Sony Xperia Z4 benchmark run spills the beans: 5.1" display, Snapdragon 810, and 20MP camera
1. RobinD (Posts: 12; Member since: 01 Dec 2014)
We finally got some official specs on the Z4. Looks good in general.
32. neela_akaash (Posts: 1193; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)
Yeah it's going to be great as always.
But the Samsung has spread lots of rumors about the SD810, just to reduce competition from other manufacturers.
69. LionStone (Posts: 743; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)
72. Gambit_jp79 (Posts: 12; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
Don't know... but if it is true, wouldn't be the first time.
just google it: samsung fined FTC
87. techperson211 (Posts: 1230; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)
Here we go again everytime Sony has a leaked a lot of haters appear in this site. Most of them being samsung and apple fans. I admit that in terms of camera Sony has problems with algorithms but what else do they have problems with? Battery life? Display? Oh please don't give that quad HD is a must cause apple never uses quad HD and look how apple user wall hugged every outlet. In terms of functionality and durability Sony flagship have it.
65. vincelongman (Posts: 4445; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Samsung didn't spread any rumors
Its a fact the 810 has overheating issues
Just see the LG G Flex 2 and HTC One M9
Also the LG G4 is rumored to have the 808 because of the 810's overheating issues
98. osbert (Posts: 125; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)
I cannot find anything about the consumer G Flex 2 overheating. Literally just the opposite, that any (supposed) overheating must have been fixed, as the phone performs to spec.
Please could you link a source?
73. G9-Kokos (Posts: 27; Member since: 31 Jan 2015)
Rumors about that mini-nuclear CPU??
The 810 should have been BANNED due to hazard danger
66. dimas (Posts: 2146; Member since: 22 Jul 2014)
I'm really hoping that they'll use the Cybershot technology on this phone. Their point and shoot cameras are so underrated but very good.
89. diehardnokian (Posts: 145; Member since: 27 Apr 2014)
whats that port beside the charger? usb c?
2. Kruze (Posts: 1285; Member since: 30 Dec 2014)
I'm quite worried about the Snapdragon 810, it's basically an epic fail for Qualcomm. I do hope Sony will find a solution to prevent the overheating or just use Snapdragon 808 or maybe other chipsets like Kirin 930 or Exynos 7420 or MTK 6795.
6. Ruturaj (Posts: 1341; Member since: 16 Oct 2014)
May be or not. As we saw reports (rumors) saying M9 still have issues.
8. limporgyuk (Posts: 276; Member since: 06 Nov 2013)
Just watch any of the M9 reviews on youtube. They all adress the issue and say there is no overheating.
18. maherk (Posts: 3803; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
And they also talked about the increased throttling since the latest software update.
Sony should go with 808, SD 810 will overheat in a waterproofed Z4 much more than it does on the m9.
41. may_czos (Posts: 736; Member since: 22 Nov 2014)
808 is basically 810 without two A57 cores and much weaker graphics. 808 is basically 801's equivalent.
40. rd_nest (Posts: 1593; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
If you read the Anandtech article, you will notice that they clearly mentioned HTC doesn't allow the SOC to touch 2.0GHz as advertised.
"However, using CPUBurn to try and load just a single thread reveals that without HTC’s CPU cheats, it’s basically impossible to get the A57 cluster beyond 1.5 to 1.6 GHz."
"This benchmark mode appears to relax throttling constraints, but more obviously it enables one to go from a maximum of 1.6 GHz to the rated 2.0 GHz of the Snapdragon 810 for extended periods of time."
It's pretty clear they are under-clocking the CPU and using more aggressive throttling to find a solution.
Perfectly logical solution, but it hardly proves that the issue with 810 SOC has been resolved. It's just that vendors will now underclock to make it to *work*.
61. JunitoNH (Posts: 1802; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)
You didn't think they were going to be honest? They are not willing to sacrifice revenue or business. Is the model of most, deal with the consequences later.
62. j2001m (Posts: 2943; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
Nope, they just underclock it down to 1.5 or lag out the phone
And it can not run QHD on small phones I.e. Sonly s6!type size
5. osbert (Posts: 125; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)
7. osbert (Posts: 125; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)
Feel free to ignore the end that attempts to start pointing fingers, personally, I'm not interested in that rubbish at all.
25. Macready (Posts: 961; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
Horrible article altogether. I was already suspicious of their claims before the first SD810 3rd party tests, but now it's really just sad.
What's ironic, is the fact that it claims Samsung is spreading FUD, while the real FUD, is in that article.
97. osbert (Posts: 125; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)
Could I ask what it is you take exception to in that article?
(Ignoring the finger-pointing ending if you please... as he recommends to do our own research on the source of 'leaks', but I have and will not).
Personally I can't find fault with the assertions that;
a) the early 810's had an issue that would be corrected in later die spins.
b) many supposedly reputable news publications didn't bother giving the issue more than a cursory glance before parroting the claims.
c) the G Flex 2 was reported by multiple sources not to exhibit any issues or suffer performance hits due to underclocking at CES or since.
This is not to take anything away from any claims that performance isn't as big a leap as they'd like, simply that an overheating rumour didn't deserve to be constantly perpetuated.
