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LG might sue Qualcomm if it exclusively modifies the Snapdragon 810 chipset for Samsung

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LG might sue Qualcomm if it exclusively modifies the Snapdragon 810 chipset for Samsung
The amount of rumors surrounding the Snapdragon 810 and the over-heating issues that it allegedly has are quickly becoming worthy of an old-time Scandinavian saga. As a refresher: a month or so ago, rumors claimed that Qualcomm's 64-bit Snapdragon 810 is causing overheating issues, which were to blame for an eventual delay of the Samsung Galaxy S6, LG G4, HTC One (M9), etc. However, this did not prevent LG and Xiaomi from unveiling two devices powered by the same chipset, the G Flex 2 and the Mi Note Pro

What's more, LG recently claimed that the Snapdragon 810 is not overheating whatsoever, on the contrary - the manufacturer claimed that it's one of the least heat-inducing chipsets currently available on the market. Still, yet another recent speculation claimed that Qualcomm might fine-tune the Snapdragon exclusively for Samsung, one of its biggest customers, so that the upcoming Galaxy S6 and the rumored Galaxy S Edge don't overheat.

Well, in regard to this exact rumor, it is now speculated that if this turns out to be the case and Qualcomm really modifies the chip so it suits Samsung's needs better, then LG might sue the Snapdragon 810 maker. The reason is that such a belated improvement of the chipset will confirm the rumors that the chipset has had multiple issues that Qualcomm was aware of, which can potentially trigger a slew of legal disputes. 

Not that Samsung would be on a dead-end road - after all, it's perfectly capable of developing smartphone chipsets on its own and if some recent rumors are to be believed, Samsung might be gearing for "war" with Qualcomm


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posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:43 14

1. Neros (Posts: 1016; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)


Even if modded, it still doesn't stand a chance against exynos. Poor LG.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:45 3

11. zachki17 (Posts: 261; Member since: 14 Sep 2014)


Lg has her own Home Nuclun processor made by lg .. It octa core 1.5 Quad core and 1.7 quad core the poor is you .

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:17 16

20. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


It's an ARMv7 based cortex a7 + a15 combo and stands no chance against these monsters

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:22 15

23. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Nuclun is not ready, nor competitive yet.

This is a true fanboy above is my guess

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 16:32 1

42. cheetah2k (Posts: 1579; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


Nuclun is s**ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt​ttt.. And LG know it.

I can't see how modifying the 810 for "suppliers needs" violates anything against LG. To me it seems Samsung has worked out the issues with the 810, and this could be a positive for all who use the 810.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 16:58

46. engineer-1701d (unregistered)


No flagship phone with a 1.5 or 1.7 CPU would sell

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 17:13

49. zachki17 (Posts: 261; Member since: 14 Sep 2014)


Its an octa core -_- 8 core

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 09:50

53. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3724; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


If you really think that clock speed is the deciding factor in how good a chip set is, you truly know nothing about tech. Change your name. It's completely ironic.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:46 4

2. DeusExCellula (Posts: 1115; Member since: 05 Oct 2014)


Well this should be interesting

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:49 8

3. vincelongman (Posts: 4445; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


I can see LG point of view
But they shouldn't have accept Qualcomm's chip if it was overheating
They should have demanded Qualcomm to fix it too

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:10 2

6. mostafawael.1998 (Posts: 240; Member since: 01 Oct 2014)


yes. LG should have insisted on fixing the overheating issues, not just using a bugged chip and suit itself ...

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:48 2

30. nokia12 (Posts: 486; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)


its not easy for LG and xiaomi

they likely figured that every other OEM will be using same SD 810 so every phone will likely overheat the same..

and to avoid any delay in bringing phone to market ( samsung can afford delays)
they both went ahead and used it in their phones in order to have an early sales and advertisement advantage over competitors..'

samsung can do that because they have a ready exynos to fall back on

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 16:34

43. cheetah2k (Posts: 1579; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


Samsung definitely in the box seat on this one. Whats the worst case for them - Exynos. Is Exynos bad - h3ll no, its an awesome chipset and Qualcomm know it.

The losses Qualcomm could face with Samsung abandoning their chipsets could be excessive.. not to mention a slip in share price and other handset manufacturers questioning the use of the chip...

