Nokia Lumia 900 looking like a slim LTE device
1. mills0806 (Posts: 37; Member since: 13 Nov 2011)
I wonder how much the carriers will charge for this thing?
12. mills0806 (Posts: 37; Member since: 13 Nov 2011)
I also wonder what size battery they will put in this phone. Especially since it might have LTE, hopefully the phone will have a decent battery life.
20. Whodaboss (Posts: 176; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)
According towww.pocketnow.com they are reporting that GeekTechBlog that the Nokia 900 will be a 4.3" unit that looks exactly like the Lumia! I so hope this is true! And I hope it comes to TMO!
2. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Check Nokia's Facebook page, you'll see different colour mood tiles
3. baldilocks (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)
You can change the color of the tiles in settings.....
4. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
And a single core processor with low res display. WP7 is where manufacturers go to recycle their obsolete (unsold) Android handsets. What a smashing idea!
5. perfectalpha (Posts: 8; Member since: 11 Dec 2011)
I am sitting down right now (and work in the phone industry, so I get phones every 3 months) looking at the HTC Sensation and the HTC Radar; the Radar is CLEARLY a smoother device (with its single core processor). The screen resolution doesn't make a huge difference. It is only noticeable in browsing the web (text is crisper when zoomed out) or PERHAPS in watching a movie. If THAT is the make/break feature for you on a phone, you're a sad pup.
There is some tech that I like on the higher end Android devices (such as MHL, etc.), but other than that, as far as using a Phone, and having access to the data you know and enjoy, I firmly believe Windows Phone has Android beat. I have A LOT of Android phones, but I don't think I'd go back after using WP. You may wanna give it a try Droid Doug. ;-).
10. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
navigating the platform is beside the point. it's when i start a game when i'm instantly turned off. no WP runs games nearly as smooth as on my OMAP4 powered Droid 3. if this thing had a more powerful processor and it came to Verizon i would probably try to get it.
6. ChiX017 (Posts: 308; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
Yeah...and it still looks better than even the Nexus and flows better than aNY android phone out there...remember we only use high specs to see the difference but whats the point when a single core device performers better?
I use an LG Optimus 3D which has Dual Core & Dual memory yet the freakin deVice lags every blOOdy daY!
14. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
There was a great little article on PA that explains why WP7 and iOS will always be more smooth than android. When you swype around on WP7 or iOS, it STOPS everything else on the phone and give full resources to the swype. AKA, if your moving around on a web page, it will never ever ever finish loading until you leave it alone. On an Android device, swyping motions do not get any more priority than anything else. So the page will load just as fast if your moving the screen around or not. We call that multitasking.
The choice is up to the user which they find more desirable. Neither side should flame the other for that choice. Personally, i love WP7 and think it could be great with just a few more features. But I can not and will not give up true multitasking for a little better smoothness. I am personally more concerned with function than eye candy. Some people prefer the opposite.. which is why we get a choice in systems.
17. TGreg104 (Posts: 38; Member since: 14 Jun 2011)
Preach it man, preach it! Although no one will listen. Too concerned with specs. Idk don't judge a phone out until I get to physically mess around with it in the store.
19. Penny (Posts: 1652; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
The way multitasking is achieved on WP7 does have its advantages, and it's not just about eye candy. Having true multitasking is great, but it is also important to remember that this is on a device that is meant to be used on the go and not serve as a desktop replacement (at least not yet).
While multitasking in WP7, the phone only stores the last 6 windows/apps you opened. This means that if I opened an app a while ago, and then I opened 7 or 8 more apps after that, I would not be able to resume the first one from where I left off. However, I will be able to resume the last 6 from right where I left off if the app has been updated for Mango. I see this as a good thing because it limits the amount of resources open apps can take up, which ensures stable/smooth operation (note that this does not include music apps, which can always run in the background).
Also, prioritizing processes/tasks based on urgency is something that I would consider optimization. What it means is that the OS has been designed to perform the background functions, but execute what I'm doing right now first if it requires the resources, then continue with those background tasks. That's honestly an efficient way to do it.
Anywyay remix, I know you know about this kind of stuff and you are pretty objective, I just wanted to point out that there is a case to be made in favor optimized multitasking on mobile devices rather than true multitasking, at least right now.
24. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i dont disagree with you one bit penny. Android only keeps the last 6 open right now as it is.. but they arent just on a form of "pause" like ios and wp7 do, they are still running in the background at full force... for better or worse. Only apps where the dev was smart enough to put in an "autopause" when the app is minimized, does it actually stop, like in some games.
One day we will have phones that are strong enough to give us both worlds.. super smooth UI as well as true multitasking (im thinking 2nd half of the a15's shelf life at the earliest). At that point, android has a distint advantage. Its true multitasking is mature. They have worked out the vast majority of the "kinks" involved in such maneuvers. As we've seen with iOS5, when you implement some new really processor intense things to the OS, it comes with growing pains. Android has already had those pains, iOS and WP7 are going to go through them as well.. And that is going to make a lot of negative press one day.
Its all a choice. My classmate and I were having a similar discussion yesterday and he was asking me all about the differences between his iphone and my SGS1. In the end he broke it down as good as you can break it... "i made the right choice for me because i just want my phone to work when i want it to work, and dont care about a lot of the other stuff.. you want/need all the extra functionality so you go to android. We are both making trade-offs in our best interest". For a non "techie" I think it was a brilliant realization.
I enjoy our conversations, penny. Even if we dont always see eye to eye. but then again, who does all the time? :)
27. Penny (Posts: 1652; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
You're classmate was absolutely right. I make it known that I am a fan of WP7, but I never restrict my recommendations just to what I like because I know other options will work better for other people.
Back to the point, I am still not sure what is bad about WP7's multitasking. It's pretty much up to the developer of the app to determine how he/she wants it to function. For games and general apps, it normally pauses until you resume. For music, stopwatch, and other background apps, it will continue to run in the background regardless of how many apps you have opened afterward.
And yeah remix, these discussions are generally constructive and help me learn about the products and people's perceptions of the products. Always good to have some reasonable people to talk to on these boards.
29. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah as much as i would like to be able to recommend what phones and tablets i like all the time i really can't. there are discernible trade offs with all of the platforms today and some of those are more suited to certain people. i'm on a roll getting people to get Galaxy S IIs though. 2 of em now have T-Mobile Galaxy S IIs and 1 now has an Epic 4G Touch. ;D
28. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
it's a sound explanation on one side of things however Android devices have the speed and power now to truly multitask quite efficiently. in this generation of Android Smartphones i.e. higher clock frequencies, dual-core processors, dual-channel ram & etc there is a line drawn between certain devices with certain hardware in terms of platform smoothness, if you listen to the opinions and recommendations from people like remixfa and i that actually know our stuff you'll know just how absolutely yay or nay we are about certain processors, if you get Smartphones or Tablets with the ones we say yay to like the OMAP4 & Exynos then you'll have a generally smooth platform experience for being on an Android Smartphone. in the near future however that line will likely be forgotten because the raw power and platform optimization Android Smartphones are about to have will make true multitasking a snitch. in the here and now though should you want to decide between the trade offs between WP smoothness and Android multitasking there's a few things that need to be remembered, like iOS WP7.1-7.5 multitasks by keeping apps frozen in the background whereas Android runs all tasks in it's memory cache. powerful phones like the Galaxy S II and the Galaxy Nexus can accomplish this due to their immensely powerful hardware quite easily so if you were to ask me what would multitask more "efficiently" between a Galaxy S II and a Focus S i would say the Galaxy S II because it can juggle tasks and barely break a sweat and the Focus S can't walk and chew gum at the same time. now i'm not saying Microsoft's solution to multitasking is wrong here, it's definitely different and better suited for the platform and the hardware it's been running on. there are people like you that prefers pure platform smoothness BUT it's not a good enough trade off when there are Android devices as powerful as the Galaxy S II and the Galaxy Nexus that can do a whole lot more at one time and only give up a small amount of the smoothness found with the WP method of multitasking and then there are matters like supporting 1080p video recording, video playback, loading webpages, game performance and much more to consider so until Windows Phones become more powerful the trade offs just aren't there for them. i'm definitely rooting for WP though. i wouldn't mind freezing my apps in the background if i could just load things faster, not have to worry about streaming videos going out of sync and to be able to play more graphically extensive games more smoothly.
30. Penny (Posts: 1652; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
I only explained the process for WP7 because I don't have the same level of knowledge with Android, so yea I appreciate the explanation on that side of things.
