Bloomberg: Samsung drops Snapdragon 810 from the Galaxy S6, will ship it with Exynos instead

Bloomberg: Samsung drops Snapdragon 810 from the Galaxy S6, will ship it with Exynos instead
Would you like some Exynos with this Galaxy S6? Now here is an interesting turn of events - Bloomberg is confirming this morning that Samsung has ditched Qualcomm whatsoever, and its next flagship, with all of its Edge, US carrier, and whatnot versions, will only be powered by the homegrown Exynos chipset, at least in the first batches. This will likely be the 7 Octa edition that is in the Note 4, but paired with Samsung's new LTE Cat. 9 radio. In short, the S6 will be as powerful and capable of 450 Mbps downlink speeds, as the Note 4 S-LTE that Samsung is about to unveil this week in Korea, to take advantage of SK Telecom's record fast new network there.

Bloomberg reports that Samsung has gotten weary of the random overheating problems that the TSMC foundry is facing with Qualcomm's Snapdragon 810 production, and, since it has superior production capabilities, decided to go with the latest Exynos for the S6. Who can blame it, considering that the company is having a brand new $15 billion factory built outside Seoul, which can churn Exynos chipsets in the tens of millions no sweat, which will be the likely sales numbers of a flagship Samsung phone, instead of relying on older production methods that on top of that TSMC hasn't apparently ironed out just yet. It's not the first time we are hearing that Samsung has given up on the unreliable supply of Snapdragon 810s, too.

Now, when it comes to what the differences are between Snapdragon 810 and Exynos 7 Octa, we'd have to wait and see exactly what modification Samsung has eventually used for the S6, but one thing is for certain - it will be built on the superior 14nm process, whereas Qualcomm uses 20nm for the 810, and only this year will move down to 14nm. In general this means less power consumption and smaller processor footprint and/or superior performance at comparable clock speeds, but Qualcomm has other aces up its Snapdragon chipset sleeve. 

One of the advantages used to be its excellent multiband LTE modems that it paired with the Snapdragon SoCs, but now that Samsung created an LTE Cat. 9 radio of its own, that point becomes somewhat moot - more so it will be built on 20nm, whereas Qualcomm's LTE radio is still at 28nm. As for the Snapdragon 810 optimization for 4K encoding, decoding and streaming - it remains to be seen how Exynos will fare with those, though we wouldn't worry too much about it, as Samsung's chips have proven capable enough so far.


source: Bloomberg

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Galaxy S6
  • Display 5.1" 1440 x 2560 pixels
  • Camera 16 MP / 5 MP front
  • Processor Samsung Exynos 7 Octa, Octa-core, 2100 MHz
  • Storage 128 GB
  • Battery 2550 mAh(23h 3G talk time)

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84 Comments

1. BobbyBuster

Posts: 854; Member since: Jan 13, 2015

They gonna regret this....

9. usermaxthon

Posts: 70; Member since: Jan 20, 2015

NO, they won't. Exynos had problem with overheating issues but now they pretty much solved it. No company has more experience with octa core processor than Samsung. From what i understand the main problem with Exynos is their relatively weak mali gpu. If they really build Exynos on the 14nm process i can guess they can overclock the gpu without major power consumption penalty. That's the benefit Samsung has over other companies, they don't need to rely on other companies for their parts. Vertical integration is Samsung's ace over other companies.

14. BobbyBuster

Posts: 854; Member since: Jan 13, 2015

We are talking about SoCs, NOT CPUs. Beside the far superior GPUs, QC's SoCs feature other MATURE IPs like the DSP and modem with comprehensive sets of highly optimized drivers/libraries which Sammy lacks at. I'd ALWAYS prefer a PC with proven components and powerful VGA over one with a CPU that questionably scores 5% higher in synthetic benchmarks and noname components plus crappy VGA with lackluster driver support.

33. rd_nest

Posts: 1656; Member since: Jun 06, 2010

How do you think the GPU is far superior? 760MP6 is about 10% behind 420. You can have a cluster of upto 16 cores. And at 14nm, you can push the frequency much higher than Qualcomm can. And do you just buy a brandname, even if that is overheating?

35. vincelongman

Posts: 5692; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Just wondering, why does the Exynos 7 have the T-760 Why not the T-860, it announced last year October Or maybe the T-860 wasn't ready for the S6, but will be in the Note 5

42. TyrionLannister unregistered

The t860 isn't ready yet. ARM announced that it would be ready around q3. Anyway, with 14 nm, they'll have enough die space and power consumption control that they can easily fit mp10. That would blow the adreno 430. Also, see this. Due to better OpenGL optimised architecture of Mali, the t760 mp6 performs much better than adreno 430 in real life games while maintaining better battery life: http://www.gamebench.net/blog/samsung-galaxy-note-4-beats-every-other-phone-asphalt-8

45. rd_nest

Posts: 1656; Member since: Jun 06, 2010

T860 not likely to be much different from T760, likely just more efficient. Maynot be worthwhile to again develop for this while they can easily optimize the T760 instead. Improving the drivers and increasing core count will likely produce a decent enough GPU to compete against Qualcomm. My 'guess' would be a MP8 running at around 700Mhz.

53. TyrionLannister unregistered

Yup, but with 14 nm, they can easily go MP10 and knock the sh*t out of adreno 430.

