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Samsung argues Galaxy Nexus had too “minuscule” sales to be a threat to Apple

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Samsung argues Galaxy Nexus had too “minuscule” sales to be a threat to Apple
If we were a phone company, we wouldn’t be so happy to declare our device has minuscule sales. But when it comes to patent fights Samsung is quick to point out that its Galaxy Nexus couldn’t have harmed Apple in any way since it had “minuscule” sales. Samsung lawyer Jonh Quinn brought the argument of low Galaxy Nexus sales in the other legal battle the two companies are fighting, where Apple sues the Galaxy Nexus of infringing Apple's "universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system" patent with the Universal Search function.

Now, it doesn’t make any sense to fight a patent dispute with the argument of “but it doesn’t sell well,” but context is what really matters. The Samsung lawyer response about the “minuscule” sales came after Apple lawyer Mark Perry stated that the Galaxy Nexus "was the top of the line, Cadillac phone they trotted out to compete with the iPhone." Samsung definitely doesn’t feel that way about the Nexus, and this was clear in its lawyer’s statement. The true iPhone competitor in sales is clearly the Galaxy S III, or Galaxy S II if we look back one year.

Samsung also said it sold only $250 million worth of the Galaxy Nexus in the first two quarters of the year, while Apple grossed $16.2 billion on iPhones in the last quarter alone.

So basically, now Samsung is arguing that the court should overturn its order for Samsung to stop selling the Nexus in the United States because it is not a direct competitor to the iPhone. How do you feel about the logic of those statements and having the Galaxy Nexus on sale?

source: Bloomberg

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posted on 21 Aug 2012, 03:38 13

1. frydaexiii (Posts: 1239; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


*Facepalm*Uhhhh...Samsung, I love you and all but really your arguments are really...what's the word? Have some pride and dignity and stand up for what you believe! If the Nexus isn't a copy of the iPhone, why bother to tell the court that it didn't hurt iPhone sales? That's like saying "Yeah, we copied, but the copy didn't sell well so no harm done."

Then again, this is court...American court, where crap doesn't make sense in the first place.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 03:42 11

3. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


yup, but their point is somehow like:

Apple only attacks those that threaten it's sales --- in a way that Apple will look like the one making childish decisions.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 05:15 6

12. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


Exactly.
Nexus: Curved glass, LTE, Android 4.0 with NO skin, (NOTHING like iOS) faster processor, more RAM, essentially better than any iPhone.

How does that copy the iPhone in any way?!

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 07:19 5

15. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


if you make a basic 2D drawing of it... its a rounded rectangle! they have a patent for that. lol.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 14:44 2

18. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


Actually, if you make a 2D drawing of it, spin around and get dizzy, then squint REALLY hard, it kinda looks somewhat similar to an iPhone.
Smh, Google. Unacceptable.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 03:39 6

2. Sniggly (Posts: 7183; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


That's what happens when you put a phone on only one carrier, make it 300 dollars, and never update it.

Thanks Verizon.

I would venture that the Nexus phones by themselves have never been great sellers compared to the branded phones. They're more like concept cars than anything else. They show possibilities but aren't meant to be the d**k punching monster selling market share dominating ass kickers that phones like the Galaxy S, Razr and One lines are supposed to be.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 03:46 6

4. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


but the international unlocked one is... a beast! Still a flagship phone even after the S III and One X was announced. I bet the Gnex can still compete with the iPhone 5.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 03:48 4

5. Sniggly (Posts: 7183; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


The unlocked version is a HELL of a deal. Only two flaws are no LTE and no expandable memory (16 gigs ain't enough.) But 350 dollars for a fast phone with a nice design and really quick updates? Yeah, I'd take it if I had the money right now.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 03:59 2

6. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


Agree, and I don't really need LTE anyway.
--- and there aren't any Nexus with expandable memory...

I'm really excited for the next Nexus!

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 04:03 3

7. Sniggly (Posts: 7183; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Right, but the Verizon version comes with 32 gigs, which would be enough.

I want to see what the next Nexus brings as well. I hope Google blasts the doors off expectations.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 15:51

19. SkOne (Posts: 87; Member since: 02 May 2012)


actually the nexus one had expandable memory

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 04:07

8. MeoCao (unregistered)


Well, Nexus will never be a big success with SS or HTC b-c those companies will hold back key technologies for their own phones that come after. Compare Galaxy Nexus screen with GS3 and you see my point.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 04:32

9. xtian1103 (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


i thought the galaxy nexus with it's blazing fast processor and ICS onboard is the topnotch android phone and sold way more than the iphone based on android fans claiming it to be last december?

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 04:42 4

10. Sniggly (Posts: 7183; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I don't think anyone ever claimed that the iPhone was outsold by the Nexus. The Nexus is BETTER than the iPhone, but was never a strong seller.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 05:02

11. MeoCao (unregistered)


We can never come to agreement in this b-c difference in values.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 07:19 1

14. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


can you find a single comment to back that up?

I think I remember someone saying that it was the top selling android phone on VZW for a quarter, but not much more than that.

The only phones that have ever come close to iphone size sales are the galaxy line, which is why Apple is trying to litigate samsung to death.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 06:43 1

13. roscuthiii (Posts: 1873; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Verbiage like "universal" or "in a [insert type here] system" should be left out of patent filings. Seriously, how do you not get more overly broad than "universal"?
Even "system" is open to interpretation if someone wants to argue the point.
Retrieving information in a computer system is something computers have been doing since computers were invented. It's one of their main damn functions.
Patents should be about specifics, not generalities.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 08:26 1

16. sp3llv3xit (Posts: 20; Member since: 15 Sep 2011)


In 10 years time or so, the word universal will be synonymous with apple. Unless, another company turns it into cider.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 13:34

17. AppleWho (banned) (Posts: 57; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)


This trial is a joke.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 23:03

20. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6740; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


EXACTLY my point. Apple doesn't want anyone else makes more money than them which is selfish of APPLE

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