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Qualcomm late 2015 roadmap leaks out: 14nm FinFet Snapdragon 820 surfaces, 'Taipan' Krait successor due

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Qualcomm late 2015 roadmap leaks out: 14nm FinFet Snapdragon 820 surfaces, 'Taipan' Krait successor due

Qualcomm’s roadmap for the second half of 2015 seems to have leaked out in its entirety, a leak revealing many juicy details about what the best devices of 2015 could run on.

The star of the H2 2015 show is the successor to the current Snapdragon 810 system chip: the Snapdragon 820. Alleged specifications for the upcoming system chip show two key advancements: a quick transition to 14nm FinFet manufacturing at Samsung and GlobalFoundries fabs, and the roll-out of what seems like the first custom Qualcomm 64-bit CPU cores under the Taipan architecture.

Qualcomm has dominated the market in the past three years with its Snapdragon chips featuring Krait CPU cores found in most major flagships, but the need for a quick transition to 64-bit chips coincided with the end of life for Krait, forcing the company to release the Snapdragon 810 without its own custom core (which was simply not ready). The Snapdragon 820 is expected to feature an octa-core setup with eight TS2 high-performance cores. It’s impressive that Qualcomm might be ready to iterate on the 810 so quickly and bring us a fully custom core in the second half of 2015 when we expect to see the new Samsung Galaxy Note 5, and other late-year stars.

The transition to 14nm FinFet is also hugely important as it will bring solid improvements in performance and efficiency. Interestingly, we’re seeing Samsung and GlobalFoundries as the fabs of choice, and there’s no mention of TSMC at the moment.

Other Snapdragon 820 features include a new Adreno 530 GPU, support for the faster LPDDR4 RAM, as well as a advanced MDM9X55 LTE-A Cat.10 Qualcomm modem.

This, however, is not the only Snapdragon 8xx series chip planned for the second half of 2015. The other one carries the Snapdragon 815 name, and is again an octa-core design, but this time instead of eight TS2 cores there are four TS1 and four TS2 in a big.LITTLE configuration. The GPU of choice in the 815 is an Adreno 450, with the modem and RAM standard remaining the same MDM9X55 LTE-A Cat.10 modem and LPDDR4. The Snapdragon 815, however, will be manufactured on the 20nm node, a fact that might to have a lot to do with lower initial yields for the more advanced 14nm process.

Then, we’re moving onto mid-range territory with three solutions: the Snapdragon 620, 625, and 629. The Snapdragon 625 and 629 look identical: both are octa-core SoCs with Adreno 418 GPU, LPDDR4 RAM, a lower-class MDM9X45 LTE-A Cat.10 modem, all manufactured on 20nm HKMG Samsung/GF process. There are no details about whether we’ll see Qualcomm’s own core design here or a generic ARM Cortex solution. The Snapdragon 620, on its part, is a more affordable quad-core chip that is said to use Qualcomm Taipan cores running at between 2 and 2.5GHz. It will come with lesser-standard, LPDDR3 RAM, but for all else is nearly identical with the afore-mentioned Snapdragon 62x series: it will feature an Adreno 418 GPU and MDM9X45 LTE-A Cat.10 modem.

Finally, leaks reveal a Snapdragon 616 chip that is expected to come with eight ARM Cortex A53 cores running at between 1.8GHz and 2.2 Ghz, and sport an Adreno 408 graphics chip. This SoC comes with an LTE-A Cat. 6 modem and is made on a 28nm HKMG by Shanghai-basied Semiconductor Manufacturing International Company (SMIC) factory.

Finally, we should warn you that this leak originates from China, and this is no surprise given that many of the fabs Qualcomm depends on are there. It seems true to life (but a 14nm Snapdragon 820 could take more time to arrive to actual devices), but we cannot vouch for the authenticity of these leaked documents, so do take them with a grain of salt.

Qualcomm late 2015 roadmap leaks out: 14nm FinFet Snapdragon 820 surfaces, 'Taipan' Krait successor due

source: @leaksfly via GizmoChina

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posted on 20 Jan 2015, 07:44

1. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Damage control?

