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Samsung's Nexus Prime tipped again today, this time a PowerVR GPU gets in the mix

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Samsung's Nexus Prime tipped again today, this time a PowerVR GPU gets in the mix
The conflicting leaks about the upcoming Nexus Prime handset made by Samsung are starting to look borderline hype-generating deliberate. After we got a rumor earlier today about a 5MP camera and TI OMAP system chip, now we get a different story from the guys that were sent an actual picture of the device showing the HD screen resolution, that was posted on the same day that Apple was to announce the new iPhone 4S - by accident, we know.

Our hearts stay with this latest leak, though, allegedly coming from a guy inside Google, and not only because the first source broke a nutty story the other day about Sprint getting an iPhone 5 exclusively. It's rather since the latest rumor brings back to the Nexus Prime the beloved dual-core 1.5GHz processor (vs 1.2GHz in the earlier claim today), the 8MP camera with improved sensor (vs 5MP), 2050mAh battery (vs 1750mAh), and on top of that injects a new spec piece - the guy had tipped it will have an Imagination Technologies GPU.

Just a refresher - Imagination Technologies' PowerVR family of mobile graphics subsystems are the best ones on the market, and powered last year's finest - the Samsung Galaxy S and the iPhone 4, then Samsung split ways and went with ARM's default Mali-400 GPU for Exynos, while Apple went ahead and put the new PowerVR SGX543 MP2 GPU in the A5 chip of the iPhone 4S and the iPad 2. If the Nexus Prime indeed has such GPU back in a Samsung handset, then the only thing left to worry us is that these specs are too good to be true.

Samsung's Nexus Prime tipped again today, this time a PowerVR GPU gets in the mix
Moreover, the latest rumor pegs the Samsung-made beast to have an LTE radio again, but also sport that globetrotting GSM/CDMA chip that the iPhone 4S boasts. Now our head is spinning here. The thing is that, as far as we know, while a second generation 1.5GHz Samsung Exynos 4212 chip, and a combined slim and low-power LTE/GSM/CDMA baseband radios like Qualcomm's MDM8615 do exist, and are sampling with customers, they are supposed to go into handsets next year, not in something we'll see next week. 

Moreover, TI OMAP4460 has a PowerVR SGX540 GPU inside, and clocks in at 1.5GHz dual-core officially, which makes it a prime candidate for the latest leak, which, however, says "Samsung's own chipset". So, unless Samsung has quickly sampled Exynos 4212 for itself and it is with PowerVR graphics (unlikely, as it probably has Mali-T604), we'd have to call bonkers on the Exynos/PowerVR alleged combo, which leaves us TI again. 

Actually TI says "up to 1.5GHz" for the OMAP4460, so it might be clocked at 1.2GHz in one case (with the smaller battery), and at its 1.5GHz maximum in another, which takes care of the PowerVR GPU tidbit and the LTE part, since a TI chip has already been paired with an LTE modem in the Motorola DROID Bionic, for instance. 
 
What could split the Gordian knot here is if there are actually two versions with different clock frequencies, baseband radios and cameras in the same shell and with the same 4.6" HD Super AMOLED display - all the while one of them could be exclusive for Verizon, as rumored. And that chassis seems to be the kicker, with thin metal frame, curved HD screen and buttonless front - give us that, and we won't really be worried what combination (s) of dual-core SoC and baseband radio Samsung has used, the chips are all more than fast enough for any app thrown at them so far.

via GSMArena 

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posted on 06 Oct 2011, 17:40

1. Alantef (Posts: 287; Member since: 14 Sep 2011)


WHAT!!?

