Google selling Motorola makes sense because it gives Google more power over Android (and Samsung)
Rationally, it makes sense
The Samsung conspiracy
1. jphillips63 (Posts: 176; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Sounds like here it's a power play in who has the biggest set of balls.
16. nokia12 (Posts: 324; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
great article Michael..
this is how a partnership should be , equal and mutual benefits for both..
unlike Microsoft Nokia ..where 1 just rips off the other until its worthless and then grabs it for pennies..
37. blazee (Posts: 271; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
This is seriously disappointing. i have the moto x and i love it its a great device, but now without google behind it i feel like it wont be getting the same support. I recently just got it and i think im gonna now return it
2. BattleBrat (Posts: 1071; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Now I must turn to Sony, but they don't have anything for Verizon
Goodbye MOTO :-(
4. E.S.1 (Posts: 289; Member since: 14 Sep 2013)
You should consider LG G2. It's an awesome phone.
I used GS4 and HTC One but LG is so much better you will like it.
8. __0__ (banned) (Posts: 242; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)
The software is like touchwiz , bloaty and heavy on LG . I seriously dislike skins like LG UI and s**twiz .
Battlebrat should change to GSM carriers so he could bring in whatever he wants
11. BattleBrat (Posts: 1071; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I have a note 3 on t mo as well, I can confirm that the UI is horribly bloated, the RAZR is nearly as fast and its two years older
15. domfonusr (Posts: 369; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
If my LG Viper can run LG's UI half-decently, then the G2 should be downright smooth and buttery. Even if it isn't, don't worry... its Android, so you have options.
25. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
The G2 is insanely smooth. I haven't encountered any lag at all yet.
31. PBXtech (Posts: 980; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
On the G2 it runs insanely smooth. I find a lot of the features are extremely helpful as well. Coming from being a die hard Nexus fan, the G2 surprises me all the time.
3. darkkjedii (Posts: 11452; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Wow, sounds like trouble in paradise. I can't blame Samsung for pushing ahead with Tizen, but android propelled them into the lime light, from simple feature phones. If they do leave android, which means they'll become a huge and direct competitor, that won't be good google...stay tuned.
7. joey_sfb (Posts: 2931; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Well let just say they realize they need each other to continue to prosper.
Damn I do like the magazine ux interface. Can google work with flipboard to bring it to lollipop?
5. domfonusr (Posts: 369; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
I'm not entirely convinced. I read elsewhere that, of the 17,000 Motorola patents in Google's possession, they are willingly parting with 10,000 of them. That is a big chunk that they are losing by letting Moto go. Why are they giving up so many? Are those 10,000 not considered valuable? I wish I knew the answers to these questions. I'll be looking around for answers.
23. nokia12 (Posts: 324; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
as per verge only 2000 patents will be transfered while rest will be licenced...
these 2000 patents must be old hardware related.. that's why google not keeping them..
29. domfonusr (Posts: 369; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
Okay, I found the Verge article you cite:
I have also read elsewhere, and it is worth noting, that the Moto patent portfolio failed to get the money they demanded form Microsoft back in 2010, and failed to elicit an ITC decision that would have blocked imports of the iPhone more recently. Perhaps they are letting go of that clump of them because they were proven to be valueless in the mobile patent wars.
28. elitewolverine (Posts: 1616; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
My though would be that they bought Moto to do patent protection, they have since found that their portfolio is outdated and doesn't protect them much against the likes of Apple or other companies. They are spending more than they are worth in defending them. With samsungs patents Google can now chew more of those up in terms of usage without penalty.
What we may see is a google Samsung ui next year, that google will use as the new 'stock' interface and probably introduce it as lime 5.0 or whatever.
30. domfonusr (Posts: 369; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
Here's the problem with Samsung's patents: they get invalidated and beaten in many instances. I don't trust Samsung's patents to protect Google any more than they protect Samsung.
I really really hope that Google doesn't use any of Samsung's UI's for stock Android... that could prove to be disastrous.
40. Taters (Posts: 3032; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
They might get invalidated in the states but that's more because of stupid jurors and Apple being the United States super power more than the patents themselves.
They got ITC to ban iPhones but Obama stepped in. I wouldn't say they are bad at all.
54. domfonusr (Posts: 369; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
Yeah, but what good are patents if that keeps on happening over and over again? If the cronyism reigns supreme, and patents are invalidated on the whim of some power player who has already personally picked a winner, regardless of patents, then what good are those patents? Apple is clearly the 'chosen one' for the higher ups in a lot of these cases. Apple has become so strong of a poster child for US commerce that the President personally overturns ITC rulings to defend them. No patent can beat that. They're unbeatable because they have the favor of the right people.