Impressive would have saw a '14 Q3 launch of the 810.

Not Q2 of '15, then a quick leak showing newest hopefuls.
That could do some extra harsh damage if not realized on time.
Got complacent and fell behind.

I prefer a QC soc over a Exynos but I think Exynos may just mop it up this year.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 07:51 1

3. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3718; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Exynos is quite capable of doing the same as SD, Alpha is the example.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 08:20 10

6. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)


Exynos is much better than Snapdragon.
Everyone wants a Exynos SOC with built in LTE.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 08:45 5

9. justsayit (Posts: 256; Member since: 09 May 2013)


but exynos phone usually doesnt has many dev to build rom(stable rom) for it

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 08:54 1

11. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)


True.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 09:47 9

20. tury694 (Posts: 167; Member since: 25 Aug 2014)


Exynos Gpu is trash. The Note 4 Exynos is behind the adreno 420 and Apple A8

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:00 5

21. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)


The adreno 330 578mhz does 158 gflops, times that by 1.3 and the adreno 420 should have somewhere near 205 gflops, times that by 1.4 (1.7 over 330 sd801 version) and get the 430 which does only 287.5 gflops. The Mali t760 does 326.4 gflops. The tegra k1 Kepler GPU does 365 gflops.
More like Adreno is trash kid.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:14 9

27. wargreymon (Posts: 712; Member since: 05 Nov 2013)


Comparing the Note 4 Snapdragon and Exynos versions the Snapdragon is ahead of the Exynos version in every graphics test. Exynos is ahead in CPU though.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:22 2

32. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)


That's because he GPU is clocked 100Hz lower, if it was on par it beats he Adreno. That's like not far. Its like a 10seconds delay or starting 10second faster when drag racing.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:33 10

37. wargreymon (Posts: 712; Member since: 05 Nov 2013)


But that is the frequency Samsung chose, like it or not. If Adreno 420 was clocked 100Hz faster it would also be much faster, but it isnt. Sure, it would be much better, but fact is, its not.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 14:53 2

83. tury694 (Posts: 167; Member since: 25 Aug 2014)


Boohoo no excuses. Lower performance is lower performance. Two devices with the same specs (Note 4) running different chips and one is better than the other, gpu wise. You lose pal, thanks for playing.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:35 1

107. Macready (Posts: 951; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


Not in real world tests. Rather the opposite. Google Asphalt 8 Note 4 Exynos.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 11:47 2

58. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Dude the bechmarks show the Adreno kills the Mali? Bro what are you smoking?

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 12:02 1

62. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Were you saying something!!!

P.S. the benchmarks difference are in the range of 5-10%. In short, not differentiable. And in some graphics benchmarks exynos is ahead too.

Also in CPU, the difference is more than 30%

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 12:58

77. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Dude like you can even tell the difference of this so called 30% difference... Who do you think you are Johnny #5? C'mon, let's be serious. In the GPU world 10% is noticeable. You don't need to be Johnny #5 to see that!

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lb0cu3zhrU1qcsb7zo1_400.jpg

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 13:08 2

78. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Ok. See this:

http://www.gamebench.net/blog/samsung-galaxy-note-4-beats-every-other-phone-asphalt-8

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 12:11 1

66. alaw.14 (Posts: 227; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)


Actually clocked at 600 mhz adreno 430 has 388 gflops.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 14:55 1

84. tury694 (Posts: 167; Member since: 25 Aug 2014)


No, you are wrong. Better cpu doesn't equal better gpu. Dev support for Exynos is trash too. Nice hypothetical numbers dude.

posted on 12 Feb 2015, 10:19

108. alwasih (Posts: 5; Member since: 12 Feb 2015)


The Mali t760mp16 does reach that level of gflops but that's not what's in the exynos 5433. The exynos 5433 actually has the Mali t760mp6 which is way less powerful than the adreno 420

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:02

22. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)


Well when its clocked 100hz lower than A420, it lacks, but when raised 100hz+, it kicks the Adreno.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 11:23 2

52. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


So why would Samsung underclocked then?