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:57

31. Shade (Posts: 7; Member since: 16 Feb 2011)


Hopefully this phone isn't exclusive to Verizon. While it would make some sense, considering VZW passed up on the GSII (even though I could see an earlier release for VZW being more probable.) It wouldn't make sense for the official Google-branded phone, who has shown no carrier favoritism, would make this phone exclusive to only VZW.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:59

32. tuminatr (Posts: 693; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)


thought I read Verizon did not pay for the exclusive

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 20:31

59. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


It is supposed to be exclusive to Verizon for a limited time only, than it's going I think to atliest AT@T if not others. But since they all got there galaxy 2 on all other carriers I wouldn't expect it to be fast move. That also could be where later models might get a different chip inside but I am just guessing on that part.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 21:03

70. bobnnate (Posts: 25; Member since: 28 Aug 2011)


its not necessarily exclusive, just for a little bit.then other carriers can have it

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 20:34 4

60. remixfa (Posts: 14169; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


your welcome.. i linked it to em a while ago :) of course, it was already all over the forums.. lol

Lets say none of the rumors are right... and when are they ever.. so lets mix and match what would be realistic...

a nexus is top of the line hardware or an introduction to new hardware if some is availible
so 1.2ghz is OUT.

its going to be 1.5ghz.

Im going to bet the farm and say samsung wants to showcase 100% samsung hardware in the superphone, so its going to be the second gen exynos 1.5ghz processor.
An OMAP would only be used in either a VZW only exclusive version to get LTE connectivity, or because the exynos 4212 chip wasnt ready for prime time. Reports however, say it is.

As far as the GPU goes, returning to the powerVR would be great, but the current GPU is no slouch either. Im going to guess its going to be the current gpu for availability sake, not the powerVR.

The camera is 8mpx. Non tech geeks would never understand why a 5mpx is better than an 8mpx even it it had some new fantastic hardware that made it the most awesome camera ever. Save the confusion, its an 8mpx.

so..

1.5ghz exynos 4212 chip
no powerVR GPU
8mpx camera
LTE version MAY be powered by 1.5 OMAP chip, but unlikely.

thats my guess.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:30

78. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Nice post remixfa. Completely agree that both specs sheets are most likely wrong (for the VZW version arriving within a month anyhow).

I am trying to keep reasonable expectations, but I have a hard time believing iBGR would get the inside scoop on this Google/Samsung beast. My instincts scream CALCULATED MISDIRECTION. GSM Arena's specs, however, sound too good to be true.

I think Samsung will capitalize on *pple's misstep and release a phone that has shocking specs. I think in part they'll do this by feeding misinformation about said specs, to keep expectations reasonable and avoid any part of the debacle we witnessed on 4 Oct.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 22:42

79. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


After all, VZW passed up on THE phone of 2011 for this.. so my starting point is the SGS2, and up from there. Some of iBGRs specs barely match the SGS2, and could even be considered less. I may be wrong of course, but I just don't see that happening.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 23:12

80. remixfa (Posts: 14169; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no, i completely agree. Why would u pass up on the fastest and highest selling android phone of the year, unless the one you were passing it up for was so much better it was worth it? VZW didnt get to be a big guy because it made a ton of bad decisions.

And there has yet to be a nexus phone that hasnt either ushered in brand new tech like the nexus1, or been the best of the best of the tech at the time like the nexusS. BGR's wannabe specs are neither. I think GSM arena's specs are a little over the top though.

At least they didnt claim quad core and 16 mpx camera..lol

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 23:28

81. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Right? Haha.

I think my gameplan is to force myself into believing the spec list from iBGR.. Kellex from droid-life has been in adamant agreement with it since its leak. Again, instincts are screaming to the contrary, but best to not expect the world.

A VZW Nexus with those specs will be BOSS.

...Tuesday can't friggin' get here soon enough!! :s

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 17:40 3

2. Shangri-La (Posts: 50; Member since: 04 Oct 2011)


This is pure awesomeness, pure pwnage.


http://nexusprimer.tumblr.com/

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 17:43

4. Allday28 (Posts: 274; Member since: 19 Nov 2010)


Thats not actually the phone.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 17:51 5

6. Shangri-La (Posts: 50; Member since: 04 Oct 2011)


And you know because....?