63. Trex95 (Posts: 905; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)
I played with M9 for an hour and yes it does has overheating issue unlike M8 plus a bit laggy unlike M8.
99. G9-Kokos (Posts: 27; Member since: 31 Jan 2015)
You should really, REALLY, stop using that BS article to defend SD810.
This SOC has HARDWARE issues, documented by alot of different, knowledgeable websites, like arstechnica, that CANNOT be corrected with just software patches.
Only thing left for the manufacturers that using it, is to underclock it and basicly loose the speed advantages compare to last year SOCs, let alone the new Exynos.
Please stop spreading B.S.
101. osbert (Posts: 125; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)
I'd like to stop spreading misinformation so as you named them specifically, could you point me to a recent (i.e. since the publication of the semiaccurate article) post by ars where they don't just cite the bloomberg report about Samsung switching to inhouse, or 'straight-from-the-source' rumour blog posts about preproduction 810s running hot?
Their review of the M9 states it throttles aggressively, which fits with the anandtech review, but I can't find sites having problems with the G Flex 2 for example. So wouldn't that point to it being a problem with HTC's implementation?
Anyway, that is the first and only time I posted the semiaccurate report, conceeding that I feel his assumptions at the end are disingenuous, I shalln't be posting it again as it's conclusion is a bit too much like bait for a flame war.
14. jove39 (Posts: 1859; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Exynos 7420 is way to go for Sony...huawei and mediatek are lazy to update firmware for future android release.
15. RobinD (Posts: 12; Member since: 01 Dec 2014)
I really don't think that Sony's going to be using a Samsung chip.
23. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Why? Most of them use Samsung made RAM and NAND. And Samsung uses Sony sensors.
What's bad in using a superior product.
34. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3724; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
I agree. I don't think Sony (or most of the other OEMs) would have an issue using a Samsung chip. I think the issue lies in production. Samsung has never had to produce so many of one chip ever as they do now. They probably don't have the ability to produce enough of the 7420 for themselves & other OEMs as well. This might change in the future.
35. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
The z4 won't even sell 10% of s6 and iPhone 6s and that's hard truth. I don't think Samsung should have any issues.
38. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3724; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Good point, but mine stands even still. Samsung probably has no idea at this point if they will be able to keep up with the demand. Remember they are manufacturing many times more Exynos chips as in the past since they are not using Qualcomm anymore. They need to keep as many as they can in-house right now. It would be a shame to sell some off to someone else & not have enough for their own. They have cited their production as a reason they haven't gone all Exynos in the past. I think this is valid.
42. may_czos (Posts: 736; Member since: 22 Nov 2014)
Samsung won't sell their newest chips to anyone.
21. seven7dust (unregistered)
the main issue for HTC was metal with Sd810 , Sony won't have the same issue , cause Qualcomm will fix the issue with more tweaking and Sony will not use full metal.
But still Sony should have gone ballsy with a custom chip from other camps, a older exynos , or even a mediatek chip with a focus on even more battery life.
Either way this phone will rule battery life charts yet again I hope.
52. SamsungEU (Posts: 147; Member since: 29 Dec 2014)
metal help cool the phone , so the all plastic z4 will get even more throttled
103. ilovemymonkey (Posts: 3; Member since: 01 Apr 2015)
All plastic? Where is this info coming from? Every report so far has stated a glass and metal body...
104. ilovemymonkey (Posts: 3; Member since: 01 Apr 2015)
If anything will throttle it, it will be the waterproof nature of the phone...
49. Tooluka (Posts: 51; Member since: 27 Nov 2014)
It is not "epic", obviously. It is better than 805 in many cases, it is just not that good as hype said.
Regarding other chipsets - they are likely not without their faults. For example Kirin 920 had throttling issues (see Anandtech reviews of Huawei). Mediatek had GPS issues and caused crashes. Exynos 7420 is nice and everyone praise it for driving 1440px display on same level as others drive 1080px, but people forget that S6 has Pentile RGBG matrix and it not true 1440px display but rather 0.77% of true 1440px if counted by subpixels - way easier to drive for SOC.
So not everything there is that is not Snapdragon so great in comparison. We need more extensive testing for such claims.
94. alex3run (Posts: 713; Member since: 18 May 2014)
Such a nonsense. Go to Google before posting THAT. GPU doesn't care how much subpixels the screen carries, it cares about the numper of pixels.
4. SuperNova (banned) (Posts: 649; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)
Considering Sony mobile future is uncertain, I wonder if the Z4 is a treat or trick? :(
9. Kumar123 (Posts: 801; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)
When will Sony use different material for their flagship phones other than glass? They have been using glass for their flagship phones for too long. Of all the Galaxy S6 videos I saw in the last couples of week each and every phones looks dirty. I bet Xperia Z series phones have the same problem. Sony should mix things up. Use aluminium, heck use soft touch plastic for gods sake. What's the point of a pretty phone if it looks dirty? Or forces you to hide it under a case?
