TSMC promises 20nm chips in 2013
4. PackMan posted on 26 Apr 2012, 08:38 6
Broadwell and Skywell will use 14nm process. They are due for 2014. Also i except delays from TMSC, their fabs aren't as advanced as Intel's.
13. SuperAndroidEvo posted on 26 Apr 2012, 09:29 3
Awesome thank you!
+1 for you.
15. remixfa posted on 26 Apr 2012, 10:23 1
yup. theoretical max is somewhere around 9nm from what I understand, so we are getting there. Intel has promised that they can go beyond that. We live in exciting times for tech development. :)
18. PackMan posted on 26 Apr 2012, 11:04 3
Intel is pretty confident about manufacturing up to 8nm (skipping 11nm process). After that the effects of quantum electron tunneling becomes serious (electrons won't go through gate, they will effectively disappear and re-appear on the other side). However other materials such as graphene( carbon nano tube) may be used for something smaller than 4nm (2022 according to intel roadmap). Using graphene we can reach upto 1nm (c-c bond has length of 0.14nm), after that say goodbye to Moore's law.
21. cepcamba posted on 26 Apr 2012, 17:52 0
Yeah I agree. I'm happy to have lived through an era that emcompasses both the analog days and the digital one. Almost every new tech is groundbreaking for us.
Kids of the future would never appreciate technological advancement the way we do simply because they didn't experience the manual way of things.
2. SuperAndroidEvo posted on 26 Apr 2012, 08:30 2
It's insane who this technology is moving. This time last year everything was at 45nm. Now this time next year we should have 20nm. The battery life of our smartphone and tablets will start to go to the days limits instead of hour limits.
This is to me just staggering. With 20nm you can see 3.0 to even 3.5GHz processors which is now creeping on to the desktop realm. Truly remarkable.
7. Captain_Doug posted on 26 Apr 2012, 08:43 3
Getting ahead of myself, but I wanna know how they keep improving speed and power consumption once we reach the hypothetical physical limit if these chips(8-10nm). Once you can't build smaller, you build with different materials or use a different method. I wanna know what thet'll be, and start buying their stock. Just like how HDD became SSD or plasma became LCD-LED. There's gotta be a next step.
8. kshell1 posted on 26 Apr 2012, 08:47 3
I agree with both of you, the way technology in general is advancing is outstanding, graphics on computers reaching photorealism in the case crytec3, graphics and cpu speed on mobile devices reaching desktop/console levels is just outrageous, nobody would have guessed any of this 5 years ago, not at this enormous level anyway.
9. gp284 posted on 26 Apr 2012, 08:50 2
MIT is doing research where instead of using buses, the things that transmit data between the cores, the cores would operate using packets of data, sorta like the internet does. This would be important because as chips get faster, an extra bus would be added, and that would use LOTS more power. But using the packets, data could be transmited faster and more power effciently. IT would also allow more than two cores collaborate on a single project, which is the best that processors can do now.
11. Captain_Doug posted on 26 Apr 2012, 08:57 3
I'm nerding out hard right now. Gah!
12. Captain_Doug posted on 26 Apr 2012, 09:00 3
I've never been sold on 3D. It's like the ultimate gimmick to me. How is it cool? How does it enhance the experience? I feel like until it really is a hologram like thing, it's just pointless and distracting. I'm very curious what those who like it, like about it. I feel I'm missing something. Can you explain?
16. remixfa posted on 26 Apr 2012, 10:26 0
im with ya doug. Until its an actual interactive hologram, i dont see it as more than an entertainment gimick. Of course, a 3D tv will probably be my next TV (once they figure out how to get rid of glasses and have a good effect).. but thats pure entertainment. A 3D phone needs to be functional 3D as well.
17. groupsacc posted on 26 Apr 2012, 10:44 0
Sorry, I meant 3D ICs as in 3D transistors on chips, now that transistor sizes are getting smaller and smaller every year and coming close to hitting that theoretical limit.
19. remixfa posted on 26 Apr 2012, 11:38 2
ahh yes, i read an article about that yesterday actually. exciting stuff.
6. Phullofphil posted on 26 Apr 2012, 08:40 3
That might be cool if Samsung uses them to make a damn LTE incorporated chip that was not made,for apple. So irritating on my galaxy nexus that it's nt an exenos. Huge battle with apple and Samsung still gives apple there best processors I don't know why. Now I bet these chips are made fore LTE just in time for apple and there all chips on a chip so it as all the tech and my version of galaxy s 3 has a damn S 4 witch is prob a great chip but it's still not the chip that the best version has. Thanks for m morning rant
20. Sangeet posted on 26 Apr 2012, 13:05 0
Waiting for the day when i see the chips made with 5nm process that would be ultra power efficient and would be able to clock at almost 3ghz for one chip or even more..
But not until 2020.. take or give a few years