Qualcomm to trust Samsung with Snapdragon 820 production, jumps the TSMC ship

Qualcomm to trust Samsung with Snapdragon 820 production, jumps the TSMC ship
Samsung has won back the trust of Apple with its shovel-ready 14nm FinFET production process, and now Qualcomm might be folding its tents over at TSMC, and moving over to the Samsung camping grounds, too. The TSMC foundry's 16nm wafers production was postponed again for the second or third quarter of the year, all the while Samsung has been gradually increasing its production capacity, reduced the prices, and achieved stellar yields for the superior 14nm FinFET process.

According to industry insiders, all these combined have forced Qualcomm to jump the TSMC ship for its upcoming Snapdragon 820 chipset, and take its production to Samsung, just like Apple does for the future A9 that will be in the iPhone 7

Qualcomm had a pretty unpleasant experience with TSMC when it comes to its current Snapdragon 810 flagship chipset, as the half-baked TSMC yields, and the rushed architecture with stock ARM cores led to overheating for the first batches, and inflicted some damage on the so far stellar Snapdragon reputation. With this move, Qualcomm might win back the hearts and minds of Samsung engineers, and we could see Note 5 ship with Snapdgragon 820 inside, unlike the Galaxy S6 that hopped on the Exynos bandwagon hook, line and sinker.

source: Recode

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56 Comments

1. bur60

Posts: 981; Member since: Jul 07, 2014

Hmmmmm end of this year will be interesting

3. thegeneral7010

Posts: 437; Member since: Dec 10, 2014

Till now its not, its only note 4 s6 compitition now

33. bur60

Posts: 981; Member since: Jul 07, 2014

True, G4 will join too

35. KENTOZ

Posts: 86; Member since: Apr 03, 2015

The interesting for me is the lithography of SD 820 going to use and the architecture

48. AnTuTu

Posts: 1620; Member since: Oct 14, 2012

Father is always a father. Hence proved...

2. JonathanAlexander7

Posts: 71; Member since: Jun 20, 2014

in my country,we never get samsung with snapdragon inside,always exynos on high end samsung

4. thegeneral7010

Posts: 437; Member since: Dec 10, 2014

Thats not always good SD variant of note 3 and s5 was much better than exynos

6. JonathanAlexander7

Posts: 71; Member since: Jun 20, 2014

i know,snapdragon on note 3 and S5 much better than exynos,i'm not saying exynos is better than snapdragon,when i know that my note 3 using exynos,i'm a little bit angry back in 2013,but overall good performance,if note 5 using exynos like S6 or even better,i'm not angry anymore :D

27. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

The SD version is marginally better in performance but lacks a quality audio dac (wolfson in exynos) and usually fewer LTE advances.

29. mixedfish

Posts: 1561; Member since: Nov 17, 2013

Likewise the Exynos sound is marginally better, in an overall mediocre sounding smartphone world. I'd choose the better SoC instead.

39. ph00ny

Posts: 2055; Member since: May 26, 2011

Based on SoC comparison on Anand tech, even the SD810 is neck to neck with exynos 5 in note 4 and behind in a lot of tests. Surprising since exynos 5 was severely hampered by the lack of memory bandwidth Few things SD exceeded exynos 5 was in GPU performance and LTE compatibility With US carriers

51. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

Lol... In what way are they better?

5. Predator1701

Posts: 130; Member since: Oct 28, 2014

I think Qualcomm is gonna step up it's game this year.

10. G9-Kokos

Posts: 27; Member since: Jan 31, 2015

Yea.. Might step up their game but for them, wasnt even a bad year. Still majority of manufacturers used QC SOCs in their flagships. What QC did was screwing over the companies that trusted them. Because in the end nobody will accuse the QC for the overheating of m9, z4. Nobody will say that QC is the reason G4 went with 808 and has a sub-par performance because they didnt gave them a choice. All the wrongs will fall on the manufacturers and QC will still get huge money either way.

15. Captain_Doug

Posts: 1037; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

They're already #1 seller. What's there the step up? They're not perfect but their closest competitor is miles away. Mediatek may prove troublesome and Intel is always a wild card. Nvidia is doing their own thing and isn't anywhere as spread out as they were. OMAP is all but dead. Rockchip just does knock offs and low end stuff. Exynos could be big too but they haven't been in anything else but Samsung phones(not that they need more) except the S5 and S4 only shipped with Exynos internationally I think. Times they are a changing.

17. Pinocchio

Posts: 141; Member since: Apr 14, 2015

stepping up its' game, my @ss! qualcomn has no choice to break away from sammy. TSMC is a joke right now, its limitation of technology is to blamed. it wanna to compete with sammy in nm game is a real catastrophe for qualcomn and apple. sammy is a truly chip manufacturer!

