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HTC One M9 surface temperature hits 132 degrees fahrenheit during benchmark test

Is the Snapdragon 810 behind the very hot surface temperature found on the HTC One M9?

Is the Snapdragon 810 behind the very hot surface temperature found on the HTC One M9?


HTC is hoping that its new flagship smartphone becomes hot, but not like this. A recent GFXBench benchmark test of the HTC One M9 found the device hitting a surface temperature of 132 degrees fahrenheit. Considering that other phones tested ran much cooler, we could deduce that something that was inside the HTC One M9 and not in the HTC One (M8), Apple iPhone 6 Plus, LG G3 and Samsung Galaxy Note 4 was the culprit. And that could be the Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 chipset which powers the HTC One M9, but not any of the other phones.

This would appear to be confirmation that the Snapdragon 810 is still suffering from the overheating issues that worried Samsung and consumers earlier this year. Still, LG said in January that the chip was one of the least overheating processors, and the chip powers the LG G Flex 2 and the upcoming LG G4. Last month, we reported on a test that showed the Snapdragon 810 running cooler than the Snapdragon 801.

While the HTC One M9 got so hot that you could fry an egg on the back of the unit, the other phones recorded much lower temperatures. For example, the Apple iPhone 6 hit 103 degrees fahrenheit and the HTC One (M8) moved the mercury to 102 degrees. At 100 degrees, the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ran the coolest of all the phones tested. The LG G3 was the second hottest handset reaching a temperature of 108 degrees.

Keep in mind that the version of the HTC One M9 tested was running pre-release software, which could have muddied the results. Another thing to consider is that the Snapdragon 810 powered LG G Flex 2 hasn't had any reported overheating problems.

source: Tweakers (translated) via XDA

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posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:21 12

1. sram145 (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Dec 2014)


wow. The mobile is really smoking hot.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 15:05 42

20. ghaniosman (Posts: 78; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)


but one thing for sure note 4 is the COOLEST of all..

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 17:13 1

58. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 12979; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Well the note 4 isn't so hot.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 17:23 4

62. hohoho (Posts: 65; Member since: 12 Dec 2014)


hurrr

posted on 17 Mar 2015, 03:22

95. Sidewinder (Posts: 429; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)


The glass is half empty.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 15:08 1

22. waddup121 (unregistered)


First thing I may need to do after getting this phone
1. Root
2. Get a Custom ROM/Kernel
3. Undervolt the sh*t out of it.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 15:25 21

27. hassoups (Posts: 473; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)


Which would essentially make you stupid for not just buying the m8.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 16:04 4

40. ghaniosman (Posts: 78; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)


looks like Iron Man has destroyed all the Extremis but one..

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 16:28

44. hassoups (Posts: 473; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)


what's an Extremis?

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 17:04

55. engineer-1701d (unregistered)


he means enemies

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 17:28 5

63. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2890; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


He means Extremis, a group of villains who tried to replicate the super serum which ended up in them overheating and sometimes exploding.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 18:51

77. lyndon420 (Posts: 4373; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Never watched Iron Man 3 obviously.

posted on 17 Mar 2015, 03:19

93. ghaniosman (Posts: 78; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)


dude the only way to understand is to watch the movie.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 16:38 12

48. AnTuTu (Posts: 1580; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)


Note 4 doesn't even give a damn hahahaha

Well done Sammy :)

posted on 17 Mar 2015, 06:36

96. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2183; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


You're kidding, right? The aluminum bodied phones should have a higher surface temperature because that means the aluminum is doing its job: superior heat dissipation. The One M9 is still way too hot. The plastic Note 4 is keeping a bunch of heat in, as is the G3, because plastic is a poor heat conductor. While two of the aluminum phones are doing their job, the G3, Note 4, and M9 are just cooking their internal components.

posted on 17 Mar 2015, 08:46 1

98. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3724; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


Cooking their internal components? Seriously? That must explain why I keep seeing all those charred Note 4s & G3s out there. Sad state of affairs.