6. ProblemSolver15 (Posts: 137; Member since: 14 Jun 2010)
Definitely a shake-up in the world of consumer electronics. This can either be very bad or very good for consumers because removing Motorola from the playing board can certainly mean no more Motorola devices on Verizon here in the States. I mean, who knows what Lenovo will do with the device department for Motorola. Guess we'll just have to see. I'm interested to see how how his will play out. They were a major manufacturer here in the US.
9. __0__ (banned) (Posts: 242; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)
Damn , even I am a note 3 user serisouly dislike samsung now . They so evil
10. pongkie (Posts: 502; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
I feel sorry for Lenovo all they got from this deal is a brand
24. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Google isn't losing 10,000 patents. Google already stated that they will keep the vast majority of Motos patents.
32. domfonusr (Posts: 369; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
Yep, just read that at the Verge thanks to nokia12.
2,000 patents. That's still a decent chunk.
33. elitewolverine (Posts: 1616; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
licensed not keep, meaning when that runs out google does not own the patents, Lenovo will. This is to ensure Lenovo doesn't get crazy and allows google time to use the patents with free of fear. And also some leverage. In the end though license and owning are two different things. Unless I misread the article, in that way, my bad.
34. domfonusr (Posts: 369; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
Well, first I read:
where the 10,000 figure was cited from China Daily. Then I read the article from the Verge (cited above in comment #29), where they say that 2,000 patents are being sold (transferred) while the rest are being licensed out to Lenovo (without any reference to them being transferred upon the end of the licensing term). I read that as Google keeping 15,000 of their Motorola-sourced patents, which they will license to Lenovo until the end of term, or until further notice for all I know. Otherwise, I know very little, and I am asking questions with the hope that I'll find out what is really going on from the folks who have found the sources that I haven't yet found.
12. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 867; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
Lenovo took IBM PC division and look at them now I think Lenovo, and Motorola may turn a few heads in the future.
14. BattleBrat (Posts: 1071; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I must admit they did wonders for their PC division, one of the worlds largest if memory serves. But the new think pads don't have that IBM "soul" and I fear the new motos won't either, I thought the moto X wasn't a true moto till I saw the 4G radio comparison where it buried the competition, then I knew the Moto X was a true moto, strong radios and all. We will see if moto keeps its "soul"
17. 14545 (Posts: 1112; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
So will this mean no more inexpensive phones from MOTO, and back to the super expensive flagships? BTW MH, how's your screen on time on the X?
18. Sniggly (Posts: 7050; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I've decided to sit back and watch this one. I still don't like the deal one bit, but there does seem to be some business logic behind the move.
I'm pleased to see that Ara, at least, is staying with Google. Perhaps it'll be the next evolution of the Nexus line?
19. nctx77 (Posts: 522; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)
The bottom line is that Google doesn't make phones, they make android. I have also heard that the Nexus devices will end in 2015 to focus on Google play devices. The Moto x will now be basically a Lenovo phone.
21. Taters (Posts: 3032; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
I really doubt that Samsung really cares about doing Nexus devices. They are probably their least successful products. The Nexus 10 is brilliant but it didn't sell much.
38. Adrian38 (Posts: 128; Member since: 05 Nov 2012)
The Nexus devices are incredibly successful. They are among some of the most desired devices on the market. You have to remember that the Nexus line of devices were never meant to sell millions and millions of devices. Google stated that from the start.
57. Jillxz (Posts: 147; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)
But not successful to the mainstream of consumers.
22. xperiaDROID (limited) (Posts: 5494; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
All I can say that Google is a irresponsible company, buy Motorola and make few phones then sell it off to Lenovo because of Samsung. Samsung is a evil company, really. Samsung may be the one who will kill the Nexus line as well.
But oh well, good luck to Motorola and Lenovo. Hope they can work together and make more awesome phones in the future
35. alltechinside (Posts: 241; Member since: 21 Apr 2013)
Lol saying samsung is evil with no evidence to back up.... Did you seriously even read the article? Besides, there is no way Google can somehow sell it to Lenovo over a short span (after the agreement between samsung and google). google was probably thinking of selling motorola beforehand. They even made sure not to sell patents and project ara.
But yes, I'm unhappy to see motorola go bye bye. Moto X was an interesting product and I was interested in using one...
Not sure whether Lenovo's influence is going to be good or not.... it's just disappointing though.. I think we will be seeing lenovo skins soon enough :(
46. Commentator (Posts: 2423; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Uh, they kill kittens and steal candy from little boys and girls. What more evidence do you want?