56. linuscat

Posts: 5; Member since: Oct 10, 2014

the irony is that samsung's 14nm process lead director is a former TSMC director who took all of TSMC years of development and basically gave it to samsung. do a search on Liang Mong-song and you'll see that he has a price on his head. if i was TSMC, i would go medieval on his ass.

7. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2451; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

I don't think I see the logic in Samsung ever using Qualcomm in their future devices unless they come out with a custom architecture that is superior to Samsung's processors. I know the author of the article is suggesting this may be a chance for Qualcomm to show up in future Samsung devices, but that would mean that Samsung would be paying Qualcomm for processors that they end up making anyways. Am I the only one that sees a problem with this line of thinking?

18. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

even if its more superior than exynos, it cant be cheaper than exynos, and current exynos is far ahead from competitor :D

32. itsdeepak4u2000

Posts: 3718; Member since: Nov 03, 2012

No, I also see the same problem. If Exynos chips are better then why would Sammy use those inferior QC chips, however if some markets demand QC chips then they would make it possible. And even if QC chips are good enough to perform then Sammy would be making two versions of the same phone like it did some time before. Samsung could use QC chips in their lower-mid range offerings.

34. wargreymon

Posts: 764; Member since: Nov 05, 2013

Krait has always been better than the stock cortex, and for SD820 they will use their new custom cores named Kryo. Also Adreno > Mali.

36. MrET1

Posts: 110; Member since: Jan 29, 2015

Not at all, krait 300 and 400 were ment to be better than Cortex A15 but they lagged behind in performanche/mhz. The only thing that made them able to compete with A15 was that they could be clocked slightly higher on 28nm than A15 on 28nm. And Adreno only wins vs mali in onscreen benchmarks where it is 1080p for the adreno vs 1440p for the mali. Mali GPU's are far better when it comes to fps in games since they are less likely to overheat and throttle. Anyway Samsung is working on both custom CPU and GPU cores for their future Exynos products. And I believe it would be better for samsung to not help Qualcomm out with their next gen SoCs since Samsung has all it takes to replace Qualcomm as market leader in mobile SoCs.

41. wargreymon

Posts: 764; Member since: Nov 05, 2013

What does it matter if it had lower IPC if it could be ckocked higher and be better? Adreno doesn't just win in on-screen, Adreno 430 eats the MP6 Mali in Exynos 5433, even 420 beats it even though it's 28nm. Obviously I'm comparing on the same node, using different nodes to compare would be misleading. This can change with the newer Mali obviously, but on same node Adreno is much better currently.

42. Dread

Posts: 18; Member since: Jun 25, 2014

Believe it or not, mali is better when it comes to real word experienced (gaming). My note 3 can reach higher fps in some games than my brother one plus one.

43. Taters

Posts: 6474; Member since: Jan 28, 2013

If the rumours of the new Galaxy Tab S devices using the 5433 in the Note 4 are true, Samsung might not have the factories in place and might have to resort to using old supply or even Qualcomm in the future. Of course using the 5433 on the new tab s devices could be because the Note 4 didn't sell as well as they hoped and they have to get rid of the reserve rather than them not having enough Exynos 7 series chips. But if I were to gamble I would say they are using the 5433 on the tab s because Apple is slamming them with A9 orders and all the Exynos 7 chips are reserved for the GS6/gs6 edge. So if their chip manufacturing division gets slammed too hard again, I can see them resorting to Qualcomm in the future.

52. cheetah2k

Posts: 2271; Member since: Jan 16, 2011

Unlikely that Samsung will be "slammed" again. That's why they built the 14nm fab line to cater for supply and demand. Thing is Samsung wont make the same mistake and over extend themselves again like the Apple days of old. The only reason why Qualcomm will get to use Samsungs fab line is that Samsung have a fabrication window free for them to use.

8. homepage

Posts: 3; Member since: Apr 20, 2015

Samsung won twice, 1)They put their own chips in s6 series.as far as we can see from the starting sales, its gonna be big hit. 2)They got the business from Qualcomm

14. TylerGrunter

Posts: 1544; Member since: Feb 16, 2012

3) They will probably also get back the business from Apple (even this one is not 100% sure is very likely) Apple used 100% TSMC for A8 and A8X series.

19. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

it should be 100% or 0%, unless apple want to create 2 version of A9, samsung and TSMC cant create exact same processor since they use different transistor size (samsung use 14nm FinFet, and TSMC use 16nm)

26. TylerGrunter

Posts: 1544; Member since: Feb 16, 2012

Even I agree they'll go 100% Samsung with 14nm FinFet they could still go for one in the A9 and other in the A9X. Just as a possibility.

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