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:54

47. Synack (Posts: 669; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


Even if that ISN'T the phone, it looks DAMN good.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 20:36

62. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


I don't know it really looks like the one that is in that teaser video earlier. The side view looks identical. That really looks like the droid prime. I keen it even says nexus prime on top. Why would you think otherwise. It all fits the description. Well except the fact that for a LTE phone that is kinda to skinny

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 17:41 1

3. Penny (Posts: 1265; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


Probably best to wait for the official specs to be released at this point...

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 17:49

5. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


what worries me is that they wont be able to price this thing under 400. those specs are unreal. i hope this is all true.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 17:55

8. Corpsemaker (Posts: 63; Member since: 10 Jul 2010)


It will be $300 on a 2 year contract.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:14

12. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


ahh, good old reliable corpsemaker.


wait. who the f--- are you?

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:24 1

16. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


The bionic is 300 on contract and this is so much more then that. 400 + at least if these specs are true. Unless it is subsidized like crazy.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:49

25. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


It may be but if priced well it may sell liked hot cakes

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:52 1

28. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


i think the 300 entry point is inflated. that price always drops after a couple months. there is def a good deal of hope for this to be 300.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:03

34. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Verizon will put it that way ,and you are lucky I'll probaly have to pay 600-700 for it, lucky I get a 25% of my plan for bringing my device in and changing my number.. .. another reason why I want google voice in here

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:06

37. roldefol (Posts: 3182; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I think people are still getting used to the new $300 "top of the line" price Verizon slapped on the Charge and Bionic. As good as this phone is - as much better of a device this looks than those two phones - I don't think Verizon wants to scare customers away. It'll be $300, and the Charge will drop in price.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 20:35

61. remixfa (Posts: 14169; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its not going to be 400+ on contract, noone would buy it. The bionic is over priced like crazy. I would expect it in the 200-300 range though on VZW since you are going to PAY for that LTE connectivity. and the 200 range after rebate on tmo/sprint/ect.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 20:44

63. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


All 4g phones are priced at 300 dollars at the beginning. It depends on how much memory is in it like the iphone. It's kinda turning out to be a iPhone but kicker if that last picture I saw is real

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 17:55

7. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


cant wait in till the 11th to see the monster come out of its cave

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 17:55 6

9. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


trow in the Gorilla Glass... and I even agree is a monster of a phone... for a Samsung.. that is...

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:11

11. Alantef (Posts: 287; Member since: 14 Sep 2011)


lol said that a month ago....it should have it

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:23 1

15. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


The specs are unreal on this thing.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:51

27. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Yes yes they are, more reason to doubt ,this phone will be used as a base standart for app development, it won't be a hyper beast

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:41

21. bolaG (Posts: 468; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)


yup yup gorilla FTW

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:01 1

10. Dobro (unregistered)


This phone sounds good, but I am not impressed by many things that say "Samsung" on them.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:59 1

51. Synack (Posts: 669; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


Samsung makes the BEST Android phones without a doubt. Moto HTC and others don't even come close. Not only is the screen fanf**kingtastic but Touchwiz4 is amazing. And that's just the SGS2. Imagine Super AMOLED HD 720p + ICS + Pure Google Launcher. The only thing I may be concerned about is since it's not TouchWiz, I wonder if it'll get a decent dropdown menu with decent toggles like WiFi, Data, GPS, etc.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:15

13. yougotkilled1 (Posts: 167; Member since: 27 Apr 2011)


We all know about rumors. Sounds really good, but we'll see if they are true when it's made official.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:21 3

14. GALAXY-S (Posts: 701; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


Have to see to believe!

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:31

17. Jt (unregistered)


Im either going to get this phone or the iphone 4s I just want a phone with excellent display make calls and text. take photos and video and operates smooth with a excellent battery. I still have the Motorola driod for Verizon and I have had to replace it 3 times

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:01 1

33. ledbetterp3 (Posts: 467; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)


All you need for what you do is just the iphone 4s, if you just want a cheaper phone, but you'd have a much better experience with this phone, and its more worth the price, and i f you are on a budget id recommend at least a different android phone rather than the iphone...

