Apple's new chairman: "There is an arrogance" in the company
1. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 07:50 15 1
wow.. an iphone without an app store... is just a basic touch screen feature phone. That would not have been game changing at all. gotta say, that was a good call.. lol.
3. roldefol posted on 17 Nov 2011, 07:55 9 0
True true. The size and quality of the App Store is still one of the iPhone's biggest strengths. I can see Steve being so focused on a controlled iPhone experience that he would ignore the possibility of adding apps, but that tremendously helped make the phone what it is today.
That was one of Jobs' better traits - if someone made a great argument, he actually changed his mind.
106. seanjohnusa91 posted on 17 Nov 2011, 13:58 0 0
They said he was a proponent of the APP store but opposed the APPLE store...two different things.
4. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 08:29 0 7
I am not happy with the 'Post-Jobs' Apple.
8. JesterB posted on 17 Nov 2011, 08:49 4 1
the post jobs apple hasnt started yet. these are the last things jobs had his hands into. Apple is dropping the ball in general.
10. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 09:02 0 2
I just dont think it should be all about money. I guess that is life
5. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 08:30 5 0
Apple about to be just like IBM back in the day. Now its all about money.
11. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 09:04 8 3
now? exactly when wasnt it all about the money? lol
39. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:19 3 6
Read Steve's biography. It was never about the money for him.
134. htcisthebest posted on 17 Nov 2011, 16:07 5 1
@Taco: It was apparently about money for him. He's the one against donating money and setting up charity funds using the company's capital. In this perspective, I think Tim Cooks is a nicer CEO.
20. SlimSoulja86 posted on 17 Nov 2011, 10:40 7 1
If it was never about money, then why is iPhone so expensive.
29. deago78 posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:04 2 1
I assume you're american. 200$ is nothing for a mobile phone. In fact $600 unsubsidized is merely between middle and high for phone pricing.
93. nb2six posted on 17 Nov 2011, 13:15 1 0
Pardon the average consumer. They only see the activation price not the outright. Then they throw a tantrum when they drop it in the pool and cant get a new for the same price they paid.
6. JeffdaBeat posted on 17 Nov 2011, 08:33 5 1
Apple can be arrogant all they want as long as they don't go complacent. I don't expect them to go the way of Microsoft seeing as they want to separate themselves from that company as much as possible...but still. Keep finding ways to one up everyone else. Competition...
7. roldefol posted on 17 Nov 2011, 08:38 1 1
Apple still has more cachet than IBM could have ever dreamed of, especially among the young adults who can afford their products. Rumors of Apple's decline are greatly exaggerated.
9. JesterB posted on 17 Nov 2011, 09:00 3 3
I don't believe they will decline, but being in the phone market I can tell you that people are starting to realize there are some alternatives to Iphones.
13. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 09:08 5 4
they are already declining in the market as far as features go. They went from being a software leader to copying many of the features of their competitors to catch up. That doesnt mean they are declining in the sales market (before some auto-trolls start jumping on me). Google has long eclipsed them with actual OS software functionality and MS is about to do the same.
Hopefully under fresh eyes and leadership they will go back to finding ways to innovate and become competitive with software again. Maybe they will take a chance again. SJ was too conservative with his upgrade path.. trading chances for new big features for safe small incremental upgrades.
15. tacohunter posted on 17 Nov 2011, 09:56 3 4
You are talking mostly s**t. Y right thx to this article you have again a reason to summon apple's faults.
I don't know were you got all this information, I guess from a lot of forums. Well not everything that's said is true. For example qoute: copying many of the features of their competitors. Yes thank you to remind me about this. I've read it a hundred times on PA (the comments a lot).
Well didn't android copy some ios features, think, Even in ICS. Althought ICS looks awesome, so does apple.
And the arrogance of apple. Of course they are arrogant in some ways. But you can see this also in other companies that're becoming bigger and bigger.
18. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 10:36 2 5
can i ask you exactly what ICS copies from iOS?
it blatantly copies from WP7 with that people app, thats for sure, but i dont see a whole lot of iOS in ICS. I do see a lot of android 2.1 in iOS5 though.