posted on 17 Mar 2015, 09:00

100. sgodsell (Posts: 3631; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


You have got to be kidding. The iPhone 6 plus shown here has a little metal shield over its CPU. Then there is another metal shield covering the components and battery. Then comes the aluminum case. All to protect the Apples dual core 1.4 GHz CPU. Which is only running at 1.4 GHz. Yet the note 4 which not only does it run faster in real world and offers things like real multitasking and multi-window. Its physically running at 1.9 GHz with an octa core CPU. The note 4 also has 3 times the ram. So is there heat, sure there is, but the heat sink covering Samsung's board is also large and doing its job as well. And yet the Note 4 is running faster and doing more then that single tasking 1.4 GHz dual core CPU. Anything running at that speed should be able to run cool. I am surprised Apples CPU is running that hot at only 1.4 GHz with only 1 GB of ram.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 18:01

69. Simona (unregistered)


PPL
What did I tell you few weeks back ???
Huawei and MediaTek are the BEST ??
AND they WILL PREVAIL !!!
Huawei THINKS !

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 18:56

78. guest (Posts: 338; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)


Naw Intel will prevail.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 20:58

85. Mutation.X (banned) (Posts: 185; Member since: 09 Feb 2015)


What's the big deal? My Note4 Exynos reaches 150, overclocked and overclocked voltages. So what? I'm enjoying much better performance than standard locked crappy. Playing games and multitasking at extreme levels. I don't even bother touching there Cpu and Gpu are, which are on the top.

posted on 17 Mar 2015, 08:48

99. alex3run (Posts: 713; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Don't mix CPU temperature with body temperature.

My Galaxy Note 4 which is Exynos too doesn't reach 50 degrees Celsius even during very high and long lasting load. Doubt that the test in the article was very long.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:22 20

2. _Bone_ (Posts: 2154; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


"Another thing to consider is that the Snapdragon 810 powered LG G Flex 2 hasn't had any reported overheating problems" - cause it throttles and stutters all over the place, if those reports are to believed.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 15:22 2

24. Awalker (Posts: 1498; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


I read the review of the Flex 2 on the Verge website. They said the phone does fine with gaming and things of that nature but lags and stutters on simple tasks. They think it has more to do with LG's software than the processor.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 15:26 4

28. medtxa (Posts: 1133; Member since: 02 Jun 2014)


its simple:
SD 810 + metal body= performance and bad battery life,
SD 810 + plastic body= less performance and less bad battery life.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 15:41 1

34. Awalker (Posts: 1498; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


I'm not sure you understood my comment. The reviewer said the phone performs fine when doing CPU intensive tasks but stuggles with simple ones. This has more to do with software than anything else. I'm also not sure how you came to your battery life conclusions.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 16:28

45. medtxa (Posts: 1133; Member since: 02 Jun 2014)


Yeah I understood your comment, I still post it anyway. My conclusions came from the logic that SD 810 throttle when it's too hot hence can't achieve the peak performance, metal body can save more heat than plastic, allow the SD 810 to maintain the performance longer and reach higher performance peak. The battery depleted faster if the processor can maintain the high performance longer. see..

posted on 17 Mar 2015, 06:38

97. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2183; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Aluminum dissipates more heat than plastic. Plastic just holds the heat in, cooking your internals. Aluminum is far superior to plastic in regard to thermal properties.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 16:29 4

46. TAMARETTE (Posts: 182; Member since: 15 Jun 2014)


The Verge also gave the LG G Flex 2 a 7.7 score because of its lagginess.
The reviewer there makes the assumption that the lag is caused by software, but low benchmarks seem to point otherwise. Pocketnow's review of the G Flex 2 states outright that the lagginess is caused by thermal throttling. The reviewer there also states that games become laggy if any other program is running in the background.

There were instances of the HTC One M9 failing to complete benchmarks because of overheating at MWC so I would be careful about blanket statements like "this has more to do with software than anything else".