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 12:02 1

63. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Battery life.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 12:27

71. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


That just mean the A15 chip are horrible. Too power hungry to be good mobile chip and too weak to be desktop.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 12:55

76. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


The exynos uses a57 anyway. Your point?

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 15:27

86. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


If you don't understand the point then you should not be talking with the US grown-up. A57 has the same issue as the A15.

posted on 21 Jan 2015, 02:12

96. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Nope, the A57 is 300% more efficient than A15.

Also, the r2p4 and r3p3 cortex a15 didn't have this problem due to redesigned transistors. Add to that the 20 nm and 14 nm power saving and you've got an amazing design.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 11:42

56. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


That is like saying that car is only faster because it more Hp. That still don't change the fact it is still faster.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 12:05 2

64. yUlek (Posts: 48; Member since: 14 May 2014)


That's why games are lagging on Snapdragon powered devices and Exynos are lag free? Sorry, but I like second one better

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 15:28 2

87. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Name one?

posted on 21 Jan 2015, 03:37

101. yUlek (Posts: 48; Member since: 14 May 2014)


All GTAs, Sonic Dash etc

posted on 21 Jan 2015, 02:24

97. alex3run (Posts: 713; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Funny joke :D

Exynos handles EVERY game better ;)

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 12:15 4

68. neela_akaash (Posts: 1181; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


Snapdragon has more balanced architecture. More performance with less power consumption..

posted on 21 Jan 2015, 01:15 1

94. AsimSiddiq (Posts: 52; Member since: 20 Jan 2015)


Wrong I don't, Qualcomm are the best, the s810 has 388 GFlops please google it and do your research properly.

posted on 21 Jan 2015, 11:17

104. jos_031 (Posts: 60; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)


How about Radio efficiency and integration of Exynos. Qualcomm have upper hand. That is more important for a communication device. I used underclocked Snapdragon 800 powered device. clocked down to 1Ghz from 2.3Ghz

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 08:39

8. roldefol (Posts: 4242; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Yes, Qualcomm was caught flat-footed by the 64-bit revolution Apple jumpstarted. They've as much as admitted to it. So now that the competition is pushing out 64-bit chips, their proprietary tech was a year behind. And of course they will continue to use proprietary cores after the 810/808/610, because they need a competitive edge in both CPU and GPU.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 11:45 2

57. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Exynos' weakness is graphics. The Adreno 530 will be insanely BEAST! Qualcomm has graphics on lock-down!

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 12:25 1

70. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Is it going to out class Maxwell too?
Honestly asking, no sarcasm involved.
I haven't heard enough about this 530?
Shader race is on!

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 18:43

89. vipervoid123 (Posts: 163; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)


Shader race alrdy meaningless on the introduce of Maxwell.
If you didnt realize that.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 21:47

93. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


It may not be totally..I'm sure we know who'll win but didn't expect an actual competition GPU wise from QC.

posted on 21 Jan 2015, 02:27

98. alex3run (Posts: 713; Member since: 18 May 2014)


You must be smoking :D

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 13:09

79. thegeneral7010 (Posts: 398; Member since: 10 Dec 2014)


As an exynos note 4 user I can tell you that exynos 7 octa is the best processor in 2014 and I think that Samsung started to rule qualcomm since exynos 5430

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 19:46

91. cheetah2k (Posts: 1576; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


You'll always see delays in production of CPU/GPU products due to silicone yields. We've seen it time and time again with the likes of Intel and AMD.

I can understand why TSMC isn't being looked at for fab, Apple have them pretty much tied up exclusively - aside from the fact they've had worse issues with yields than everyone else combined, I wouldn't touch them either

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 07:50

2. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3718; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Wow!!! That's great.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 07:57

4. GeekMovement (Posts: 2156; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


Getting into octa-cores now, wow, I'll look forward to the Note 5!

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 08:08 2

5. iialparslan (Posts: 17; Member since: 13 Dec 2014)


F**king Super Fast Technology !!