Anyways, I don't get why everyone's so hostile towards Samsung over this. Google was going to sell Moto regardless, and if they weren't, Samsung would have every right to be irritated with them. Samsung certainly didn't kill Moto. In fact, I expect Motorola to be far more successful under Lenovo than under Google, whose forte clearly isn't running hardware companies.
I see Google as the villain here, (apparently) strong-arming Samsung into ditching Magazine UX, which I think was a pretty neat development into Android.
49. wolfsaviorzx (unregistered)
Main reason everyone is so hostile towards samsung, is samsung doesn't care about android and would abandon it in a minute if people would switch over to Tizen. If you notice how Samsung has become like Apple in blocking 3rd Party accessories and preventing competition from using theirs.
53. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2189; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Is that right?
People only see what they want to see.
58. Jillxz (Posts: 147; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)
I'm glad Google did . We don't need a windows lookung phone in Android. If you love that UI so much , go to Windows .
42. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2024; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
Samsung may also be the one to kill Android all together.
59. Jillxz (Posts: 147; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)
yep . I think that is quite possible. I really dislike samsung a lot and I don't wish it well at all. Sorry . it's just another Apple.
26. glentomas123 (Posts: 70; Member since: 01 Jun 2011)
Google acquired Moto for ownership of its IP portfolio. That got what they wanted.
27. navi13 (Posts: 2; Member since: 29 Jan 2014)
..this makes me feel sad..i've always been a motofanatic since my first motorola phone..the C380, then my E398, next was my SLVR L7i, and my ROKR Z6w which i couldn't use already because it's battery was already dead..but hey, still functional!
i really love motorola phones! i wish i could be able to have a moto x or even a moto g (dual sim version).
36. fireblade (Posts: 700; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)
Noooo.... Chinese company is gonna destroy it.
41. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2024; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
It does make sense since Samsung is slowly slipping away from Google and trying to create an ecosystem of its own. Now, after selling Motorola, Google can try to control Android (and Samsung) a little bit more. Samsung is a bigger threat to Android (and Google) than any other OS in the world.
44. networkdood (Posts: 6267; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Google makes money from the sales of Android devices through ads, and is not seeking to control Android, as it cannot, unless it were to make it a closed ecosystem, such as Apple's iOS. Any company can take Android and create its own flavor from it, as Amazon did.
50. wolfsaviorzx (unregistered)
Google controls Android (as they create the new verions). I don't think they really want Android to be the future though. If you look at Chrome OS, it's quite obvious they invested in Android to fight off Apple. Not because they see it as the final OS solution (both Android and IOS have serious design flaws that will kill each if changes aren't made eventually).
60. Jillxz (Posts: 147; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)
It just might be the other way around lol. Samsung might control Google.
43. networkdood (Posts: 6267; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Google did well with this deal - I had a Motorola phone - disappointed that its bootloader was never unlocked...swore never to purchase another Motorola smartphone as they are mostly just a bunch of mid range phones...
45. networkdood (Posts: 6267; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Rather own an LG, Samsung, Asus, Sony product than a Motorola product and millions of people around the world think the same - Motorola must change people's minds on its offerings and the stuff that came out since the Droid RAZR was just marginally ok, although, I did love my DROID RAZR and the look and feel of the device.
47. kaikuheadhunterz (Posts: 724; Member since: 18 Jul 2013)
It's a pity that Motorola's new devices didn't come to Southeast Asia
48. Altair (Posts: 325; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
BB blocked Lenovo because of a real security issues. Now Lenovo can make even bigger and better strike in form of Motorola. It is now Chinese based company (which has close relationship with Chinese communist goverment) that holds hand over the heart of Motorola and its users. Wondering why USA lets this happen, while Canada didin't?
61. Jillxz (Posts: 147; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)
American greed . The greediest country of them all.
62. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2189; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Please show me your proof of Lenovo's close relationship with the Chinese communist government. Don't be the guy who makes up conspiracy theories when you can't back it up. That just makes you a liar.
51. aksa123 (Posts: 212; Member since: 30 Jan 2014)
With this, I hope motorola will enter asian markets. And drop the price :)
52. boosook (Posts: 1009; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
About the Samsung deal, that's exactly what I thought. Add the rumors that from 2015 Samsung won't sell Windows notebooks anymore but only Chromebooks, that it will release its own version of smart glasses and that Google will ditch the Nexus line and we have a well defined scenario: Google and Samsung made a deal. Google gave Samsung its patents and promised not to make hardware anymore (both directly and via Motorola), Samsung promised not to drop Android in favor of Tizen and maybe also to favor Android versus Windows. And Motorola was the victim to sacrifice.