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Qualcomm's Snapdragon 820 rumored to come with 3.0GHz Kyro CPU, Samsung tipped as the manufacturer

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Qualcomm's Snapdragon 820 rumored to come with 3.0GHz Kyro CPU, Samsung tipped as the manufacturer
A new report from China claims that Qualcomm has finalized the spec sheet for its upcoming Snapdragon 820 chipset, and that the chip maker is now sending Snapdragon 820 samples to smartphone manufacturers.

Back at MWC 2015 in March, Qualcomm teased its upcoming high-end chip, the Snapdragon 820, revealing that the upcoming SoC will integrate custom-designed 64-bit CPU cores called Kyro. If this new report is to be believed, the Snapdragon 820's Kyro CPU cores will be clocked at up to 3.0GHz, and the new chip will be manufactured using Samsung's 14nm node manufacturing technology. 

This is not the first time we're hearing rumors of Qualcomm jumping the TSMC ship and partnering with Samsung to manufacture its upcoming chip, but the suggested CPU core frequency is new information. However, one very important details that is currently missing from the equation is the number of CPU cores that the Snapdragon 810 will make use of.

The report suggests that companies such as Sony, HTC, and Xiaomi will be the first smartphone manufacturers to test out the new chips. According to 'reliable sources' quoted by the Chinese report, Xiaomi has plans to include the Snapdragon 820 in its upcoming Mi 5 flagship, a smartphone that is said to be launched this October if the new chip behaves well in tests.

The real question now is whether the Snapdragon 820 will be able to solve the overheating issues that have plagued the Snapdragon 810, a chip manufactured by TSMC on 20nm. Given that the Snapdragon 820 is said to be manufactured using Samsung's 14nm node process, which is the same technology that Samsung used to manufacture the Exynos 7420 chip that powers the Galaxy S6 series, a noticeable improvement in thermal performance is to be expected. 

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posted on 25 Jun 2015, 22:59 12

1. NotAGeek (Posts: 279; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)


Samsung as the manufacturer?alright no worries for overheating anymore

posted on 25 Jun 2015, 23:02 22

2. AnTuTu (Posts: 1578; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)


Finally they realized who is best in the business. Kudos to Sammy and SD for this.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 03:09 2

25. Simona (unregistered)


DON'T go ahead with events when you don't know what surprise awaits !

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 08:25

45. gersont1000 (Posts: 293; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


That profile pic...wow!

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 03:33 6

31. nuldolor5x.com (unregistered)


To be tested by Sony, HTC and Xiaomi, sounds like an effort to compensate them for the poor sales due the burning SOC 810.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 06:55

42. neela_akaash (Posts: 1114; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


Everything is fair in Love, War and Business.....

posted on 25 Jun 2015, 23:15 10

6. waddup121 (unregistered)


BASED SAMSUNG TO THE RESCUE!

No more wildfires and daily CNN reports on the S810 outrage anymore! wew!

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 01:04 12

17. limporgyuk (Posts: 273; Member since: 06 Nov 2013)


Yuk, you Samsung fanboys make me sick. You're grown men for goodness sake, you sound like One Direction fans

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 02:21 13

21. AnTuTu (Posts: 1578; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)


It's not Samsung fanboys who make u sick. Seems to me you are already sick for some other reasons.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 02:35 4

22. limporgyuk (Posts: 273; Member since: 06 Nov 2013)


You have just prooved my point with your comment. Were you sad when Zayn left?

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 03:11

26. Simona (unregistered)


I can't believe they are in TOP chart youtube subscribers on 6th place
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_most_subscribed_users_on_YouTube

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 03:14 3

27. Pinocchio (banned) (Posts: 141; Member since: 14 Apr 2015)


Why are you so butthurt by such a comment? Don't have any better comments, just don't comment at all then problem solved Sony fanboys!

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 03:28 5

30. Shocky (Posts: 2250; Member since: 16 May 2012)


I haven't seen any comments that warrant that response, you need to get a grip.

This makes perfect sense for qualcomm, also happens to be great news for Samsung as well.

But best of all it's great news for us because the next snapdragon SoC will probably not overheat!.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 07:52

43. medicci37 (Posts: 1271; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


Exactly limporgyuk lol

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 08:11

44. limporgyuk (Posts: 273; Member since: 06 Nov 2013)


Thanks mate, these babies won't let anyone criticise their beloved Samsung without crying 'butthurt'. It's embarrassing

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 11:03

51. marorun (Posts: 3163; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Samsung will only build the chip following the plan developped by... Qualcomm.

They do have good soc building maufacture but thats its.
IF anyone else had 14 nanometer or 10 nanometer out Qualcomm would have chosen them first.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 12:36 1

56. CultDude (Posts: 4; Member since: 24 Jun 2015)


Designing a low-distance node fab process is far more difficult than designing a SoC and custom cores.