And if u actually follow the conversation and read the whole comment
"They went from being a software leader to copying many of the features of their competitors to catch up"
"Hopefully under fresh eyes and leadership they will go back to finding ways to innovate and become competitive with software again"
I love being called out.. out of context.. by people that either do not read or understand the comment.
I comment on the good and bad of everything. Unlike some, i do not bind myself to any particular brand.
And I dont notice you calling me out when I say something nice about Apple... just when you "perceive" something as bad, even though its just an observation based on track record.
21. tacohunter posted on 17 Nov 2011, 10:44 2 2
They stole the arranging of your apps in folders from ios. Ofc you don't know this cause you don't use any apple device. Or you didn't saw the revealment of ICS.
And btw I'm not gonna comment on every detail about what you said. Unlike you I'm not on any thread here on PA. And yes I understand your comment completely but were do you got the information I still don't know.
26. Whateverman posted on 17 Nov 2011, 10:55 3 1
My old Blackberry Curve could arrange apps into folders, so they didn't steal the idea from Apple. And how did this become another flame war?
28. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:04 4 5
It became a flame war thanks to remix
109. Droid_X_Doug posted on 17 Nov 2011, 14:12 2 2
And you had no part to play in the flame war?
107. snowgator posted on 17 Nov 2011, 14:02 2 1
With the headline that PA ran, Whateverman, how could it NOT end up being a flame war? It gave ever Apple hater a chance to jump on them again, and ever Apple fan a chance to be offended. Of course it is a flame war. Over a 100 comments and counting. That is good for ad selling.
30. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:04 2 3
umm. you do realize that apple was the LAST one to have folders right? andoid had them way back at 1.6.
Thats your big thing? because now they can arrange tiles in the folder instead of it just auto-sorting itself???? wow.
Thats a much bigger deal than adding voice commands, multi tasking, drop down notifications, OTA syncing, cloud services and more..
how could i have ever been so crazy!? lol
if stating an opinion in a relevant fashion without a hint of scarchasm, fanboyism, or the like is "starting a flame war", then every thing everyone says is a flame war. quit trolling.
32. tacohunter posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:11 1 2
Never mind, you know that calling apple stole this, android stole that, samsung sued, etc all of this is childish.
43. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:26 2 3
Yea, it kind of is, which is why I had no intention in my original comment to do so.
35. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:15 4 5
Let's prove you wrong again
iPhone had cloud services through MobileMe before android was a product.
Original 2007 iPhone had multitasking before android existed. This whole thing with iPhone multitasking started in 2008 because Apple didn't let 3rd party apps multitask. Do you really think multitasking was androids idea? You do know that blackberry, windows and palm treo's multitasked too right?
You're trolling and starting flame wars because you constantly post the same stuff on Apple article's without any care for actual facts. Being proven wrong rarely slows you down.
44. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:28 6 5
wow.. really. next you will say they had MMS and 3G when the iphone launched too. Anything else? Can it communicate with aliens?
dude. do you ever get tired of trolling? Ever? I mean sometimes its funny because arguements like this that you make are beyond rediculous and wrong.. and i really dont understand how u actually believe some of the things u say..
but day in and day out.. it gets old.
46. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:32 3 5
Are you saying iPhone didn't have mobile me cloud services and multitasking? Please say yes so I can post links to prove you wrong.
Did you get the number of Sansung employees in the US btw?
I'm going to start compiling a list of all the things you're wrong about. It will be updated daily.
50. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:36 3 5
dude, if i wrote what you were wrong about, id never stop typing.
and yes, It did not have multitasking. multitasking is the ability to switch back n forth between ANY app in real time. It still doesnt have true multi tasking, just a work around.. but its better than nothing.
Honestly, i dont know what mobileME is, and dont really care. If thats the "tools" page that you tried to say was cloud services a few days ago, u need a re-education on cloud services.
Please, post the links troll.. go for it.
52. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:38 3 3
iPhone multitasking in 2007
55. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:42 2 3
what is that?
that is an article talking about someone saying that it has "multitasking"... and saying ". It isn't clear to me whether RIM or Nokia have true multitasking OSes on their smartphones, and I've used both quite extensively."
which im not sure about nokia as im not well versed in symbian, but RIM has had multitasking.. real multitasking for quite a while if not forever...and definately before that article was written.
Dude, if your going to present proof.. present proof, not some uninformed dude's blog post.
58. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:57 3 4
Before iOS 4, multitasking was limited to a selection of the applications Apple included on the devices.
Eat your words remix.
65. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 12:20 2 5
"Starting with iOS 4, on 3rd-generation and newer iOS devices, multitasking is supported through seven background APIs:"
(it took till iOS4 to get the list THIS big!!)
1)Background audio - application continues to run in the background as long as it is playing audio or video content
**yes, you could play music while surfing the web... but not while playing games.
2)Voice over IP - application is suspended when a phone call is not in progress
**doesnt work unless on a call.. and using a VoIP program..
3)Background location - application is notified of location changes
**Yes, the GPS keeps telling apple where you are without you telling it to.
**You can get email!
5)Local notifications - application schedules local notifications to be delivered at a predetermined time
**that is a long way of saying your "alarm" will alert you without you staring at it.
6)Task completion - application ask the system for extra time to complete a given task
**ever have a longer than usual time to close an app? there ya go.
7)Fast app switching - application does not execute any code and may be removed from memory at any time
**a quick kill/launch function.
Most of this is found on a feature phone... which is why most people that know anything about programing call the iphone a feature phone until recently.
Yup.. so, what exactly am i eating my words over?
Seriously taco, READ the article before u post.. lol.
71. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 12:29 3 3
Seriously I put the quote for you. I'll put it again.
"Before iOS 4, multitasking was limited to a selection of the applications Apple included on the devices."
You are the one that keeps saying iPhone copied cloud and multitasking. You are wrong stop saying it. I have once again proven you wrong. You have shown you're a fanboy and troll. When evidence is presented to you, you willfully ignore it and pretend its not true.
54. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:42 3 3
At the iPhone special event on October 4, 2011, Apple announced it would launch iCloud on October 12, 2011, to replace MobileMe for new users. MobileMe will continue to function until June 30, 2012
MobileMe is Apple's cloud service it offered on iPhone since 2008. Apple has offered cloud services since the year 2001.
59. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:58 2 5
"MobileMe integrates with various applications on the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. This includes iCal syncing with Calendar, Address Book syncing with Contacts, Mail syncing across devices"
**Do you know why it did this? Because the iphone did not natively support it at that time. They were making you pay $100 a year to get your exchange email synced. NOONE but apple makes u pay for basic exchange email. The only one that charges for email otherwise is RIM with their BES, but that comes with tons of internet security stuff hat exchange doesnt have.. and certainly not this basic syncing that mobileme is doing.
"In an internal e-mail sent to Apple employees on August 4, 2008, Jobs admitted that MobileMe was launched too hurriedly and “not up to Apple’s standards”. He wrote that “it was a mistake to launch MobileMe at the same time as iPhone 3G, iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store”.["
**dude, mobile me is the renaming of that stupid .imac tool website you tried to pawn off as "proof of apples cloud use" a week or so ago.
**And all mobile me did until they started getting ready for icloud in late 2010 was sync email, calendars, and notes.. and you have to pay $100 a year for that..
" A mid-2008 update to the control panel removed the ability to synchronize Outlook to MobileMe when Outlook is using Microsoft Exchange Server Calendars and Contacts. According to Apple Support, this is by design and is not a bug that will be fixed. There is no support for synchronizing even standalone Outlook Tasks and Notes to MobileMe."
**so not only do you have to pay for syncing which is free everywhere else, they removed the ability to see your exchange calendar and contacts... which was one of its biggest uses.
**Do you read these articles, or do u do like in the comments and read 2 lines and assume the rest??? Your not helping yourself. This is not cloud services, this is email sync... and a crappy one at that.