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 17:34

64. Awalker (Posts: 1498; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


Even if the benchmarks were low which they aren't, there are plenty of phones with mediocre specs that can run smoothly. The laginess in the UI is a result of poor optimization by LG. It'll be reaffirmed once reviews of the M9 come out. I didn't see any lag in video demonstrations of that phone. It appeared to me that the M9 was a little bit more responsive than the S6.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 17:40 6

65. TAMARETTE (Posts: 182; Member since: 15 Jun 2014)


If that is the case, which is debatable, then HTC are clearly NOT the gods of software that some believe them to be. I'm really SHOCKED that the M9 appears to be more responsive to you. Just kidding, of course it does. How do you account for the HTC M9 failing to finish benchmarks at MWC? I've got to hear this. LOL

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 18:12

72. Awalker (Posts: 1498; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


If that's true it could be result of the software not being final; benchmarks being ran multiple times on the phone in a short period; a bad unit; or the phone was having throttling issues. In any case, I'll wait for the reviews to come out that show real world usage and not these unique extreme scenarios.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 15:34 4

31. Macready (Posts: 952; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


A couple of consecutive benchmarks make the Flex 2 throttle down to about half the speed. That happens for a reason.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 16:15

41. Awalker (Posts: 1498; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


This is the first time I'm hearing anything like that. Android Central did a review of the Korean model and included the Antutu benchmark score for an initial run and the score after three runs. The score took a 13% hit. For comparison sake, the G3 also took a 13% hit and the Note 4 took a 5% hit.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 16:38 1

49. medtxa (Posts: 1133; Member since: 02 Jun 2014)


Pretty obvious that it throttles bad. Only 5% from SD 805 with QHD?

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 17:14

59. Awalker (Posts: 1498; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


13 percent is not bad at all unless your playing high end games.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 17:51 2

67. Macready (Posts: 952; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


David Ruddock was the first to report throttling, running 9 consecutive Geekbench (which is a pretty short test) runs:
Single/multi core
1. 1215 / 3683
2. 1112 / 3249
3. 895 / 2931
4. 672 / 2414
5. 692 / 2465
6. 675 / 2421
7. 663 / 2356
8. 617 / 2263
9. 558 / 2065

The single core performance dropped to less than half.

GSMarena noticed drops after the first run too, amounting to a 20% performance hit. And a really warm phone during gaming, let alone benchmarks.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 18:36

73. Awalker (Posts: 1498; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


Did this David Ruddock fellow run tests on other phones to establish a baseline for what a "normal" drop should be?

GSMarena got 20% hit after the first run, Android Central got a 13% hit after the third. In either case and even if the case of the test being ran 9 times the phone should be able to perform well as long as you're not running any high end games.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 19:08 1

81. Macready (Posts: 952; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/02/18/lg-g-flex2-review-practical-less-interesting/
"The other thing to note is that LG has consistently released phones that regularly engage in some level of throttling behavior. The G3, while it doesn't throttle as heavily or often as the G Flex 2, does experience a pretty consistent 15-25% drop in single core CPU performance if you run Geekbench 3 ten or fifteen times. The G Flex 2, by comparison, sees more like a 50-60% drop after so many runs, and by then is actually benchmarking substantially lower than the already-throttled Snapdragon 801 chip, instead yielding scores more like a Snapdragon 615 (I have a 615 device, and it will throw out the same scores basically all day with maybe a 10-15% variation)."

There you have it. Rather sad if LG's current top end phone would perform worse playing high end games for a while, than older and lower tier phones. Who are those high end games for then?

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 19:59

83. Awalker (Posts: 1498; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


He has a pretty big disclaimer stating that LG is working on a firmware update to address performance issues before the phone is released in major markets. And he doesn't say anything about the phone performing worse with high end games than any other phone. He mentions one benchmark which is not indicative of real world use.

I'm not sure who high end games are for. I buy phones with the latest specs but I don't play any high end games. That's probably why I don't care about benchmarks. I'm more concerned with how a phone gets around its UI. It should perform fast and smooth.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 20:03

84. Macready (Posts: 952; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


At this point, all that power is only really useful for high end gaming to begin with. Midrange phones can do everything high end phones can, smooth and fast, other than the above.

As for fixes, expect HTC to say something similar too, after this sh!tstorm. I'm not expecting magic from either (just a different balance between hot+drain vs slower).
The SD810 pattern is pretty consistent sofar, minus one exception (with Qualcomm being the source and using a testbed with the surface area of a tablet, the thickness of several phones and unknown cooling).

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 22:14

86. Awalker (Posts: 1498; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


People are trying to get the phone to behave in a manner that's consistent with their belief that the SD 810 overheats. I've never heard of anyone running benchmark tests 9 times in a row until now. There's no practical reason to do so unless you're trying to get a certain result.