There's no doubt that raw processing power with the CPU and GPU have an impact in areas outside of multitasking as well. WP7 phones right now will not run games or record 1080p video as well as their dual core counterparts, and that's not going to change until the specs are beefed up.
However, as I indicated in a separate comment (#27), what I'm really curious about here is why Android's true multitasking is more desirable than WP7's multitasking for a mobile platform. What exactly does it allow you to do that can't be done with WP7's multitasking, and what might be a real world situation in which this would be advantageous? Just curious because I'm not using an Android phone so I can't test this out myself.
31. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
buffering videos is the most common use for me not owning a 4G device but other than that i can't really say. it would probably be best to ask someone who has been on both sides of the fence a considerable amount of time.
32. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ok.. umm.. hmm.. ill try an example.
on android i can
start loading a page. go to a new window, load another.. hold the home key, flip to a movie i have playing, watch that for a second, get bored, flip over to text someone, flip to some game that was loading in the background that I can now play, flip back to those web pages which are now finished loading.. swype my finger all over the place, and basically just continue to do whatever i want, whenever i want without compromise from the system.
Its a much more PC like experience. For someone like me that needs/wants to constantly flip between things, its a necessity. for someone who doesnt do all that, you may never see the value in it. Like anything, its pure preference.
Until recently doing all that would have thrown up a FC error or bogged the system down to a halt. With the huge leaps we are taking in tech that is quickly becoming a problem of the past (unless you buy a cheap handset...so dont buy a cheap android handset.. lol). When the day comes and an android "dual core" phone is the lower end of the line (and that wont be very long from now) android will be powerful enough to do everything it has been trying to do from the begining... but with apple/wp7 "smoothness". At that point, it will no longer be a trade off. we may also start seeing apple and wp7 start figuring a way to move over to a live multitask as they start using stronger tech as well. We will see.
34. Penny (Posts: 1652; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
Alright, let me try to tackle this. Thank you for the example by the way.
On WP7 I can start loading a web page, open a new window and start loading another, go back to the first window and it's done loading. Hold the back button, go to a video I have playing (it will have automatically paused where I left off). Open my messenger, start texting someone. Hold the back button, go back to a game that I was playing (it automatically resumes from where I left off, didn't continue to load, but then again every game I have tried loads in less than a few seconds).
Basically, it seems like the biggest (and pretty much only) difference in the multitasking between these two platforms is that things continue to load in the background in Android. This would be beneficial if it took a while for everything to load, but at least for me everything loads pretty quickly anyway, which means that I don't have to pass time while letting something load. I do get what you guys are saying, but I would argue that things work quickly enough on this side of the fence that true multitasking isn't necessary at this point.
Anyway, I do plan to get some sort of Android device in the future. Not for my primary phone, but I want to have a few different devices to play with (tablet or something).
35. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol, yea, pretty much. :)
There are some rules and exceptions to the way iOS pauses and such though that android does not have, but for most people, they might not ever notice them.
they both have their drawbacks and upsides. Like anything, its up to the user to decide which they prefer more.
With me.. I want it now. :) I've been around these silly devices for too long. Funny enough, old school OS's like Windows 5 and 6 and pretty much anything that was considered a smartphone until the iphone came and muddied up the word, had multitasking. Its kind of a new thing that they dont.
7. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
Single core doesn't mean jack when it comes to wp7. I just upgraded from the first focus to a galaxy S 2 and I've noticed that the focus with it's first generation snapdragon was more fluid and overall smoother than this galaxy s2 is. A lot is to be said for for wp7. It's an amazing platform.it was just a tad too limited for me. But I have a feeling that will change eventually.
18. Penny (Posts: 1652; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
You wouldn't have called BS on it if you had actually used a WP7 phone before. All else aside, WP7 is undeniably smooth.
9. bbblader (Posts: 590; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
hope this doesnt sell only in the us i wanna buy one
13. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
As a tmo customer and hd7 user, I have no WP to upgrade to. All the possible upgrades are with ATT or will be going to ATT. Should I upgrade to ATT? CEO ATT threatening increased pricing. Don't know if good idea. Oh MS, why choose ATT?
15. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Tmo has plenty of WP7 phones on the way. I bet a buck they get their own version of the 900 or at least the 800.