Samsung Galaxy S10 processor to arrive with dedicated NPU

Samsung Galaxy S10 processor to arrive with dedicated NPU

Over the past twelve months, both chip makers and smartphone brands have focused heavily on new artificial intelligence implementations – Huawei’s Kirin 980 actually boasts two dedicated NPUs in the hope of improving AI performance. Samsung, on the other hand, has largely avoided any implementations of this kind. But with the arrival of the Galaxy S10, this could change.

Samsung Galaxy S10 processor to arrive with dedicated NPU
According to the LinkedIn profile of a former Samsung employee, the company began developing its second-generation NPU design in December of 2017. From the looks of things, the employee in question left the project halfway through, so very little information about the solution is provided. However, considering work begun almost a year ago, the new design will presumably be ready in time for the arrival of the Galaxy S10.

Unsurprisingly, it seems Samsung already developed its own NPU prior to beginning work on the second-generation version. However, this never made an appearance inside the company’s smartphones which would suggest it wasn’t happy with the end result. Obviously, there is no guarantee that a similar scenario will not occur with the second-generation NPU. But this time around, the company will face increased pressure to integrate one, which means its highly unlikely to skip the feature again.

As mentioned above, if Samsung does go ahead with its own NPU consumers can expect it to make an appearance inside the Galaxy S10 series. This means that it will presumably be part of the upcoming Exynos 9820 chip.

via Ice Universe

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47 Comments

1. Well-Manicured-Man

Posts: 664; Member since: Jun 16, 2015

Samsung is late to the party. I recommend to read the Apple A12 review on Anandtech.com. Apple is really leap frogging the mobile SoC industry.

2. shaineql

Posts: 522; Member since: Apr 28, 2014

And yet slower than 845 in every possible way. https://youtu.be/bY81stVtst8

8. Well-Manicured-Man

Posts: 664; Member since: Jun 16, 2015

You Tube reviewers cannot be trusted because there are endless possibilities to rig a test the favor of a certain phone. Anandtech reviewers are true tech experts with a deep and thorough technical understanding of their field of expertise. They are the most credible source for real tech reviews.

10. shaineql

Posts: 522; Member since: Apr 28, 2014

Dude get over it, it’s that simple, the phone is faster in 90% of day to day tasks. Other reviews on YouTube confirm it too. The only time iPhones are faster than Androids is when it comes to rendering videos and those photoshop apps. I’ll give you that , iOS and macOS have been best at video encoding for years, other than that in REAL DAY TO DAY tasks , opening apps(YOU USE PHONE LIKE THIS) Androids / Note 9 is faster, especially since google started enforcing devs to target later APIs and since they offered app performance profiling in android studio, android phones LEAPFROGGED in performance .

13. Well-Manicured-Man

Posts: 664; Member since: Jun 16, 2015

I just don't agree with you. The A12 is just a margins away to be as powerful as the best Desktop CPUs. Below is Anandtech's summary to the A12. If you can't come up with something better than ominous YouTube videos, you've lost this argumentation. The Apple A12 is a beast of a SoC. While the A11 already bested the competition in terms of performance and power efficiency, the A12 doubles down on it in this regard, thanks to Apple’s world-class design teams which were able to squeeze out even more out of their CPU microarchitectures. The Vortex CPU’s memory subsystem saw an enormous boost, which grants the A12 a significant performance boost in a lot of workloads. Apple’s marketing department was really underselling the improvements here by just quoting 15% - a lot of workloads will be seeing performance improvements I estimate to be around 40%, with even greater improvements in some corner-cases. Apple’s CPU have gotten so performant now, that we’re just margins off the best desktop CPUs; it will be interesting to see how the coming years evolve, and what this means for Apple’s non-mobile products.

19. aldude345

Posts: 8; Member since: Oct 20, 2013

Dude the A12 is not even close to the the best desktop cpus..Not even in the same solar system. So stop being a sheep and just get over it

47. NoToFanboys

Posts: 3231; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

I have always praised the A12 as the most powerful smartphone SoC, but saying that it is "margins away to be as powerful as the best Desktop CPUs"? That a whole load of crap, I guess you have no idea about laptop/desktop CPUs today.

