PhoneArena Awards 2012: Best Innovation

9. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 03 Dec 2012, 12:45 16 1

Why not praise SS after so many wonderful goodies they brought to the market?

10. androidsbiggestfan posted on 03 Dec 2012, 12:46 1 2

100% agree, Google Now should have been #1!!! No question!

60. darac posted on 03 Dec 2012, 16:03 3 0

Smart dock is nothing new really.
Sony made "Live dock" almost a year ago.. it doesn't have as many USB ports but it is much sleeker and far better looking :)

I agree with this chart

96. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 03 Dec 2012, 18:59 0 0

I agree that this dock is not of its kind, but I picked it for its implication.

This dock cannot be separated from JB and SS added features to the OS that make Smart dock the viable alternative to PC.

72. jroc74 posted on 03 Dec 2012, 17:17 0 0

I think that Samsung projector phone shoulda been one. A projector in a phone? To me that tops improved camera technology.

I would give a nod to Google Now too, I dont know about #1 tho.

100. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 03 Dec 2012, 19:03 0 0

Phone projector is quite cool, but the implication is very limited.

288. MC1123 posted on 06 Dec 2012, 21:41 0 0

your #1 isnt a real innovation..due to the fact that siri make it first! but google now is the best though!

#2 is exactly correct!!!

i dont know about #3 due to the fact that samsung just make some improvements...

but need to add the puremotion tech of nokia that is present in lumia 920!

305. CanYouSeeTheLight posted on 07 Dec 2012, 16:37 0 3

That Puremotion tech you Nokia fanboys like to rave about is just a gimick.

"There's also the higher than regular refresh rate, which should make scrolling text smoother than ever, though to be honest, we are yet to spot the real-life advantages of that." Straight from GSMArena's review.

21. Ohrules posted on 03 Dec 2012, 13:20 4 0

i'm gonna sue you for that.
#infected-by-apple-sue-flu

290. lolol posted on 06 Dec 2012, 22:43 1 0

Same!! As soon as i saw the innovation part, i thought to myself oh nokia is at the top :D

16. kickgolfer posted on 03 Dec 2012, 13:05 9 0

welcome to 2010, we're only going into 2013 now....

23. kartik4u98 posted on 03 Dec 2012, 13:23 5 0

What Apple innovated??
"Crystal SAPPHIRE LENS COVER" !!!!!!

25. Ohrules posted on 03 Dec 2012, 13:26 6 0

how about the stupidest ways to satisfy customers?
"you're holding it wrong"

26. kickgolfer posted on 03 Dec 2012, 13:26 13 0

iphone 5 would've been up there only if today was 2009

50. kirholstov posted on 03 Dec 2012, 14:35 0 0

It's not innovation. Laser projected keyboard - that's innovation

54. Commentator posted on 03 Dec 2012, 15:13 0 0

Eh, Asus has been doing that with the Transformer for a while (plus, their keyboards have batteries in them.) I do like the design of the Surface, and my next computer will probably be a Surface Pro, but there's not all that much that stands out about it.

176. jimjam posted on 04 Dec 2012, 14:13 0 0

Its a freaking cover that's what.

127. samystic posted on 03 Dec 2012, 22:34 0 8

so what is your definition of innovation?

samystic

164. joaolx posted on 04 Dec 2012, 10:23 1 0

Innovation for me is seeing something new that will impact that future, that's useful and not just an upgrade from something, in this case cameras. Like you said:
"BTW PhoneArena, as far as i remember even if it failed miserably, projector on Beam is evolution and NOT innovation"

188. samystic posted on 04 Dec 2012, 20:33 2 8

innovation is bringing something new to masses... evolution is upgrading existing things... that is layman's understanding of these terms... and since 808 not just has 41 MP sensor, it also has other technology which has been never used before... so yes it is an innovation

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210. kickgolfer posted on 05 Dec 2012, 10:06 7 1

This Sammy troll rocks the iphone.

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74. jroc74 posted on 03 Dec 2012, 17:22 3 4

If thats the case, you would agree with me that the Samsung projector phone shoulda been #1. To me improved camera technology is....meh. Thats called progress.

How many other phones have a built in projector?