**If that is what u wanna call "cloud" services" than the first windows CE pocket PC was synced to the cloud back in what... 2001?? lol
63. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 12:05 3 3
The point here is that it is a cloud service. I'm not saying anything about its quality or pricing. You are blatantly wrong about Apple copying cloud services from android.
Don't try to take the argument everywhere. You were wrong again. Learn from it and move on.
69. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 12:26 1 3
lololol.. taco, your a trip. you know that.
Cloud services are a new thing. Noone is really copying from anyone.. they are all just starting out. We are at the birth of cloud services right now. The only thing I said is that Google beat them to the punch.
Email syncing is NOT a cloud service. lol
74. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 12:31 3 3
Is syncing contacts and calendar to the cloud cloud services?
Is google copying Apple by launching a book store and music store?
Get off your high horse. You're not very intelligent.
78. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 12:39 1 3
yes, they are copying iTunes for the most part.
I was wondering how long it would take you to figure that out with all your ranting. It has been a big part missing from the google ecosystem and one of iOS's last major unchallenged features.
your first actual point of the day. good lord.
61. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 12:01 3 2
Just like you. "I don't know and I don't care. I will just keep trolling"
Open the WIKIPEDIA links, read and educate yourself. You're wrong about this just like you were about Microsfts shares in Apple and Samsung emplueeing more people in the US than Apple.
70. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 12:28 1 3
i did.. i suggest you do the same. but since i figure that u cant, i copied snippits of those wikipedia articles to show you what u obviously didnt read, or was hoping i wouldnt.
you brought urself into the conversation and started nipping at my heels like always. until you came in with super-troll metality, it was just regular conversation in here. get a grip.
51. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:36 4 3
Excuse me MobileMe launched in July 2008
25. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 10:51 4 5
You post one ignorant comment after another. He's right to call you out. Android has taken a bunch of stuff from ios. Only a blind fanboy would deny that.
27. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:00 4 4
You never say anything nice about Apple. Where are you getting these quotes from?
34. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:14 1 4
yea, those quotes would be from ME.. try reading posts before you blindly comment.
Do you ever get tired of blindly attacking and trolling? You barking at my heels all day does get monotonous after a while.
37. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:15 3 3
You quote yourself in your own posts? What is the purpose of that?
36. iamcc posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:15 1 4
Dude, the quotes are from his post like three above the one you are replying to. You really don't read before you start arguing do you?
You are a dumb ass taco.
40. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:21 3 2
He's quoting himself. That's idiotic.
47. gallitoking posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:33 4 4
wow we have the biggest troll remix, but i doubt PA will do something about as he is favored by some PA members.... but he incited this flame war and he will leave unpunished... not cool PA... not cool....
53. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:38 1 5
please show me where i incited a flame war. Thanks.
Its amazing how trolls multiply around here. How the heck has taco turned this into a stupid taco-remix thread again.. uuuugh.
Its also funny that while taco was gone, gallito played a lot nicer. I used to not mind the constant nipping from taco until PA did us all a favor and gave us a vacation from him for a few days.. The quiet was so nice, I just cant wait till he gets a forced permanent vacation for constantly stepping over bounds. Hopefully they do it soon.
56. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 11:43 3 2
You will be the one on permanent vacation after you lose our bet.
60. remixfa posted on 17 Nov 2011, 12:00 2 3
i doubt that..
and at current rate, i doubt u will make it long enough to see the bet through.
67. gallitoking posted on 17 Nov 2011, 12:22 3 2
not even going to bother... you flat out denied everything... soo
87. Tre-Nitty posted on 17 Nov 2011, 13:07 3 0
What's with you. If you don't like apple, great but to comment on every apple story makes you sound like a undercover groupie. You clearly don't like Apple and hey that's your decision but don't try to act like your not over loyal to Google.
91. taco50 (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 13:10 3 1
Thank you remix won't admit this.
12. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 17 Nov 2011, 09:04 3 4
I will stand behind Apple till the end though.