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Rumor: Fear of overheating leads Samsung to dump Snapdragon 810 for next flagship

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Rumor: Fear of overheating leads Samsung to dump Snapdragon 810 for next flagship
Amid fears that the Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 chip is prone to overheating, a rumor has been making the rounds suggesting that Samsung is dropping the chip from use in the Samsung Galaxy S6. According to a report published on Thursday, Samsung will use its own Exynos chip, produced using the 14nm process, as a replacement.

Some familiar with Sammy's intentions, say that at first, 80% to 90% of Samsung Galaxy S6 models will be powered by the Exynos chip while the remaining 10% will use the Snapdragon 810. Then, as Qualcomm fixes the overheating issue, Samsung will raise the percentage of Galaxy S6 units powered by the Snapdragon 810.

The Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 is mass produced by TSMC using its 20nm process. The latter is now expected to start using its 16nm FinFET process in July. With the 14nm Exynos chips expected to be used inside the Samsung Galaxy S6, it suggests that Samsung will start using the 14nm FinFET technology this quarter.

We expect to see the Samsung Galaxy S6 unveiled at MWC in March. The latest rumors say that there will be a version with a unibody metal design and another model with a curved screen. At the same time, a round smartwatch from Samsung is also expected to see the light of day at MWC.

source: DigiTimes

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posted on 14 Jan 2015, 23:44 11

1. Techfriend (Posts: 32; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


Good decision sammy !!

posted on 14 Jan 2015, 23:54 5

5. Kishin (Posts: 704; Member since: 30 May 2013)


Very good decision it should have always been this way.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 00:26 3

12. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)


If Samsung's own chips are so great, why haven't they gone with them already world wide? To me, it looks like this solution is less than ideal for Samsung.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 01:04 4

14. Kishin (Posts: 704; Member since: 30 May 2013)


Samsung develops faster than Qualcomm, samsung is all about staying up to date.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 14:18

41. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


Samsung doesn't develop anything.

The cores inside all Exynos chips are designed by ARM itself and are licensed by ARM to Samsung for use in their SoC's.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 01:53 1

17. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


A few reasons, they already get too many orders from Apple and other manufacturers that they can't justify putting the resources into them when they can buy bulk and save themselves the trouble by going with Qualcomm. Two, you follow the developers. If more games , apps, and websites are optimized for Qualcomm chips, then you use Qualcomm chips.

Unless of course they have major overheating issues. Then you spend the resources and hope the developers optimize for Exynos this year instead of for the 810.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 06:04

28. alex3run (Posts: 710; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Everyone knows how "better" everything is optimized for Qualcomm. Almost every game or app is running slower on Qualcomm than on Exynos or Tegra.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 02:29 4

25. jos_031 (Posts: 60; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)


There is a perfectly good reason. The qualcomm is having the best radio integration among any chip... even so praised apple and exynos could not match it's efficiency and performance.. This is more noticeable when using LTE frequency

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 02:39

26. tedkord (Posts: 9949; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Because so much of their fab capacity is taken up by Apple and others. They can't make enough to supply others and the millions of phones they sell. And selling to the other buyers is more profitable.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 14:28

42. Dr.Hye (Posts: 93; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


The exynos version are international and the snapdragon is within the US. So yes thay have been using it already.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 00:01

7. dimas (Posts: 1823; Member since: 22 Jul 2014)


Agree. 805 chip is already great. Not all people are techie and many still use their phones without noticing the difference from older models. But Sammy, your touchwiz still sucks, even my 65 year old mother can see the difference when she's using an iPhone 5s so please fix it.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 00:20 7

10. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)


Did you even read the article or at least the headline? Your comment does not fit at all to the subject at hand.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 00:24

11. dimas (Posts: 1823; Member since: 22 Jul 2014)


Yes I read the article. It's about HTC using 805 chips because Sony don't allow Oppo to use their 4000mah battery.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 01:31 6

15. dTone (Posts: 69; Member since: 09 Jan 2015)


You've misspelled your name, should be"dumas"

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 01:57 1

18. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3218; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


very good for use the 14nm chip will be less power consuming and faster i just hope it still has all the 810 features wifi to tower switch no drop. ect

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 02:04

19. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3218; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


us or user sorry not use

posted on 14 Jan 2015, 23:46 1

2. JMartin22 (Posts: 1889; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)


That's good news then. As they are supplying components for both their in-house smartphone and Apple, I expect Galaxy S6 units to be especially scarce if this rumor holds any water.