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:34 1

18. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Hmm. The plot thickens like a good cheese sauce.

posted on 07 Oct 2011, 06:58

84. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


yes, almost ready

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:36

19. Jt (unregistered)


Is curved glass better than the diplay on the iphone4s and the SGII?

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 20:00

53. Synack (Posts: 669; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


Gorilla glass + SAMOLED HD 720p. A billion times better.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:41

20. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Hmmmmm.

posted on 08 Oct 2011, 19:19

87. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


Is that an "interested" hmmm

or

"Another POS" hmmm

?

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:41

22. Jt (unregistered)


I dont want a plastic feel to a phone especially on the screen I like glass i like the iphone4 glass but never had a iphone before. I like android but just been having alot of problems with my adroid phone so i may swtich to iphone but not sure yet

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:04 1

35. ledbetterp3 (Posts: 467; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)


that is because you have the original droid, it is an older phone now, they already made multiple successors to it, if you liek the way the droid is you should get a bionic or the droid 3

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:13

39. biggles (Posts: 213; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)


WTF are you talking about plastic feel on the screen? I've tried a number of Android phones and they feel no different than the iPhone. Not sure what the knock on Samsung is. My Charge feels solid and after a short while, anyone else's phone feels like a lead brick: unnecessarily heavy. There's no benefit to that.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:43

23. Jt (unregistered)


Well it should be very exciting to see what this phone has to offer on Oct11

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:46

24. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I'll wait and see... I care more about the os for now, talk about completely different leaks but Tuesday is really close.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:51

26. Dave Fl (unregistered)


Samsung better be careful. As Apple hopefully learned, allowing rumors and speculation to run wild will cause the actual specs on release to be a great dissapointment from people, myself included, who then expected a rocket pack that could let me tour in near earth orbit. Companies better do some rumor control rather than instigating or they end up being bad mouthed. That being said, i need a bigger screen than my 3GS, so i'm hoping this Prime comes to ATT. Not waiting any more for Apple, cause as they say fool me once...

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:54

29. willardcw4 (Posts: 169; Member since: 01 Oct 2011)


That seems like what they were doing with the GSMArena info... after BGR placed that report than ran all morning, someone at Google went "hmmm, they are way off..." and then leaked the info that is now 'updated'. So it seems a bit logical that these specs are MORE accurate.. but who the hell knows... It could be pink plastic and bake cookies for us and not even make calls...

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 18:54

30. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Rumor control can't exist, and someone said it was the time for the release that feed Apples rumor cauge

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 20:03

55. Synack (Posts: 669; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


Dave, the Nexus Prime is coming to ALL carriers. Verizon first though, according to rumors.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:05

36. iPWN (unregistered)


If you don't have an iPhone... Well... You really don't have an iPhone.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:13

38. readingthissh1t (Posts: 303; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)


and thats a good thing because it gives you the option to wait for this beast of a phone

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:15

41. biggles (Posts: 213; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)


Fixed it for you and the rest of the sheep...

"If you don't have an iPhone 4s... Well... You really don't have an iPhone."

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:29

43. iPWN (unregistered)


Sorry to hear that you don't have an iPhone.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 20:03 2

56. Synack (Posts: 669; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


Glad to hear that you guys and I don't have iPhones. Any smart person would wait a few days for the Nexus.

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:13

40. WakaFlakaD (Posts: 372; Member since: 30 Apr 2011)


Super phone of 2011? iPhone 4S was not too impressive. Let's see how this one goes

posted on 06 Oct 2011, 19:22

42. Tony T. (unregistered)


I'm thinking about switching from Android to Iphone 4s. I've had a Samsung Fascinate, Motorola Droid X and Droid 2 Global and major problems with all of them. The Gingerbread update made the Droid X unusable--my LED message light stopped working, e-mail would not download, reboots and freezes, the Samsung never could deliver my e-mail in a timely manner, even after the "bug fixes" and downloading different mail apps from the market. Similar problems with the Droid 2.

I am really on the fence about this, I do see the value of Android but not one of these devices ever worked as advertised. I do like a physical keyboard so I may wait for an Android phone with one, or jump to Iphone.

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