Samsung patents elaborate dual camera module, circling the wagons for Note 8?

Samsung patents elaborate dual camera module, circling the wagons for Note 8?
We've been betting that the Note 8 may have a dual camera setup based on Samsung's investments in Core Photonics, and some more hints that we've already analyzed. Last week, when a couple of leaked schematics allegedly depicted a possible Note 8 design, there was no show or mention for what will be on the back of the device, but today a patent filing by Samsung in Korea sheds some light on the eventual dual camera module that Samsung is working on.

It depicts two sensor/lens combos, housed in a thin chassis, and says this can be used for collecting more photons to improve low-light performance, for 3D-mapping, and distance measurements. We ran the patent PDF you can download below through Google Translate, and there is a lot of talk about magnets, axis and lens alignments, so we might optical stabilization on those sensors, and perhaps even some sort of zooming solution. 

Samsung has been rumored to experiment with dual camera modules for a while now, but a recent tip indicated that it wasn't ready to produce those in the mass quantities required for sales in the range of the Galaxy S8 and S8+, so it's not hard to imagine that Samsung could eventually try its luck with the niche Note 8 phablet.


source: Kipris.or.kr (PDF) via GalaxyClub.nl

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Galaxy Note 8
  • Display 6.3" 1440 x 2960 pixels
  • Camera 12 MP / 8 MP front
  • Processor Qualcomm Snapdragon 835, Octa-core, 2350 MHz
  • Storage 64 GB + microSDXC
  • Battery 3300 mAh(22h talk time)

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34 Comments

1. zenun12

Posts: 205; Member since: Oct 31, 2016

Download a PDF through Google Translate? I think you mean Google Drive.

26. phonearenarocks

Posts: 606; Member since: Mar 26, 2015

Hahaha yeah, @PA makes us lol everyday with more than a single point, and here they even said Note 8 is a niche phablet. Epic lol.

34. Android_Lollipop

Posts: 155; Member since: May 05, 2015

We ran the patent PDF (you can download below) through Google Translate, and there is a lot of talk about magnets, axis and lens alignments The typist missed those braces :p

2. Mreveryphone

Posts: 1817; Member since: Apr 22, 2014

Finally... Dual sensors that serve a purpose other than just creating bokah shots...

14. maherk

Posts: 6770; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

LG's dual camera setup is still the best imo.

17. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

You mean the wide-angle stuff? Panorama does that just fine.

23. maherk

Posts: 6770; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

It's not even close.

30. AlikMalix unregistered

Maher, I kinda agree with Trojan. I compared the g6 to a panorama shot - same fisheye result but a little more convenient. Although I can do a much more wider sweep with panorama than wide angle on g6. I think the whole dual/multi camera setup is at its infancy - we'll have to see where this leads. So far I think (and it's just my opinion) fixed optical zoom on iPhone 7+ is the best use so far (I'm really being unbiased) - I want to see that improve with maybe further zoom than just 2x or have multi zoom levels. Bokeh effect is nice but it needs improvment still.

24. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

On the G5/G6? Are they capable of this: "says this can be used for collecting more photons to improve low-light performance, for 3D-mapping, and distance measurements" If so, then yeah, I agree. But last time I checked, that's only in their Tago-enabled phone with 4 rear cameras.

3. Supraman21

Posts: 467; Member since: Jun 09, 2010

Honestly what is so hard with putting a larger sensor in the phone instead of dual cameras? Stick a 1/1.7 inch sensor in the phone instead of all these gimmicks.

4. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

It's way harder to do a 1/1.7" sensor. You need way bigger lenses and thicker body.

5. Supraman21

Posts: 467; Member since: Jun 09, 2010

It's sad that many phone manufacturers think that we want super slim phones. Of course a sensor of that size will make a phone thicker but only marginally. That added thickness could then be used to increase the batterysize also but that means lower margins. That's my assumption with this thin phone craze. We aren't talking about a half inch thick. A sensor that size would add a couple of millimeter. Nothing crazy.

6. talon95

Posts: 994; Member since: Jul 31, 2012

I agree. But doubling the sensor size is a lot more than a few extra millimeters of sensor size. Pixels that are inherently noisy can be averages against the other sensor. It allows for 3D tracking, and the possibility to go RGB on one sensor and just 3x sized luminosity pixels on the other. If the S8 can do 1000 fps, then two sensors could alternate and achieve 2000 fps. Sure, make it a little thicker as well and further improve both of these sensors, but I like the dual sensor idea, as long as they don't implement it like Apple did for zoom.

9. Redspider97

Posts: 8; Member since: Mar 27, 2017

I'm not understanding why would someone want 1000 fps? The fastest I go is 60 and then in edit I bring it back down to 24p. Maybe I'm missing something what is the reason behind the 1000fps

18. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

"Maybe I'm missing something what is the reason behind the 1000fps" For super slow motion.

31. ph00ny

Posts: 2026; Member since: May 26, 2011

For sports/fast action captures. I bought a crappy casio camera for that feature way back in the days

10. AJAY75

Posts: 6; Member since: Apr 25, 2016

We DO want super slim phones. If you don't, you're in the minority by a long shot.

19. Supraman21

Posts: 467; Member since: Jun 09, 2010

Nope. People that want slim phones are in the minority. Check the comment section of every tech site and look at all the people with cases. They dont care about thinness.

21. jimjam unregistered

Slim phones so we can put cases on them to make them thick :D

13. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

A sensor that size would easily make the phone over 1.5 cm thick. Combine with huge screen size and congrats, you get a 400g brick.

15. Supraman21

Posts: 467; Member since: Jun 09, 2010

I never understood when reviews complain about phone weight. You can make a galaxy S7 out of pure aluminum and it still wouldn't be too heavy to hold. The heavier the better imho because it gives off a sense of quality.

16. tedkord

Posts: 17311; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Worrying about a "sense of quality" is why we're where we are today with phones. Instead of using the best material for the job, we use materials that are perceived as quality and require workarounds for signal, etc...

22. Supraman21

Posts: 467; Member since: Jun 09, 2010

I'm absolutely glad we are at where we are at today. My S3 was gross as hell and I was glad the HTC kickstarted the premium trend with Android. It was nice to have a phone that actually felt solid, didnt flex, didnt flake from the faux chrome chipped. Metal costs more in materials, cost more to machine, and lasts longer than plastic, hence it is more premium. I'm not paying $700 for a plastic phone. I also dont drop my phone so I dont care about plastic.

29. tedkord

Posts: 17311; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

To each his own. I own phones for their functionality, not their aesthetics. The aluminum of the iPhone 6 Plus bent easily, while the removable plastic backed Note 4 was more rigid, and didn't stay deformed.

20. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

Do you have an idea how bad 400g on a phone is? Even 200g is a lot. The phone you are using is probably less than 150g, that's why you don't notice it. 400g is 10" iPad category. Good luck holding it in one hand for extended periods and carrying it in your pants.

25. Melodyshine unregistered

The Lumia 1020 had a 1/1.5" sensor and was just 1cm thick.

27. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

Including the bump?

28. Clars123

Posts: 1078; Member since: Mar 16, 2015

You clearly didnt add the huge camera hump to that....

8. Supraman21

Posts: 467; Member since: Jun 09, 2010

The latest rumors say that the S8 had a 12 megapixel camera with PDAF. Wouldn't that mean that it's an entirely new sensor considering the S7 had a duo pixel sensor?

12. AJAY75

Posts: 6; Member since: Apr 25, 2016

3D mapping and distance readings. Great reasons for sensors.

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