The 14nm FinFET process allows Qualcomm to make design rules that are not possible in 20nm planar fabs. Don't try to downplay Samsung's role in the 820's development.

posted on 27 Jun 2015, 06:20

68. hound.master (Posts: 1044; Member since: 27 Feb 2015)


Well Samsung only manufacture the CPU bit designing it or anything and it's not doing it for free so if the result was good it's Samsung's power and if it's bad it's qcom false i think the opposite.

posted on 25 Jun 2015, 23:30 10

9. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


TSMC had no share in the Sd810 heating. It was the chip design that was faulty. They clocked the chip a bit too high and used a custom CCI which further favored performance. As a result, the chip stays at higher clock than it should be and hence it throttles.

TSMC 20 nm process was also used for Apple's A8 and A8x chips and it didn't have any problem.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 02:04 5

19. Nathillien (Posts: 208; Member since: 05 Oct 2014)


Yeah, but A8 didn't perform much better than A7.
Pointing at TSMC.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 02:08 3

20. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


The A8 did perform exactly as expected. It was supposed to be a 20-25% performance bump as it was a minor improvement.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 03:14 5

28. Simona (unregistered)


Apple chips are useless bcos they don't have such stress as on android .. where FULL OS running and iOS is just shell no processes at all ..

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 04:24 4

35. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


I don't fully agree with that, TSMC only develop a LPE version in 20nm because their decission of not using FinFET.
Therefore the SoCs that were planned for high frequencies like SD810 suffered the consecuencies of that decission (not having a high performance variant), as LPE doesn't play nice with high frequencies.
So yes, it's partially the fault of TSMC.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 04:33 4

36. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Qualcomm decided to go with them. if TSMC can't provide them with LPP manufacturing, why go with them. And where is Qualcomm's QC ensuring that the clock is not too high.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 08:48 2

47. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


A SoC design takes 3 to 5 years, so when the decission is taken normally they have to guess part of the future, in this case probably that either 16nm FinFet or at least som kind of High Performance would be ready for SD 810.
TSMC promised those kind of technologies and didn't deliver either, so I see as partially guilty of the failure.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 12:11

52. marorun (Posts: 3163; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


ITs called a mistake :)

They made one mistake in past 5 year where samsung failed several time with Exynos.

Now they learned from it and wont use TSMC until they upgrade the manufacturing process.

posted on 27 Jun 2015, 01:16 1

67. rnagic (Posts: 148; Member since: 13 Jul 2014)


One mistake? Overheating has been an issue since the beginning of the 800 series. I still don't understand why any phone needs to be clocked over 2 ghz.

posted on 28 Jun 2015, 08:14

70. Simona (unregistered)


bcos small kiddos play stupid gamez. it is just for them..

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 01:05 1

18. My1cent (Posts: 342; Member since: 30 Jan 2014)


As a matter of fact, all CPU heat up with intense usage! SD810 would perform real well with a heatsink ;-)

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 03:07 2

24. Simona (unregistered)


Selling with fans ?

posted on 30 Jun 2015, 08:20

71. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8478; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Unless the design itself is bad.

posted on 25 Jun 2015, 23:02 4

3. legiloca (Posts: 1208; Member since: 11 Nov 2014)


If it'll overheat, I guess Qualcomm should go make Appliances such as an Oven Toaster instead of phones since they like to heat things up..

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 12:15

53. marorun (Posts: 3163; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Sure 1 SOC has small heating problems ( and no return yet at the store i work )

and they should go make appliances..

Did you know Many S3 and S4 had overheating problem? Same for the Note tablet serie?

We also received S6 edge with overheating problem.

Poor Shamesung fanboy.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 14:34

61. legiloca (Posts: 1208; Member since: 11 Nov 2014)


Let me just correct you there, I'm no fanboy of any brands or OS or SoC makers, but combining all those devices you've mentioned, I don't think they took a fraction of how much the SD810 killed..

posted on 25 Jun 2015, 23:04 2

4. rick_mobile (Posts: 216; Member since: 13 Dec 2010)


If samsung is making it, then I quiet excited about this powerhouse.

posted on 25 Jun 2015, 23:12 4

5. miket1737 (Posts: 2368; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


Im reeeaally hoping QC stays with a quad core design and just goes all out with extremely strong single core performance in all 4 cores. Would be a BEAST at 14nm with very little performance throttlint over time if done well.

posted on 25 Jun 2015, 23:19 2

7. miket1737 (Posts: 2368; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


Now that i think about it, S820 IS most likely going to be a quad core design with their kryo cores htting 3.0 ghz supposively

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 06:47 1

40. hound.master (Posts: 1044; Member since: 27 Feb 2015)


No it don't seem like quad core 3 GHz is too high for quad core it will be big.little architecture but it will only have a couple of custom cores probably and quad may not be enough.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 12:40