75. chaoticrazor posted on 03 Dec 2012, 17:31 0 9

no the projector should be #2 the camera tech your saying meh too is years ahead of the competition.

76. jroc74 posted on 03 Dec 2012, 17:47 2 1

Again, what other phone has a built in projector? How many phones have cameras?

If we are talking about innovation, to me a very unique feature out weighs an improved feature. And PA said its done well in that Samsung phone.

Like how many ppl felt the Retina Display was sooo innovative. But when Android and Win Mo phones had higher screen res than the iPhone 3G, 3GS, it was no big deal. Thats not innovation, thats progress.

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79. chaoticrazor posted on 03 Dec 2012, 17:56 0 10

how many phones have loseless zoom and oversampling

just been unique isnt enough it has to be a leap forward aswell to be #1. pureview takes mobile camera's forward by a big way.

why are you pushing so hard for something samsung to be top, the projector never really caught on either its still in its infancy. and before anyone says it i would love a good projector phone but right now there not ready for the mainstream

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82. jroc74 posted on 03 Dec 2012, 18:04 6 1

Why am I pushing so hard? Its called an opinion. Why are you pushing hard for something Nokia to be top?

Its called an opinion.

And in my opinion.....the projector phone was a bigger leap than the camera technology in the Nokia phone. PA even mentioned it was done well. See, just because it didnt catch on doesnt mean it wasnt innovative. Popularity doesnt mean more or less innovative.

We just have different opinions of whats innovative.

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85. chaoticrazor posted on 03 Dec 2012, 18:12 0 9

''PA even mentioned it was done well''

well P.A said the 808 was more innovative, so why will you accept they said the projector was done well but wont accept the 808 is more innovative when they say

mainly though the 808 was something that pushed boundaries and set the bar for mobile camera's. it amazed alot of people too with the 41mp sensor

the projector phone is a great concept but needs more work to be what it undoubtably can be.

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103. jroc74 posted on 03 Dec 2012, 19:05 6 1

No, I cant accept it....because I dont think its more innovative than a projector in a phone....lol.

I agree with some of the article, not all of it.

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292. lolol posted on 06 Dec 2012, 22:53 1 1

lol jroc74 , who uses a projector more than a camera on a phone? you really havent used a pureview camera.. beam might be innovation for you, but i guess a majority loves a good camera like pureview.. even surveys show that 85% of smartphone users use the camera the most.

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309. jroc74 posted on 22 Dec 2012, 17:34 0 0

Again, not talking whats used the most. Just what I feel is more innovative. I feel a unique feature is more innovative than an improved one.

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312. chaoticrazor posted on 22 Dec 2012, 17:41 0 1

losless zoom, over sampling and almost noiseless photos not unique? the fact your phone can take full res 34 and 38mp photo's not unique? having a 41mp sensor on your phone not unique? the fact even with that big sensor its still not about the megapixel count its how it uses them.

been the best cameraphone and by miles not innovative enough? just accept what many others admit the 808 is innovation and will hopefully pave the way for even more advances in mobile camera tech (started with the 920 already). this isnt just a one off innovation its started a chain of what could be incredible mobile cameras

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313. jroc74 posted on 22 Dec 2012, 19:02 0 1

Thats all well n good....but its not more unique than a projector in a phone. Name another phone that has a projector in it. Now name another phone that has a camera in it.

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314. chaoticrazor posted on 22 Dec 2012, 23:00 0 1

yeah there are other projector phones, most been chinese unknown things but they exist.

Spice M9000 Popkorn
Micromax X40

theres 2 for you, so blows your unique argument out the water.

now you name another phone with lossless zoom, and oversampling. or another phone capable of taking full res 34-38mp photo's

i shall wait for your response lol

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315. jroc74 posted on 23 Dec 2012, 00:14 0 0

Camera vs projector:

Better camera specs...evolution

400x800 screen res vs 1080p screen res....evolution

single core cpu vs dual core cpu...evolution

Projector....unique.

We are never gonna see eye to eye on this...

You are speaking of improved specs.. . Those phones you listed....have never heard of them. And most ppl havent. The specs you listed for the camera.....never in a phone....but in cameras.

Unique. I will stick to the projector shoulda been #1 vs improved camera specs.