posted on 14 Jan 2015, 23:46 1

3. rd_nest (Posts: 1578; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


Original source:

http://blogs.barrons.com/asiastocks/2015/01/07/tsmc-jp-morgan-sees-little-downside-from-qualcomms-snapdragon-delay/

"Based on our research and press reports, QCOM’s new 64-bit Snapdragon 615 and 810 chips are suffering from overheating issues. These issues surfaced in December, especially for the 810, but appear to be persisting. The issues for the Snapdragon 810 (20nm-based) and 615 (28nm-based) appear to be slightly different, according to our research. For the Snapdragon 810, a flagship chip for use in high-end models, we believe the issues are related to the implementation of new 64-bit ARM cores (A57), which is causing overheating when accelerating above 1.2-1.4 GHz frequencies, which is a major limitation for a flagship phone."

"We believe fixing the issues with the 810 will require the redesign of a few metal layers of the chip, which could push out the schedule by about three months, by our calculations (one month for prototyping and design fix and two additional months for completing the metal mask layers in final production). This would mean that high-volume availability of this chip would be likely only from mid-2Q15, at the earliest."

"We believe SEC is highly likely to adopt its in-house AP (Exynos) and modem for >90% of its Galaxy S6 model (launching in February), a big departure from previous years, when it used Snapdragon for >70% of the volume (see our recent report on the Samsung supply chain). This would be negative for TSMC in 2Q15 and would hurt 20nm utilization somewhat in 2Q15, in our view."

posted on 14 Jan 2015, 23:51 3

4. amasog (Posts: 338; Member since: 22 Aug 2013)


Forget overheating samsung!!

give the gullible fandroids what they want - an SD810 chip powered phone for bragging and gimmick! then couple that with UHD screen and 16GB RAM. sure the fandroids will rejoice.

- Laggy LG G3 User

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 02:23 6

23. mixedfish (Posts: 1144; Member since: 17 Nov 2013)


...Just admit it, you can't afford any phone can you.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 13:42

40. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


LG G3 is hardly affordable. Its full priced.

And it does lag. For reasons above your technical ability to understand.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 23:00

47. iushnt (Posts: 1484; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)


Should have waited for note 4 bro..u can't blame the whole ecosystem for one device..

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 00:01 1

6. deanylev (Posts: 195; Member since: 11 Mar 2014)


Fantastic, the newer Exynos chips are great. The 5433/7420 (same chip, Sammy changed the name) has the same cores as the S810 anyway, and has a dedicated audio chip and some other goodies. In benchmarks it smashes 805, so the Note 4 basically has a 810 and an 805 version. A higher clocked, 14nm version of the 5433/7420 would smash the 810 in terms of audio, performance and battery life.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 10:55 1

34. j2001m (Posts: 2758; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Sorry to say mate but the 5433 is now called 7410, the 7420 is a new cpu not used before on a phone, I have also said for months that Samsung will use the new 7420 on all phones on launch on the gs6 phones due to 810 problmes

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 00:11 4

8. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Saw this coming.

Kudos Samsung for not eating a lemon.

14nm, nice.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 00:16 5

9. JMartin22 (Posts: 1889; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)


Hopefully to accompany that energy efficient chip, they also use an even more energy efficient AMOLED panel, this way we have killer battery life all around.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 02:10

21. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3218; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


4K Ultra HD, OLED, Nano Crystals display on phone higher nits and contrast major power saver ahhhhhhh i dream

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 09:25

32. amasog (Posts: 338; Member since: 22 Aug 2013)


Where do you need that?

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 00:41

13. Cyagocaliz (unregistered)


Yeah, Sammy! Just keep using Snapdragon S4 Play because you are not worthy of Snapdragon 810 :)

Wait, wanna hear another reason why Samsung shouldn't use Snapdragon 810? Because It is reserved for SONY XPERIA Z4!!!!!

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 02:04 1

20. TheWeasel (Posts: 401; Member since: 26 Dec 2014)


If that is truly the case, how interesting, then, that LG's G Flex 2 is getting the 810 first. I suppose they must have beaten out Sony on this so-called reservation.