25. theviolinist

Posts: 209; Member since: Feb 03, 2018

And how come Android phones are still slower than iphones?

30. toosmoove

Posts: 914; Member since: Sep 28, 2017

In what way? Gaming? That's it.

18. Atechguy0

Posts: 918; Member since: Aug 03, 2018

Apple really leap frogging the mobile SoC industry. If it is, then Apple is way behind with productivity on their iPhones. Apple has their iPhones only support single tasks. There is no real multitasking or split screen multitasking. No Stylus or pen support. No mouse, or desktop support. No VR support. For supposedly a really fast A12 SoC, it's certainly hobbled with a restricted and limiting OS. I think your the one that has lost the argument.

21. Well-Manicured-Man

Posts: 664; Member since: Jun 16, 2015

I didn’t argue about productivity and I wouldn’t do that either because I agree with you. Apple is not doing enough on the productivity. Apple makes use of its SoC with its camera, AR and games. But not with productivity.

28. Atechguy0

Posts: 918; Member since: Aug 03, 2018

Look my point is that if the A12 is really fast, then show it. If the current and even older Android smartphones can run multiple tasks(apps) simultaneously, and run them really well. Then that is a true test of how well both the OS and CPU can splice up the CPU resources between all the processes that are currently running. With iPhones there is only one app running, and as soon as you switch to the next app, then the previous task (app) is halted. Even benchmark testing is meaningless, especially across different platforms. If your SoC cache is large enough, then the test could run completely out of cache, then you are testing cache, which is meaningless. I also laugh, especially when I see GPU benchmarks comparisons between Android and iPhones. You will see benchmarks from iPhones using Apples Metal, compared to what they consider the same test in Android using OpenGL. Yet Apples Metal is closer to Vulkan on Android. The other thing is the resolutions differences for the on screen benchmarks, make them totally meaningless. For PCs the testing was always done with the same resolutions. But you can't do that for iPhones. That's because for years iPhones had the lowest resolution displays. It's only since the X and XS Max have the resolutions jumped up, but they still fall short or QHD resolutions, nevermind the newer QHD+ resolutions.

31. c.m.s

Posts: 222; Member since: Dec 10, 2017

As Well-Manicured-Man mentioned already, go and read Anandtechs in-depth test of the A12 CPU if you have not done that already. They are using the well respected SPEC2006 benchmark which is a far more demanding/complex CPU benchmark than GB 4. Still A12 performs incredibly well under these workloads and is far ahead of any Android competitor. Also, regarding halting app when switching, you make it sound like its not possible to run backgroundtasks on iOS. That is of course not true. You can run multiple background tasks at the same time, like listening to Spotify, using a navigation app while using the browser all at the same time, it works fine. The split screen is not about that the hardware/OS can't handle it (it works on iOS for iPad), it simply a decision that Apple have taken. One which I personally have no problem with, I do not care for split screen on a small screen like an iPhone. Heck I don't even use split screen on my computer/iPad, I switch windows.

41. Leo_MC

Posts: 6897; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

You make it pretty clear that you have absolutely no idea how iOS works and all your opinions are from reading uninformed people. "With iPhones there is only one app running, and as soon as you switch to the next app, then the previous task (app) is halted" That could not be more false; iOS can keep up and running more than 100 apps AT THE SAME TIME (when it comes to heavy games, the number decreases); I have said it numerous time: I have about 20 apps running at the same time - ALL THE TIME - on my iPhone. "Even benchmark testing is meaningless, especially across different platforms." I agree with that; Facebook app on iPhone is 316MB, while on Android is only 177MB; Whatsapp - 90 v. 60; Word - 259 v. 130 (Excel - 245 v. 125); Outlook - 192 v. 93; YouTube - 135 v. 96 (Google apps are very similar in size); Shazam - 64 v. 39 etc. So, an Android phone needs to process - roughly - half the data an iPhone processes in order to open the same app. On the other side, most Android phones are pushing more pixels. So this types of comparisons are not fare.