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319. chaoticrazor posted on 23 Dec 2012, 08:00 0 1

ok now your just ignoring the fact i proved your precious projector phone isnt unique and been a petty crying fanboy

the fact you still think its unique shows you never read my comment, instead you just thumbed me down and repeated yourself. you havent answered anything put to you

one more time slowly for your little mind

lossless zoom on a phone-unique
oversampling on a phone- unique
able to take 34-38mp full res photo's on a phone- unique

a 41mp sensor on a phone-unique and still pretty unbelievable

this is beyond evolution, its unique and as you seem to think unique is key then ive proved the pureview is number 1 on the list and rightly so

now your projector phone

here are 2 other projector phones:

Spice M9000 Popkorn
Micromax X40

so your precious phone isnt unique

are you getting it now?

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322. jroc74 posted on 23 Dec 2012, 11:41 0 0

1080p screen in TV's.... now in phones.....screens were 400x800 in phones.....innovation or evolution

Improved camera tech in cameras.... now in phones.....innovation or evolution.

Single core, dual core, quad core in PC's...now in phones...phones had single core now are up to quad core....innovation or evolution.

Whatever you feel is innovation...you will always pick that.Thats fine.

Projector in a phone.....innovation or evolution. I even gave you a legitimate reason why we dont agree on this....and you dont accept that and you opinion just has to be right and resort to name calling...classic.

If it wil make you feel better, the projector isnt innovative and PureView is. Happy now? BTW....fanboys resort to name calling....in case you didnt know.

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323. jroc74 posted on 23 Dec 2012, 12:06 0 1

What I'm about to do is show you why someone might not agree with this....please pay attention. (I wasnt gonna stoop to your level of name calling and condescending....but whatever, dont care now. Do you even know what condescending means....probably not. )

"one more time slowly for your little mind

lossless zoom on a phone-unique
oversampling on a phone- unique
able to take 34-38mp full res photo's on a phone- unique

a 41mp sensor on a phone-unique and still pretty unbelievable

this is beyond evolution, its unique and as you seem to think unique is key then ive proved the pureview is number 1 on the list and rightly so"

Now watch what happens when someone doesnt agree with this.....slowly for you....

Lossless zoom.....but wasnt...zoom....already in camera phones? A great majority of them? So...introduce lossless and now all of a sudden its a great thing? If thats what you feel, so be it.

Oversampling.....isnt that like a camera feature....like zoom, grey scale, white balance, mega pixel size, etc. You obviously didnt read my post that mentioned that.

Take a higher resolution picture on a phone and better camera lense...wasnt this done thru the years? On lots of phones? Did it get better from the beginning of phones, smartphones, yes or no?

Thats why I call all that evolution, not innovation. Just my opinion, no need for name calling.

Projector on a phone......you mention 2 obscure phones. Samsung did it right. Thats why I call that innovation.

Learn to understand....ppl that dont agree with you arent fanboys. For the umpteenth time...slowely....I...dont ....even ......like ....Samsung ....phones...Talking strictly about whats more innovative. You feel its the Nokia camera, I feel its the projector in a phone. We can agree to disagree. But you have some very fanboyish ways....look in the mirror before salling someone lese a fanboy or troll.

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324. jroc74 posted on 23 Dec 2012, 12:18 0 1

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/03/innovation-or-hype-ars-examines-nokias-41-megapixel-smartphone-camerainnovation-or-hype-ars-examines-nokias-41-megapixel-smartphone-camera/

Please read this article and especially the comment sections. I'm not the only one who feels this way. Its called ....an....opinion.....

Key comment:

BottledCello wrote:
Quote:
we believe all camera makers should consider oversampling as an integral part of future camera designs

Um, Isn't that what most camera makers already do when you select a lower-than-max resolution?

To the best of my knowledge, more or less. What they don't do is design around the idea of capturing at a lower-than-max resolution as the *default use case*.

THIS is why I call it evolution.....and not innovation.

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316. jroc74 posted on 23 Dec 2012, 00:21 0 1

You are speaking about improved specs...I'm speaking of an entire spec all its own. Zoom exists in camera phones, losses didnt. Oversampling.....might as well lump that in with white balance, cropping, grey scale, etc.