Also, your comments grow increasingly irritating. You may want to do something about them, lest you be branded a fanboy.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 03:12

27. UglyFrank (Posts: 1553; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)


G Flex is proably a limited release

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 11:00

35. j2001m (Posts: 2758; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


100% they are making limited numbers and they was also sayings the phone lags like crap on a 1080p screen

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 16:04

46. TheWeasel (Posts: 401; Member since: 26 Dec 2014)


I am not sure exactly what that has to do with my comment.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 02:11 3

22. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3218; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


yup the last sony phone to be made

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 01:48 7

16. thegeneral7010 (Posts: 315; Member since: 10 Dec 2014)


as an exynos note 4 user i can say that in my opinion exynos 7 octa(5433) is really derserving to be the best processor of the year and this is not the first sammy's processor to beat qualcomm exynos 5430 was also better than SD801

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 02:24

24. mixedfish (Posts: 1144; Member since: 17 Nov 2013)


And yet no one uses it for good reason, play with your benchmarks all you want.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 07:11 1

29. Zack_2014 (Posts: 366; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Well nobody said it's benchmark that Exynos chips only win at.
The exynos was better at real world UI performance as well as battery life.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 08:43 1

30. thegeneral7010 (Posts: 315; Member since: 10 Dec 2014)


its not about benchmark its about experience there is no doubt that its better than SD805 and i inssure u that the 14nm processor in s6 will be much better and iam also sure that its gonna be better than SD810 exynos started to lead qualcomm they only need support from gaming companies. if there is one problem in exynos note4 it's that the touch wiz smetimes gives small lag and i think this is due to QHD display and iam also sure that the same thing s present in SD805.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 11:02

36. j2001m (Posts: 2758; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


It lags more on the 805

posted on 17 Jan 2015, 21:11

51. nicholaaaas (Posts: 1; Member since: 17 Jan 2015)


Um... you forgot about the k1

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 08:44

31. tokuzumi (Posts: 880; Member since: 27 Aug 2009)


Samsung should just use the same chip in all the S6 phones. They are just going to run into the same thing that happened on the S3....the exynos variant never received the 4.4 update, while the snapdragon version did. But they will just make 5 versions of the same phone, like they have done with the past 3 generations, and make more work for themselves.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 11:16 1

37. j2001m (Posts: 2758; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Got crap all to do with it, the 1st ve of gs3 with exynos only had 1gb of ram the 2nd ver with lte modem but the same cpu had 2 gb and that got updated, I.e. Ram problem only, the 1st gen ver lag bad on the software it uses I be thinking there was no easy upgrade for them

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 14:29

43. elitewolverine (Posts: 5018; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Why would there be a ram problem? 4.4 was supposidly designed for 512 and 1gb phones....

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 15:36

45. UglyFrank (Posts: 1553; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)


Yeah but they have added features so not to detract from the experience

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 23:12

48. iushnt (Posts: 1484; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)


R u familiar with this industry..?? U r getting too serious with that 512 mb thing

posted on 16 Jan 2015, 01:39

50. elitewolverine (Posts: 5018; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Oh I am all to well, i have to deal with android all day as a job. Point in case, kitkat was made to work with low end devices, so that should not be an excuse. And detract from the experience? I would think not, if that was the case, android would close the system up and stop laggy features that make sub 200$ phones grumble some, and make things like the G3 stutter at times, even if its at the home screen.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 10:36

33. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)


I was just wondering what ever happened to octa-core processor?

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 11:17

38. j2001m (Posts: 2758; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Sorry not getting you, they both octa core

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 13:21

39. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


Whats the difference?

Nvidia, Samsung, Qualcomm, Mediatek (and everyone else) are using the same ARM cores and configurations in 2015, instead of doing anything remotely custom.

Off-the-shelf crap is the same no matter who you get it from.

posted on 15 Jan 2015, 14:31

44. elitewolverine (Posts: 5018; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


its how its implemented that matters, while using hte same cores, that does not mean the designs are remotely the same when it comes to the actual soc, of the soc the core takes up probably 40% of that space.

posted on 16 Jan 2015, 01:17

49. HSN87 (Posts: 109; Member since: 09 Jan 2015)


"TSMC: JP Morgan Sees Little Downside From Qualcomm’s Snapdragon Delay"

J.P. Morgan is most worried that Samsung Electronics (005930.KS/SSNLF) will ditch TSMC in its chip production for the Galaxy S6 and go in-house because of the delay:

We believe SEC is highly likely to adopt its in-house AP (Exynos) and modem for >90% of its Galaxy S6 model (launching in February), a big departure from previous years, when it used Snapdragon for >70% of the volume (see our recent report on the Samsung supply chain). This would be negative for TSMC in 2Q15 and would hurt 20nm utilization somewhat in 2Q15, in our view.

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