29. Atechguy0

Posts: 918; Member since: Aug 03, 2018

To sum it up real world tells all. Note 9 beats the piss out of iPhone XS Max.

36. Well-Manicured-Man

Posts: 664; Member since: Jun 16, 2015

The opposite is the case. The hardware of the Note 9 is worse than the hardware in iPhone XS Max (Processor, Camera). But the Note 9 offers more productivity features.

43. Chrusti

Posts: 97; Member since: Jul 25, 2015

I recently switched from apple to Android. And I don't regret it. Why did I switch? Because the iPhone 8 performed poorly I games. Often overheating after a few minutes, dimming the screen and becoming unplayable. So tell me if apple is so much better then why can't it even run a game for 20minuted without lowering the entire performance to a point where it becomes a Gameboy ?

39. Trex95

Posts: 2364; Member since: Mar 03, 2013

Know this video S9 plus snapdragon 845 even faster than note 9 snapdragon 845. But funny thing that S9 plus with 6 gig of ram can’t even multitasking like iPhone XS max and by the way iPhone XS max beats note 9 8 gig of ram.

44. toosmoove

Posts: 914; Member since: Sep 28, 2017

Based on what? Do you have first hand experience or are you going off of what somebody posted? There's a difference.

3. shaineql

Posts: 522; Member since: Apr 28, 2014

And yet slower than 845 in every possible way. https://yout u.be/bY81stVtst8

5. shaineql

Posts: 522; Member since: Apr 28, 2014

And yet slower than 845 in every possible way. Watch the speed test XS Max vs Note 9 on Techisode TV channel

26. theviolinist

Posts: 209; Member since: Feb 03, 2018

dude do you have a life? you posted this comment 5 times. it's you who should find a gf and try to be fast in bed, not brag about 845's speed (which isnt even true) hahhaha

23. rsiders

Posts: 1895; Member since: Nov 17, 2011

Really doesn't matter how much power the Lamborghini has if Apple only let's it's drivers go 70mph. No native split screen multitasking even. You don't need all that horsepower to drive down a straight road with a few mild turns on it. That's my take on all the power the A12 has. But to give credit where it's due their AI stuff is worlds apart but until the average person really uses it, it's more of a hidden feature than an actual use.

27. theviolinist

Posts: 209; Member since: Feb 03, 2018

do you even use that feature on android? that's like your only argument in every comment, like it's most important thing on a PHONE. iphone xs is the fastest phone on the market, get over that and stop crying.

34. rsiders

Posts: 1895; Member since: Nov 17, 2011

I use it all the time and it's the fact that I can is why I do. All I'm saying and you don't have a proper rebuttal is that all that power is wasted basically. The iPhone Xs is the fastest at getting to 60mph but the big boys can go faster.

24. OneLove123

Posts: 875; Member since: Aug 28, 2018

Anandtech is getting payed by Apple. The guy that owns the site is working for Apple.

45. Trex95

Posts: 2364; Member since: Mar 03, 2013

How do you know this info?!

6. wickedwilly

Posts: 632; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

In some ways you are correct, but what you fail to recognise is the SOC is just one part in a smartphone and having the best SOC does not equate to the best or fastest phone. In so many other ways, areas that have made a much bigger impact on a smartphone Samsung have been way ahead of Apple.

7. Well-Manicured-Man

Posts: 664; Member since: Jun 16, 2015

I don’t think so. Can you show me a real proof by a tech expert that justifies your claim? You Tube reviewers cannot be trusted because there are endless possibilities to rig a test the favor of a certain phone.

37. mootu

Posts: 1443; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

"You Tube reviewers cannot be trusted because there are endless possibilities to rig a test the favor of a certain phone" And Anandtech doesn't have the same possibilities to rig a test? It all boils down to who you trust and that persons motives. To say Anandtech are more trustworthy because "you" say so is a moot point.

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