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317. jroc74 posted on 23 Dec 2012, 00:27 0 1

I think whats happening....you must value the camera features in a phone. Or you may choose/not choose a phone based on the camera. I dont. The camera is the least used feature on my phones.

If thats the case.....this will be a never ending argument.

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318. jroc74 posted on 23 Dec 2012, 00:45 0 0

Like I said....do we say single core vs dual core vs quad core is innovative vs a projector in a phone? Do we say 400x800 vs 1080p screen res is innovative vs a projector in a phone? You keep mentioning improved specs....I'm talking about an entire feature.

We have different ideas of whats innovative in this case. It is what it is.

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320. chaoticrazor posted on 23 Dec 2012, 08:04 0 1

mate last time as your so dense its unbelievable the projector phone isnt unique so it slams your whole point.

you really love the projector phone dont you, even android fans have admitted the 808 wins this. your a seriously bad fanboy if you can just accept it. you cant even put a reasonable case together for your point its just senseless dribble

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321. jroc74 posted on 23 Dec 2012, 11:20 0 1

Dude....stop labeling everybody a fanboy because they dont agree with you. The more you post....the more fanboyish you look.

You ignore why I think you say the camera in the Nokia is best innovation and why I think the projector is best innovation. I have never used either.....its all opinion.

Yours will never change, mine will never change. I dont have to be a fanboy becuse I dont agree with you. Learn what an actual debate is....then we can talk.

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325. chaoticrazor posted on 23 Dec 2012, 12:22 0 1

ok lets end you for good as your just as dense as usual

first the innovation ''debate'' that you couldnt hold up in and failed at bringing real basis to your comments. your whole underlining point was its unique. i proved there were other phones that do the same and you ignored this and repeated yourself. you basically then spat your dummy out as you were proved wrong and now are trying to pull something back. your very transparent.

second you never stated it as your opinion instead you flooded the comment section stating it was fact the projector phone is more an innovation. if you do this be prepared to be questioned and debated. cant handle it dont state obvious nonsense. in the end i basically showed why the 808 won and your projector phone did not (apart from the fact it was the first). you just couldnt admit you were wrong to say about it been unique. you just ignored the parts that proved you wrong....thats what fanboys do

so when you can have a real debate and not throw your dummy out when you are proved wrong please come back with something that has a real basis. until then how about you try and be open minded and give credit where its due

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328. jroc74 posted on 23 Dec 2012, 14:38 0 0

You fail to acknoledge why I thin the projector is..... more ........unique.....

I have....constantly......stated it was my opinion....what the hell are ytou reading, or not reading???

I see what this is.....you live to be right in the internet....lol. Wow...

Have a good day.....I dont indulge fanboys. And right on cue....the name calling and talking down. You win...happy now? I bet you didnt even read that Ars article I posted...lol.

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329. chaoticrazor posted on 23 Dec 2012, 15:50 0 1

No you keep on moving the goal posts, since I proved its not unique your now saying more unique lol tragic mate

Your the fan boy and a real bad one at that. And there's no win, did you see this as a competition sad .

You still haven't answered anything I put to you. Have a good one try to learn how to answer what's asked of you next time

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330. jroc74 posted on 23 Dec 2012, 16:26 0 1

I said you win, you should be happy.

You win, you win, you win, give it a rest aleady. Nokia's camera is the best innovation of all time....projectors in a phone suck. You are not a fanboy, you are the best person in the world. You proved me wrong, you proved everything right.

See? This is called moving on. You win...this is my cue to unfollow from this article....and I know in the future whenever I see you post....what to do.....

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331. jroc74 posted on 23 Dec 2012, 16:35 0 1

For the record...I did answer your questions....you are just turning a blind eye to what I posted....thats what fanboys do. I even gave you evidence why ppl would think the Nokia camera isnt all that innovative vs a projector in a phone.

We will never agree on this matter.....but I'm a fanboy because I dont agree with you. .. WOW .You are either real young.....or need to learn what a debate, opinion is.

I ...never...called you names....never talked down to you until you did. You are a seriously delusional fanboy. But I know how to handle folks like you. I see why you are acting the way you are now....you have that Nokia phone.....lol I never had that Samsung projector phone. Now....whose the fanboy....lol.

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