the SD810 in the LG G Flex 2 on a production device sold to customers.

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 14:10

21. Predator1701 (Posts: 108; Member since: 28 Oct 2014)


This is all the work of Samsungs marketing, i mean rumors of overheating for S810 have started when somebody "leaked" an information that sammy won't use qualcomm SoC this year while LG was the only one that wen't on record of doubting those information. I guess they are trying to "justify" their reasons of using their own chips. What better way then accusing your main competitor of faulty products;)

posted on 06 Feb 2015, 10:10

35. j2001m (Posts: 2789; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


It means nothing even if it does not over heat,samsungs 14nm kills it doa, Samsung had the same cpu spec last oct in the note4, they had to kill the cpu down to 805 level due to it being crap

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 16:30

24. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8467; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


What? Samsung wants to go to war with Qualcom? You are joking right?
Samsung is the biggest buyer of QUALCOMM chips. Samsung chose not to use the SD810 because their was an issue. And unlike Apple, who is more than willing to release a broken phone to the public and fix it later with a bandaid, they chose a safer route in using their own chips. That doesn't mean Samsung wanted too.

I am sure Samsung was quite happy using the Exynos outside the US as they already had been and using the SD for US model.

The writers here have so much hate for Samsung., even though we all knew the SD was having issues.

Since the birst of the Ga;axy S, Samsung has sold close if not more than 300M Galaxy S models with most using Qualcom chipsets. That means if you subtract Smausng from Qualcom as a buyer, Qualcom likely lost about 60% of its production of chips. If you add every phone maker who uses Qualcom too, they don't sell anywhere near as many phones as Samsung. Then add the Note and that nearly 80M+ more devices with at least 1/2 using SnapDragon.

Samsung was forced to not use the SD. If production is going in March, Samsung is announcing the S6 in March. Can Qualcom rap up enough ships to meet the demand of so many phones in such short time?

Maybe later models of the S6 will have the 810. MAYBE!!!

posted on 05 Feb 2015, 18:10 1

25. Venkatramanan (Posts: 308; Member since: 15 Aug 2014)


I appreciate Samsung's decision of going with Exynos. They need to supply their SoC to other OEMs too like Sony is supplying their Camera sensor to other OEM. At present Exynos only has the potential to put an end to Qualcomm monopoly.

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