11. ILikeBubbles (Posts: 525; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
personally i use a case no matter how pretty my phone is because that's just how i am, but Spigen has a clear case if you're into that type of thing. :p
24. Feanor (Posts: 716; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
They are waterproof, if you get fingerprints, you just put it under the tap and give it a fast wash.
My Z2 looks dirtier on the front (where you touch the most, and where, well, all phones have glass). The rear is no problem.
36. Kumar123 (Posts: 801; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)
@ILikeBubbles, I really hate using case.
@Feanor, But isn't it a total pain in the ass, washing your phone everyday (I assume you have to wash it everyday knowing how fingerprint magnet glass is) just to get rid of the fingerprints? While I admit it gives a better feeling in the hand than cheap glossy plastic, glass back is not suitable general day to day use purposes. Not only its a fingerprint magnet but also glass get scratched and broke so easily. Anyway my point is, using the same material again and again is boring especially considering the disadvantage glass has. IMO, Metal or Soft touch plastic is the best material choice for smartphone. Look at the flagship Lumia phones, it uses soft touch plastic right? But nobody criticized it for being cheap looking or feeling phones because those phones doesn't look or feel cheap. Again, my point is Sony should mix things up.
46. CamaroSS (Posts: 173; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)
They already used soft touch plastic (X10 - 2010), glossy/matte plastic (Arc - 2011) & metal (Ion, T - 2012). Then they actually had two flagships in early 2013 - Z with glass & ZL with plastic. I really liked the ZL better, but Z was way more popular. So they're just playing safe.
50. Kumar123 (Posts: 801; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)
Playing safe is the worst thing in the smartphone world. Look at Samsung, they didn't play safe with their S6, they took a risk and it paid off. S6 has the same basic ugly design of S3 but they mixed things up by using different material and it paid off. Sony too should mixes things up if they want to survive in this highly competitive smartphone world.
53. CamaroSS (Posts: 173; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)
I meant Sony did mix things up in 2013 and people voted for Z! Why would Sony do the experiment again? You can't have too many identical models with different materials, it only confuses the market. Samsung had nothing to lose with S6 as S5 was downright ugly. It can only get better from there. Even after that, S6 still 'looks' like an S5. Nobody complains about the iterative designs of iphones, HTC or Sony cause they are good designs in the first place. But you can definitely say they can try changing the 'look' without messing with the material. Maybe that's what you meant to say.
64. j2001m (Posts: 2943; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
I think you need to take a look at the drop and damage tests it's the glass you on about with no damage
67. dimas (Posts: 2146; Member since: 22 Jul 2014)
Aluminum can increase the cost of the device but good point on having a different plastic material. Aluminum might make your phone look premium but it will take lots of process to mold. Lots of process means more production cost and you cannot leave an aluminum phone without casing because it will be a scratch magnet.
You can just wipe away that "dirty" finger prints or get used it but with aluminum phones, you will always be babysitting your device whenever your out of the city.
10. SuperAndroid507 (Posts: 283; Member since: 06 Jan 2014)
Xperia Z1 is also C as in C6906 and it's 2013 not 2012.
12. Dude2014 (Posts: 439; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)
Z1 looks like Z. Z2 looks like Z1. Z3 looks like Z2. And here we go again, Z4 will look like Z3. Why no one complaining about that? You guys blamed HTC for using the old design. Now Sony? WTF
ps If Z4 will follow M9's path, then RIP Sony and HTC.
13. SonyFindOneDroidple (Posts: 797; Member since: 11 May 2013)
sony fanboys will be really really mad at you!
16. maherk (Posts: 3803; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
You're dead lol
They are all looking for you, HIDEEEE
17. Kumar123 (Posts: 801; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)
Samsung Galaxy S6 looks like S5, S5 looks like S4, S4 looks like S3. It the same ugly design over and over and over and over again. Galaxy S2 is the best looking galaxy flagship phone they ever created which is obviously the copied version of iPhone. When will Samsung completely redesign their ugly soap looking design? But you (S)heep will never address the resembles or admit the ugliness of Galaxy series. Instead of criticizing other brand like Sony or HTC which have created a beautiful and original design language you (S)heep should criticized Samsung for repeating the same ugly design since 2012.
19. maherk (Posts: 3803; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Oh Kumar, when will you give it a rest?
ALLLLL reviews, are throwing complements over another about how great the new Galaxy S6 Edge looks and feels like, and how it is one of the best phones ever designed!!
But i guess we should take the word of an ignorant Sony boy, who has never gave credit to ANY Samsung product.
29. SuperNova (banned) (Posts: 649; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)
Galaxy series are ugly? You've gotta have your eyes checked. Samsung have satisfied consumers enough which lead to the booming sale of the Galaxy series. Tell me if your bulky, boring, uninspired Z series are better, why are their sales far behind the Galaxy? If Sony is better, why have they lost money and sold off VAIO division?
48. Rhinoface (Posts: 177; Member since: 05 Dec 2014)
Uninspired? Eh, maybe. I forgot that Samsung's inspiration was a band aid
91. SuperNova (banned) (Posts: 649; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)
LoL jealous sony boy! You tried everything just to hate Samsung phone which is widely admired to be the best of the best in the present day.