The website that ran the benchmarks which made the M9 overheat said there was no mechanism in place for the phone to shut down. That's because the the software is not final. A phone should never get that hot.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 15:23 1

25. medtxa (Posts: 1133; Member since: 02 Jun 2014)


Because metal can save more heat to take from the crap of 810, it temperatures become that high, while LG just throttles...

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:23 5

3. TheWolfpacker (Posts: 44; Member since: 25 Feb 2014)


Sorry, forgot to take my mixtape off it :P

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:25 5

4. Scott93274 (Posts: 4607; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)


Awesome! I love fried eggs!

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:26 10

5. Biernot (unregistered)


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posted on 16 Mar 2015, 15:46 6

36. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3724; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


You just won the internet today, sir. Excellent! +1!

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:29 1

6. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Bookmarked ;)

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:31 6

7. MrET1 (Posts: 110; Member since: 29 Jan 2015)


In the review they did all the benchmarks twice, once under normal circumstances and once while the phone was in the freezer.
Quite funny to see how much of a difference it makes in the benchmarks scores; for example in AndEBench native the M9 in the freezer scores 19053 points and in during the non cooled benchmark it got 13759 points. Thats a 38% less performance thanks to throttling. Also in 3D mark Ice storm the non cooled M9 gets almost 10% less performance so even the Adrenno 430 seems to be throttling.

By the way this is review is made by tweakers.net which is about as proffessional as anandtech.com so this is serious.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:34

8. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1116; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


One funny thing that everyone is ignoring is that the max temperature they could get was 42ºC but connected the charger and started running benchmarks and games to make it arrive to that 55ºC

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:40 7

9. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1116; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Nevermind, misread. S810 is a flaming(literally) turd after all.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:43 1

10. MrET1 (Posts: 110; Member since: 29 Jan 2015)


Well, it's written in my native language (dutch) and what I read is that in normal usage the M9 gets hotter than the other phones, but it's no big deal untill you start playing 3D games or benchmarks that is when it starts to heat up to and throttle. Connecting to the charger makes it throttle even worse.
Also they rate it only 3 out of 5 stars which is really low for a flagship. And they criticize the low amout of improvements over the M8

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 15:35 1

32. Macready (Posts: 952; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


Plus they noted that the screen calibration is much worse than on the M8 (way too cool for starters, no pun intended) and what's worse, the contrast is much lower too and viewing angles are worse, which is hardware related. They skimped on the screen this time around. Inexcusable at the flagship price and when you expect progress, not steps back.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 18:39

75. kevin91202 (Posts: 557; Member since: 08 Jun 2014)


Because HTC doesn't know how to properly build a phone. And, they blast Samsung? HTC is a joke of a company.

In other news, PA,can't, decide, how, many, commas, it, needs, in, its, articles.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:47 3

11. yash3339 (Posts: 2; Member since: 09 Sep 2014)


"Winter may be coming, but summer is here"

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:51 2

12. JMartin22 (Posts: 1969; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)


Anything running a Snapdragon 810 is going to suffer from performance issues and/or poor battery life from throttling throughout the course of its usage. The Galaxy S6 is shaping up to be the only viable contender until the end of the year.

That's what happens I guess when you rush to push an SoC with premature designing blueprinting. I hope they don't make this same mistake again 820 and their custom cores.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:51

13. Iodine (Posts: 1330; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)


And this is why the Apple A8 leads by a light year, when it comes to the most important aspect of mobile processors - The efficiency.

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 15:08 18

21. sipha (Posts: 434; Member since: 12 May 2012)


What are you talking about? 😕 ..The note 4 was the coolest!

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 16:49 8

50. ahomad (Posts: 175; Member since: 15 May 2012)


light year is a unit of length not time, just saying

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 18:06

70. tedkord (Posts: 11659; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


The only way the A8 world be a might year ahead of the SD805 would be if both suddenly turned a 180 and headed in the opposite direction. But even then, it would be leading for long, couple of minutes tips before it fell behind again

posted on 16 Mar 2015, 14:52 12

14. GeekMovement (Posts: 2156; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


Note 4 is just darn awesome.

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