We may see more manufacturers choosing the Exynos chipset in the future if Qualcomm continue to drop the ball.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 08:48

34. JumpinJackROMFlash (Posts: 450; Member since: 10 Dec 2014)


They don't have the Exynos as a fallback threat.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 16:36

44. cheetah2k (Posts: 1579; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


LG could always go to Mediatek.. Its not a bad chipset TBH

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:55 7

4. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1134; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)


Boycott Qualcomm, crapdragon gonna crap

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 18:33

51. iWin_Droid (Posts: 76; Member since: 22 Jan 2015)


Your dearly Xiaomi products run on Qualcomm's chipsets ;)

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 18:59

52. sorcio46 (Posts: 435; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


Stay with your anti-modding SoC like Exynos! I'll go with Qualcomm all the way!

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:58 8

5. leotrim (Posts: 21; Member since: 01 Oct 2014)


Samsung will start new age with is Samsung Exynos 7420 a 14nm chip

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 16:36

45. cheetah2k (Posts: 1579; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


I so hope so. Samsung have spent up big to make Exynos a Snapdragon killr

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:22 5

7. SuperNova (banned) (Posts: 649; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)


Oh no! LG, Samsung is our brother. The real enemies are Apple and Chinese makers.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:46

12. GeorgeDao123 (Posts: 431; Member since: 20 Aug 2013)


Well said.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:51 4

17. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2185; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


These are companies, not humans, and they are competitors to boot. Each and every one would like nothing better than to take out each other, not just Apple. The Android ecosystem isn't comprised of a bunch of buddies, only the fanboys are.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 08:07 2

32. willard12 (Posts: 1693; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Almost

http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-and-HTC-join-forces-with-Google-all-now-backing-Samsung-in-its-patent-brawl-with-Apple_id64539

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 12:17

56. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3724; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


Give me a break. The only reason the other companies are jumping into it is because they know that they could all be affected if Apple wins that suit. It would set a precedent that Apple can do whatever it wants in the court world. You can believe that if that was not the case, they wouldn't care. When that suit is over it will be business like usual.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:30

25. seven7dust (unregistered)


not really LG is Samsungs biggest competitor , ever notice how LG is finally profitable in their phone division , but now samsung lost profit as a direct result.
all the years before 2012/13 samsung was riding high but LG was failing.

LG can never compete with high end smartphones made by Apple, the company's brand value is too inferior , but they can sure as hell compete with samsung and take money from the phone divisions.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:43

29. Kruze (Posts: 1285; Member since: 30 Dec 2014)


How is that relevant? This is all about unfair. Qualcomm is UNFAIR.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 09:06 3

35. SuperNova (banned) (Posts: 649; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)


Unfair? I'll tell you what is unfair. Being the biggest patent troll ever, Apple was backed by US court Judge Koh and robbed hard-earned money from Samsung, is it called fair?

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:36

8. rd_nest (Posts: 1593; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


"yet it's somewhat unlikely that it will succeed to produce such large volumes of its Exynos silicons..."

That's a weird statement, specially considering Samsung have their own manufacturing plant and have recently invested a great deal in that once again. On the contrary, as A8 is being manufactured by TSMC now, Samsung foundries will have more chance of producing Exynos if required.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:44

9. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 903; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


But why Exynos is still exclusive to Samsung and Meizu?

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:00

18. elitewolverine (Posts: 5184; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


cost and just like how ibm chips were exclusive

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:38

27. rd_nest (Posts: 1593; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


Simple, ask LG or HTC. They think taking the processor from their competitor isn't good!

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:45 6

10. Plasticsh1t (Posts: 470; Member since: 01 Sep 2014)


Partially it's LG's fault. They shouldn't accept the SD 810 after knowing there are issues with it.
Snapdragon screwed big time with the 810!!

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:47

14. zachki17 (Posts: 261; Member since: 14 Sep 2014)


Sd810 has problemes with Quad HD phone Not Full Hd the G flex Works fine with Sd810 and perform a lot better is a beast

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:18

21. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


No one could get crap to run it as it was neutered from running benches on only Flex2 that had 810 in it, so how can you tell us it performs better?

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 10:12

38. alex3run (Posts: 713; Member since: 18 May 2014)


They didn't have any other choices.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 13:24

40. Niva. (Posts: 423; Member since: 05 Jan 2015)


They couldn't use an SD 805 for the Flex 2?

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:47 1

13. GeorgeDao123 (Posts: 431; Member since: 20 Aug 2013)


So why didn't LG think of request Qcom modified chips before making G Flex 2? LG is ridiculous this time.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:48

15. zachki17 (Posts: 261; Member since: 14 Sep 2014)


Sd810 works fine with Poled Full Hd but for G4 and S6 they will come with Quad HD so that the problems

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:21

22. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Lg was going to try an let this slide an push a buggered product onto its own customers.