58. miket1737 (Posts: 2368; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


Why does it seem too high for a quad core?? The snapdragon 32 bit chip 805 runs at 2.7 ghz per core and its a quad core and its built on a 28nm node, this 820 is supposed to be built on a 14nm node which is MUCH more power efficient then 28nm and so they can hit 3.0 ghz easily actually

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 16:06

62. hound.master (Posts: 1044; Member since: 27 Feb 2015)


Yeah but where is power efficiency 4 cores at 3ghz is too high it might be quad core but it's more likely to be big.little i liked that they would stay with quad or hexa core but i don't think if 820 be the one it also rumored to have some none custom cores.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 16:19

63. miket1737 (Posts: 2368; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


once again im telling you it is not too high at all, the snapdragon 805 is a power efficient chip on a 28nm node, and each core runs at 2.7 ghz, very close to 3.0 ghz.

on a 14nm node they can even go higher then 3.0 ghz if they wanted to on a quad core SoC but they are gonna stay with 3.0 ghz for right blend of performance and power

i dont think they should go the big.little route, focusing on single core performance is more important then having more cores in reality which is why i am very confident in that qualcomm will most likely stick with a quad core 3.0 ghz design here for their 14nm kryo SoC

posted on 27 Jun 2015, 06:24

69. hound.master (Posts: 1044; Member since: 27 Feb 2015)


I really hope that you're right i hate octa core or more all they can do is produce more heat.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 12:40 1

57. CultDude (Posts: 4; Member since: 24 Jun 2015)


Interestingly, the Samsung Mongoose custom cores are also rumored to be quad core.

posted on 25 Jun 2015, 23:27 1

8. lylee73 (Posts: 84; Member since: 18 Mar 2015)


How much power can it push?

posted on 25 Jun 2015, 23:30 4

10. MachDaddy (Posts: 51; Member since: 06 Mar 2013)


Forget Kyro, then need cryo! Ha!

posted on 25 Jun 2015, 23:53 5

11. Planterz (Posts: 2014; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


Well, it can't be worse than the 810. Apparently the 620 is beating the 810 in benchmarks, so the 820 should be something impressive...the kind of impressive the 810 should have been, but isn't.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 00:17 1

14. StanleyG88 (Posts: 231; Member since: 15 Mar 2012)


That's because the 810 has a foot on the brake to hold the speed down so it doesn't flame on.

posted on 25 Jun 2015, 23:54 3

12. SASANK360 (Posts: 29; Member since: 25 Apr 2015)


Awesome. Seriously wish it is built on FinFet+ 14nm process.
Also qcom chips that use custom cpu cores are much more
reliable, efficient and powerfull. Qcom made a huge mistake going
with cortex a57 and a53 combo. I effin hate big.LITTLE.
Quad core setup of high performance cpus clocked lower
is always better. Also this kyro, i am sure, will make us go "holy smokes" :-D
I prefer qcom over other chips for their gpus.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 12:17

54. marorun (Posts: 3163; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Agreed.

The 810 performance are not optimal but its not overheating as other are saying.

But its would run much better on Qcom custom core those stock arm core are crap.. I had S6 and S6 edge overheating phone been return btw...

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 00:17 2

13. popony (Posts: 3; Member since: 26 Jun 2015)


3 Ghz gonna be another toaster, maybe it's time for mediaTek to surpass QD!~ Keep my eyes on helio X20

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 06:29

38. true1984 (Posts: 822; Member since: 23 May 2012)


They said the same thing about the 800's 2.3ghz clock speed too.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 12:18

55. marorun (Posts: 3163; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Stop drinking propaganda coolaid its wrong for your health.

http://wccftech.com/snapdragon-810-overheat-samsung-disengaging-chipset-conflict-qualcomm/

read ;)

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 16:20

64. miket1737 (Posts: 2368; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


irrelevant

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 00:45 1

15. guest (Posts: 338; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)


Intel Broxton is going to be legit can't wait to see it against the 820 in benchmarks

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 00:59

16. vuyonc (Posts: 987; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)


If only there were details on Qualcomm GPUs.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 02:55 2

23. dimas (Posts: 1921; Member since: 22 Jul 2014)


3ghz? Octacore? Hexacore? No need to up the speed and number of cores, just create an efficient processor and everything will be ok. These manufacturers keep upping everything but don't have any concern on gadget's battery longevity.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 16:38

65. miket1737 (Posts: 2368; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


If it is hitting 3.0 ghz clock speeds im assuming itll be a quad core design on 14nm with its core's having very strong single core performance and a Adreno 5xx series gpu , which imo would be a very great design that is much much better at everything thermal related compared to the snapdragon 810 on 20nm node.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 03:24

29. Shocky (Posts: 2250; Member since: 16 May 2012)


Who you gonna call? Samsung of course.

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 03:48 2

32. mittalmailbox (Posts: 50; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)


in next Nexus, plz plz

posted on 26 Jun 2015, 04:36

37. ekalavya (Posts: 10; Member since: 17 Jun 2015)


I am also with you bro.. Finger crossed :)

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