34. vincelongman

Posts: 5692; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

I prefer more competition Qualcomm was very very lazy last year, no question or argument The 801 was basically a higher clock 800 The 805 wasn't that much faster than the 801, main improvement was only the GPU, which still was half as powerful as the one in the K1 and A8X The 810 really should have been their flagship last year Samsung and hopefully a couple other OEMs using an Exynos will encourage Qualcomm, Apple, Nvidia to innovative more

61. tedkord

Posts: 17356; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

The latest Exynos SoCs have been faster than Qualcomm offerings. They have produced less heat (because they're faster but clocked lower). You simply hate Samsung, and HOPE they regret this. I was ambivalent on Samsung the last two years, but now that I've got the Note 4,I know firsthand they're capable of putting out the absolute best in the market.

76. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

Lol... What? Far superior QC has far superior GPU-s? Why almost all games then are played at lower framerates compared to Exynos? Qualcomm GPU-s are superior in benchmarks only.

77. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

Oh... A typo :)

83. PhenomFaz

Posts: 1236; Member since: Sep 26, 2012

Dude! You're missin the point. In PC i'm with ya all the way. But PCs are used for far superior purposes than Mobile (and we're talkin about high-end PCs here only). Now when it comes to Mobile...all what you say is valid but it doesn't matter to the consumer at the end of the day as these are advanced functions or an enthusiast's checklist, not a regular consumer. SD 810 has oberheating issues, and no one wnats that. Bad press and all especially with Samsung being the target of critics as its the top dog in the Android mrket. Plus Samsung is one company on the planet thatcan self-sustain in Mobile of they want to...I'm surprised they haven't focussed that much on their own OS with compatibility for Android. That would solve the UX problems aas well.

70. Settings

Posts: 2943; Member since: Jul 02, 2014

Yeah thats right. People dont really care. In real life they all are fast. The discussion above me just had numbers in them, geeks and nerds.

73. Gp_Customs

Posts: 269; Member since: Jan 14, 2015

Manufacturers like LG and HTC choose snapdragon rather than exynos is that 1.exynos lacks 4G modem as everybody knows. 2 . production rate of exynos is significantly less than snapdragon 3 . production costs increase if ones choose to use exynos 4.Samsung didn't provide kernel codes to developers 5.heating issues Therefore, if Samsung choose to use exynos rather than snapdragon on the international variant of note 4,Samsung should begin to produce them now. Furthermore, the profits from note 4 will be lowered. Lemme ask u a question, imagine u were a ceo of an entrepreneur, will u prefer more power less profits to less power more profits? Ps Please noted that Samsung's profit has been decreasing

2. Kruze

Posts: 1285; Member since: Dec 30, 2014

Snapdragon > Exynos

13. ciprian.ruse

Posts: 320; Member since: May 13, 2014

14nm>20nn ...and don't forget that exynos variants come with a dedicated,higher quality sound processor( Wolfson Microelectronics) which is amazing. BTW...why on earth would they ship their flagship with a overheating issue? Would you want a phone that overheats?

24. rockers123

Posts: 137; Member since: Sep 08, 2013

Not all the time, just check the Note 4 Exynos

56. lalalaman

Posts: 638; Member since: Aug 19, 2013

Yup, but exynos heats too much, but the reports say 810 is also overheating, so I'm neutral on this

50. Freecableguy

Posts: 42; Member since: Jul 21, 2014

You know repeating that doesnt make it true right?

3. HSN87

Posts: 109; Member since: Jan 09, 2015

"TSMC: JP Morgan Sees Little Downside From Qualcomm’s Snapdragon Delay" J.P. Morgan is most worried that Samsung Electronics (005930.KS/SSNLF) will ditch TSMC in its chip production for the Galaxy S6 and go in-house because of the delay: We believe SEC is highly likely to adopt its in-house AP (Exynos) and modem for >90% of its Galaxy S6 model (launching in February), a big departure from previous years, when it used Snapdragon for >70% of the volume (see our recent report on the Samsung supply chain). This would be negative for TSMC in 2Q15 and would hurt 20nm utilization somewhat in 2Q15, in our view.

66. guest

Posts: 372; Member since: Jun 13, 2012

Analysts don't know nothing.

4. Max_Boost

Posts: 101; Member since: Sep 22, 2012

Damn!

5. HSN87

Posts: 109; Member since: Jan 09, 2015

R.I.P Sammy :-(

62. tedkord

Posts: 17356; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Yep. Really Impressive Products.

71. HSN87

Posts: 109; Member since: Jan 09, 2015

Lol! Joker detected :-P

6. Loubielou

Posts: 603; Member since: Jul 11, 2012

Whats the Use of Releasing a phone that Overheats when you want it to be Succesful,Samsung will wait until the New 810 is sorted out and release another version of the Galaxy S6 later,If this is suppose to Project Zero and it Overheats,Samsung will really get Slagged down by the Critics one thing Samsung does not want or Deserve

7. Snake_x

Posts: 2; Member since: Jun 30, 2013

Then No more Update will come on Samsung Galaxy s6 :) Just like Exynos version of s5 still no Lollipop Update.. RIP Samsung

11. jan25

Posts: 470; Member since: Feb 26, 2012

Actually shipping the S6 with one model instead of two helps with the updates. Not a fan of Exynos though :(

37. vincelongman

Posts: 5692; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Isn't the main reason Exynos devices get updated slower and have less custom ROMs is because they are sold less

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