LG sucks as of right now!

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:30

24. Macready (Posts: 965; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


Hardly. Best G Flex 2 results in Geekbench are in the 4580 range, where the Exynos 7420 tested up to 5480.

But the alarm bells go off when you look at the major spread in results of the G Flex 2. Ranging from 1820 to 4582, with an average just above 3500 out of 260 tests. That's less than 10% above average 805 level in the Note 4. This hints at a lot of throttling.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:50

16. zachki17 (Posts: 261; Member since: 14 Sep 2014)


We shoulf never say lg fault or lg suck .. Because no LG = No tacticle Phone right now .. No iphone and not galaxy

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:39 1

28. rd_nest (Posts: 1593; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


^^ Dude, give it a rest already..

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 17:06

47. engineer-1701d (unregistered)


Go get yourself a tizen phone since you are in India

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:01 10

19. vuyonc (Posts: 1014; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)


Dun dun dun. The SD810 rumour drama continues. Tune in next week same time on the Chipset Channel .

Next episode on "Game of SoCs": House LG finally meet in court with House Qualcomm. Qualcomm, found guilty for tweaking, demands trial by combat. 2 champions will be put to the task. Only one company will survive. The Kingdom of ARM holds its breath!

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:51 2

31. PeterK. (Posts: 296; Member since: 13 Nov 2013)


Valar Snapdraghulis! Okay, we tried, at least!

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:32

26. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3718; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Samsung is one of QC's biggest clients and Galaxy S series is best selling devices if Sammy gets out then QC will face big loss.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 08:30

33. roentgen1108 (Posts: 12; Member since: 21 Jan 2015)


They will sue case against QC after they claim that 810 is still OK and it is the least heat inducing chipset yet the rumors are'nt true? Oh well how about that. Admit it that samsung is their more priority than LG.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 17:08

48. engineer-1701d (unregistered)


It's proven that the sic throttles power to stop over heating look at the benchmark tests
Lg jumped the gun to show of for ces

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 09:12

36. j2001m (Posts: 2943; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Not going to happen and this is why,
Samsung:your 810 cpu is crap and our cpu out scoure it.
qucrapcpu:no problmes mate we send you a 811 In March just in time. For 1$
Samsung:ok we sell them to China as they always buy crap

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 09:18

37. tokuzumi (Posts: 963; Member since: 27 Aug 2009)


If QC makes a slightly modified 810 for Samsung, and another version for everyone else, what's the issue? Assuming processing power is the same, and performance of the chip is within tolerances, it really shouldn't matter. If a customer was going to order millions of one chip, and they asked for a modification, I'd give it to them, since the costs to make the change would be spread out over millions of chips.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 12:54 1

39. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


Exynos, Qualcomm, Nvidia, Mediatek: Not going to be much difference between their SoC's in 6 months. Every single one of them are going to be using 4 x A57 and 4 x A53.

And all games are so far within the capabilities of all flagship GPU's; not any point on having the best GPU unless you're one of those people who thinks they can see pixels at 500 ppi, and drags their battery life and performance down with absurd device resolution.

If Snapdragon is having overheating issues only in Samsung devices: It likely means the thermal design of Samsung's future lineup is poorly designed. Which would jive with LG's claims that the 810 does not overheat for them.

It could easily be the kernel in use on Samsung devices as well. Or aggressive background processes, likely errors in the software causing heating.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 11:15 1

54. j2001m (Posts: 2943; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Sorry I am lost all the geekbenth scores show they overheat, it as nothing to do with Samsung design, they just saying we are not going to limit the phone and make it crap like lg and htc, I.e. Use a 2k screen will not work on the 810 to they get it fixed in the 811

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 14:35

41. mike2959 (Posts: 538; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)


Stupid lawsuit. A manufacturer can make a product better for a particular vendor if he chooses. Here we go again let's sue because everyone and everything has to be the same. LG just pissed because they settled for whatever, and Sammy say nope not gonna settle. Jack wagons.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 18:27

50. julian6.0 (Posts: 27; Member since: 29 Jan 2014)


i kind of get where LG is going qualcomm did say i did not over heat the manufacturer claimed that it's one of the least heat-inducing chipsets currently available on the market. why would they say this. so if they do modify then they are actually agreeing that there is a problem and they still didnt fix and let LG go ahead with the release. now LG feels left out they should sue cuz they should´ve fixed it first if it was overheating.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 11:17

55. j2001m (Posts: 2943; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Geekbenth scores show they all full of crap

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