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 08:32 2

7. Dude2014 (Posts: 439; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)


I think Apple iPhone 6S will be the first smartphone with 14nm A9 SoC. Or maybe Samsung Note 5 will come with Snapdragon 820 or 16nm Exynos before Apple.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 08:58 2

14. roldefol (Posts: 4242; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Qualcomm announces their next-gen chips about a year before they arrive in phones. I suspect they'll announce the 815 and 820 by March, but the 820 may not be ready until 1Q16. The 815 we could see by fall in the Note 5, since it's on a larger fab and is similar in execution to both the 810 and Exynos.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 08:52

10. ernanimachadoalvarenga (Posts: 6; Member since: 20 Apr 2014)


"The other one carries the Snapdragon 815 name, and is again an octa-core design, but this time instead of eight TS2 cores there are four TS1 and four TS2 in a big.LITTLE configuration"

Just like the Exynos...

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 08:56 1

12. vipervoid123 (Posts: 163; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)


TS2 and TS1 is custom core that makes the different ~

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 08:57 1

13. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)


That's right, it took them 2 tears to figure this out , and now they are using the big-little, while Samsung had this on their E5410. Qualcomm always 2years behind.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 09:12 2

16. roldefol (Posts: 4242; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Really only a year behind. Samsung has been using big.LITTLE architecture for a while now, but it didn't offer much advantage over a 2+ GHz quad Krait. I trust that Google selects what it views to be the state of the art for the Nexus program. Until this year, that has been Krait, which has powered the Nexus 4, 5, and 6.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:04

24. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)


Qualcomm still using and trusting on old A9 arm cortex, which is 3 years old. Lmao. Others are on A15, .

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:44 6

41. vuyonc (Posts: 1014; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)


Krait is A15-based. Qualcomm haven't used the A9 since 2012.

posted on 21 Jan 2015, 02:29

99. alex3run (Posts: 713; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Krait is a hybrid of A15 and A9.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 11:26

53. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Expected for the fact that it is not an A9 because QC use a custom design. The krait is still as fast as the A15. So arm design is behind the time.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:10

25. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)


Coming towards the Exynos 7 Octa, Samsung’s in house offering is no underdog when it comes to hardcore CPU and graphics performance. Featuring four Cortex A53 and four Cortex A57 cores, the Exynos 7 Octa is based on an all new ARMv8, 64 bit architecture. What this essentially means is that even though the higher clocked cores of the Exynos 7 (A57 cores with a frequency of 1.9 GHz) have an overall lower frequency when compared to the 2.7 GHz per core the Snapdragon 805 offers, the Exynos 7 still manages to take the ball when it comes to performance.
Here's the epic big joke: S805 runs at 2.7ghz and the Exynos runs at 2.0ghz and still beats the crap out if it. Even cheating didn't help snapdragon.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:21 3

31. roldefol (Posts: 4242; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Not sure where you get "beats the crap out of..." Yes, the the 805 runs much faster to keep up, but the point is that it keeps up. PA did a comparison of the Exynos 7 and 805 Note 4s and it was basically a wash. Exynos has the better CPU, but Adreno is the faster GPU. Neither tech is the best in that particular application, but the 64-bit capable Exynos is more future-proof.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:24

33. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)


Read post 22.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:39 5

38. roldefol (Posts: 4242; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Not sure what your point is. You use the clock speed argument against the SD 80x, but then turn around and use it to defend the Exynos. I don't care what the chipset is capable of, only what it actually does.

Unless your point is that Samsung downclocks the Exynos to avoid pissing off its SD-equipped owners.

posted on 20 Jan 2015, 10:20 1

30. ihatelife (Posts: 3; Member since: 20 Jan 2015)


"Took them 2 years to figure it out".

Ohhhoohohohohooo!! Then why in the world is Intel not doing big.LITTLE for it's chips!! They have been in chip making business business for over 20 years so they should have arrived at the conclusion eons ago!! Right??

Guess what?? Dividing stuff into TS1 and TS2 is easier on R&D resources, time and advertising!! It makes sense given the constraints they have. How do you think they are succeeding 810 and releasing their own architecture in less than a year?? Give them more time and remove the octa core craze and we'll be back to quad cores!!

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